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kevcube

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WOW. any USB drive will be slow.

If you change your boot up drive to an external drive GO SSD or M.2 and external enclosure.

You should have one. to dual boot. or emergency boot drive when your Mac fails.

you're describing a usb drive.

even if the M.2 enclosure can read at high speeds, it's still bottlenecked by usb-c speeds.
 

orionquest

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Mar 16, 2022
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The Great White North
I'm so glad I can keep running Mojave and don't need to be forced into the newest OS. But then again I would never choose to be on the current OS if I could. It's a year of beta testing until the next greatest release and the beta test starts over again. Productivity is good without the hassles of constant patches, bugs, and workarounds.

I wish Apple would drop yearly release's and focus on improvement patches. But this wouldn't fit with pushing people forward in the sake of "progress" or "innovation".
 

Matty_TypeR

macrumors 6502a
Oct 1, 2016
641
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UK
Mac OS should be aloud to mature like snow leopard did, why do they need to release a new OS every dam year!

I still think Mojave was the last good OS, for a start its half the size of the new ones, and people used to criticise Microsoft for the likes of vista! for being bloatware yet Win 10 and win 11 are no wear near the size of the bloated new OSX.

I'm sure Apple do it to force upgrades of hardware just to use the new OSX variant.
 

playtech1

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Oct 10, 2014
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Mojave and Big Sur were both decent updates, but have to concur with the views expressed that Monterey and iOS 15 are just bad. Minimal improvements, plenty of regressions and way too many bugs.

I am really hoping that the next iterations of both OSs focus on stability and building on the half-baked features introduced by prior years' versions. I am not hopeful.

I do however remind myself that Windows is in very a sorry state right now and Mac OS remains far preferable.
 

fisherking

macrumors G4
Jul 16, 2010
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ny somewhere
My hope is to see this thread bloat up to hundreds of pages and then I will personally forward it to Tim Cook and Craig Federighi.
I emailed both of them in the past, ready to do that again.
you should have done that with every previous OS (and you will need to that with every coming OS). complaining about the current OS is a macrumors forum tradition, and so much of this is simply the 2022 version of the complaints about previous OS versions.

while i agree that there are always issues (and worth discussing, and getting help with those issues), and i realize that bugs are a given at any time... i'd rather get help when i need it, offer help when i can, and use my macs to work, live... and get on with it.

but, for those who need to do it; whine away. whining always fixes everything... :rolleyes:
 

mxrider88

macrumors 6502a
Mar 8, 2019
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you should have done that with every previous OS (and you will need to that with every coming OS). complaining about the current OS is a macrumors forum tradition, and so much of this is simply the 2022 version of the complaints about previous OS versions.

while i agree that there are always issues (and worth discussing, and getting help with those issues), and i realize that bugs are a given at any time... i'd rather get help when i need it, offer help when i can, and use my macs to work, live... and get on with it.

but, for those who need to do it; whine away. whining always fixes everything... :rolleyes:

If you can’t see the ridiculousness of having the most advanced operating system in the world not being able to sync with iCloud Drive (any it has been an issue for a good 8 months now), I think this conversation is not for you my friend.
 

fisherking

macrumors G4
Jul 16, 2010
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ny somewhere
If you can’t see the ridiculousness of having the most advanced operating system in the world not being able to sync with iCloud Drive (any it has been an issue for a good 8 months now), I think this conversation is not for you my friend.
are you saying that everyone has this issue? and it's been going on for 8 months? because no one i work with has mentioned it...

as always, i'm sorry some people are so offended by a point-of-view that isn't the same as theirs. i enjoy these conversations, and i enjoy sharing my opinion, and will continue to do so.
 
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Zdigital2015

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Jul 14, 2015
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I did it. running Catalina on multiple Intel Macs and Loving it! especially on older Mac mini's but also my i9 27" iMac

I do keep external SSD drives around with Monterey so I can run the latest versions of Final Cut Pro and Logic that require Monterey.
I’m running a mix of High Sierra, Catalina, Big Sur and Monterrey. Big Sur is fine for most of my Macs now, Monterrey should have been a Snow Leopard polish for Big Sur, but Apple really dropped the ball. I won’t revert to Big Sur, but I won’t be updating for a while after the next version of macOS is introduced in less than a month.

Still having issues with Bluetooth waking up my M1 MacBook Pro for no good reason.
 

TracerAnalog

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Nov 7, 2012
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It’s difficult to assess how many people experience serious bugs. In my personal experience I only had some minor bugs since the 20+ years of using Macs and various OS-es. I re-install everything fresh every so many years, which help me clean out old configs and obsolete plugins, and I’m a relative happy MacOS user.

Most problems I’ve had was with iPhoto and iMusic libraries, that has always been an… adventure 😅
 
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exoticSpice

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It seems that Apple is on a tick tock movement.

Catalina - Bad
Big Sur - Good
Monterey - Bad
Next 2022 OS - Good?

well this guy seems to be enjoying macOS for the most part, after all it is MUCH less buggier than Windows 11.
 

mxrider88

macrumors 6502a
Mar 8, 2019
812
1,009
Sydney, AU
It’s not even just macOS it’s the whole “ecosystem”.

AirPods aren’t doing the automatic switch.

Apple Watch doesn’t unlock the mac after doing a fast user switching.

iCloud Drive doesn’t sync so you risk that the person you share a folder with, updates a file that wasn’t synced to the latest version and overwrites it, making it a total joke and impossible to rely on, if not for sharing some dog videos instagram style maybe.

Continuity and handoff are a total mess, after a fast user switching they basically stop working. Problem present since Yosemite was released and partially fixed this year after over 120 mail exchanged with an apple engineer. Partially!

HomeKit is a mess. Ask Siri to turn on a light and it turns it off, devices not responding, scenes not setting because devices go offline and so on.

Siri doesn’t recognise a voice all in a sudden while two minutes earlier it was ok.

Airdrop fails if you let the screen turn off while transferring. So if you transfer a long video you need to make sure you keep tapping on the screen on both phones to avoid failure.

iMessage same, if you record a voice message and the display turns off the recording stops. It improved a bit after I busted their balls for two months, now at least it keeps the recording, it used to get deleted.

Personal hotspot often doesn’t see that your phone is in proximity and you need to open the iPhone settings to wake it again.

You listen to something on AirPods, your partner puts on another pair of AirPods and the audio gets directed there, as if a person could put on 2 sets of AirPods together.

Mac runs out of battery and shuts down like if you pulled the plug on a desktop. Nothing gets saved, all lost.

Random reboots while in sleep mode overnight on MBA M1.

HomePod volume fluctuating for no reason.

HomePod not reacting to hey Siri sporadically.

HomePod not able to play playlists that I created and saved in my library saying they don’t exist.

Initiating directions from Apple Watch fails to reroute. Useless device.

The UI to text on Apple Watch is so bloated that it is just easier to get the phone also to text OK.

Apple TV interface running at like 15 fps.

Switch user on Apple TV and you still see the photo library of the main user. What do you create two users for?

Apple fitness often doesn’t detect Apple Watch while using it on Apple TV. Need to reboot tv, watch and iPhone, takes longer to start a workout that doing it. Tried a full reset of Watch and tv, after a week I had the same issue.

iPhone with dual sim configuration still doesn’t let you turn off incoming calls for one sim only. You can turn off the line and then lose the data connection too.



I could go on for three days..
 
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fisherking

macrumors G4
Jul 16, 2010
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ny somewhere
It’s not even just macOS it’s the whole “ecosystem”.

AirPods aren’t doing the automatic switch.

Apple Watch doesn’t unlock the mac after doing a fast user switching.

iCloud Drive doesn’t sync so you risk that the person you share a folder with updates a file that wasn’t synced to the latest version and overwrites it, making it a total joke and impossible to rally on, if not for sharing some dog videos instagram style maybe.

Continuity and handoff are a total mess, after a fast user switching they basically stop working. Problem present since Yosemite was released and partially fixed this year after over 120 mail exchanged with an apple engineer.

HomeKit is a mess. Ask Siri to turn on a light and it turns it off, devices not responding, scenes not setting because devices go offline and so on.

Siri doesn’t recognise a voice all in a sudden while two minutes later it was ok.

Airdrop fails if you let the screen turn off while transferring. So if you transfer a king video you need to make sure you keep tapping on the screen on both phones to avoid failure.

iMessage same, if you record a voice message and the display turns off the recording stops. It improved a bit after I busted their balls for two months, now at least it keeps the recording, it used to get deleted.

Personal hotspot often doesn’t see that your phone is in proximity and you need to open the iPhone settings to wake it again.

You listen to something on AirPods, your partner puts on another pair of AirPods and the audio gets directed there, as if a person could put on 2 sets of AirPods together.



I could go on for three days..
you know that these are not issues everyone is having. you could post on this very forum, and ask for help, instead of just listing the things that are problematic for you.

the forum is mostly a useful, informative, interesting place. then another 'the current OS sucks' post pops up, and people rush in, to add to the whine.

i don't get it (but i guess i don't have to).

post your issues. ask for help. call apple. hire a tech person. fix things, don't just complain. just my suggestions...
 

frou

macrumors 65816
Mar 14, 2009
1,391
2,001
you know that these are not issues everyone is having. you could post on this very forum, and ask for help, instead of just listing the things that are problematic for you.

the forum is mostly a useful, informative, interesting place. then another 'the current OS sucks' post pops up, and people rush in, to add to the whine.

i don't get it (but i guess i don't have to).

post your issues. ask for help. call apple. hire a tech person. fix things, don't just complain. just my suggestions...
You seem to be obsessed with your own observation that contact with bugs varies and can be subjective. So much so that you post endless rephrasings of it for months. It's a fair comment but not as ground-breakingly interesting as you seem to think it is!!
 

fisherking

macrumors G4
Jul 16, 2010
11,251
5,561
ny somewhere
You seem to be obsessed with your own observation that contact with bugs varies and can be subjective. So much so that you post endless rephrasings of it for months. It's a fair comment but not as ground-breakingly interesting as you seem to think it is!!
how is that any different from your own posts? and prove me wrong. for example, pick an issue, and let's count how many people it's affecting on this forum.

if it's a lot, i'd say it's a bug. if it's 3 people, it's an issue. either way, am all for fixes; whether they need to come from apple, or a third-party, or the enduser.

your post, above, adds nothing to the conversation. so, just to be clear, that's ok? hmmmmmm

EDIT: hopefully, this post, and your post, get deleted from this thread, since we're both way off topic...
 
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AltecX

macrumors 6502a
Oct 28, 2016
550
1,391
Philly
It seems that Apple is on a tick tock movement.

Catalina - Bad
Big Sur - Good
Monterey - Bad
Next 2022 OS - Good?

well this guy seems to be enjoying macOS for the most part, after all it is MUCH less buggier than Windows 11.
Not in my experience. I use Win 11 on my work machine, Surface Pro and gaming Desktop. I'm not a fan of some of the changes in 11 but have had a much smother, less buggy experience than I have with Mac at the moment.

I can honestly say the last time I have had this much issue with an OS was Vista.
 

exoticSpice

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Jan 9, 2022
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Not in my experience. I use Win 11 on my work machine, Surface Pro and gaming Desktop. I'm not a fan of some of the changes in 11 but have inghad a much smother, less buggy experience than I have with Mac at the moment.

I can honestly say the last time I have had this much issue with an OS was Vista.
For me windows 11 is the opposite. It's a mess. The taskbar and file Explorer being the worst. The taskbar restarts itself and sometimes when click the icons it's slow to open the app. The Explorer is buggy and also not as fast as Win 10.
The wifi,battery,sound button is leggy and sometimes misses click, like it does not register.
The whole desktop sometimes flickers, never had this problem in 10.

Here's the thing Monterey is great for ME, just like how Windows 11 is great for you.
The last macOS that was bad for was Catalina it did not run well on my Mac.
 
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StudioMacs

macrumors 65816
Apr 7, 2022
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It’s not even just macOS it’s the whole “ecosystem”.

AirPods aren’t doing the automatic switch.

Apple Watch doesn’t unlock the mac after doing a fast user switching.

iCloud Drive doesn’t sync so you risk that the person you share a folder with, updates a file that wasn’t synced to the latest version and overwrites it, making it a total joke and impossible to rely on, if not for sharing some dog videos instagram style maybe.

Continuity and handoff are a total mess, after a fast user switching they basically stop working. Problem present since Yosemite was released and partially fixed this year after over 120 mail exchanged with an apple engineer. Partially!

HomeKit is a mess. Ask Siri to turn on a light and it turns it off, devices not responding, scenes not setting because devices go offline and so on.

Siri doesn’t recognise a voice all in a sudden while two minutes earlier it was ok.

Airdrop fails if you let the screen turn off while transferring. So if you transfer a long video you need to make sure you keep tapping on the screen on both phones to avoid failure.

iMessage same, if you record a voice message and the display turns off the recording stops. It improved a bit after I busted their balls for two months, now at least it keeps the recording, it used to get deleted.

Personal hotspot often doesn’t see that your phone is in proximity and you need to open the iPhone settings to wake it again.

You listen to something on AirPods, your partner puts on another pair of AirPods and the audio gets directed there, as if a person could put on 2 sets of AirPods together.

Mac runs out of battery and shuts down like if you pulled the plug on a desktop. Nothing gets saved, all lost.

Random reboots while in sleep mode overnight on MBA M1.

HomePod volume fluctuating for no reason.

HomePod not reacting to hey Siri sporadically.

HomePod not able to play playlists that I created and saved in my library saying they don’t exist.

Initiating directions from Apple Watch fails to reroute. Useless device.

The UI to text on Apple Watch is so bloated that it is just easier to get the phone also to text OK.

Apple TV interface running at like 15 fps.

Switch user on Apple TV and you still see the photo library of the main user. What do you create two users for?

Apple fitness often doesn’t detect Apple Watch while using it on Apple TV. Need to reboot tv, watch and iPhone, takes longer to start a workout that doing it. Tried a full reset of Watch and tv, after a week I had the same issue.

iPhone with dual sim configuration still doesn’t let you turn off incoming calls for one sim only. You can turn off the line and then lose the data connection too.



I could go on for three days..
I have problems from time to time, but I certainly wouldn’t brag about my ineptitude.
 
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lysingur

macrumors 6502a
Dec 30, 2013
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FWIW 2019 Mac Pro shipped with Catalina with no possibility to downgrade to Mojave since it did not contain the needed drivers for hardware. Catalina was a dumpster fire of an OS, with roughly half the updates introducing really annoying problems, and the other half, kinda, sorta, mostly okay.

Big Sur has given me no real issues, but running with 28 cores & 384GB RAM so it can waste resources in peace and I don't really notice.

Apple's OS quality has walked off a cliff, but, on the flipside, nobody has stopped buying it, they just had their best Q in history despite supply-chain problems and WW III starting, and their stock has done nothing but print money for me. Apple's stock used in lieu of a bank still results in $1 of purchasing power, being worth roughly $1 a year later, and then some, vs. the fiat currency of $USD which is worth less and less every month, so... Apple actually has very little reason to fix problems or pay attention to their software quality, because people just keep buying the hardware anyway.

As a user of their products: not thrilled, its become something I just tolerate. The hardware keeps improving at a very rapid pace... their software keeps getting more and more unstable, while adding little of value other than endless dumb features, while the core OS falls apart/doesn't ever get fixed, and the complexity just keeps growing. Remaining on a legacy install is only viable for 2 years, before security patches stop coming, at which point it's probably a very poor idea to expose your computer to anything except your own network.

As a shareholder: very happy with the company.

Therefore: nothing is likely to change, because people keep buying it.
Just to echo what you're saying. Most people buy Macs to do very mundane tasks, e.g., browsing the web, watching videos, sending emails, organizing their photos. As long as their products can perform these tasks without hiccups, Apple has no incentive to change. The only strategy is to stick with a stable release, i.e., macOS from the previous year, and ride it out for as long as you can.

On the flip side of this, most people hardly ever use more than 10% of the new features that are introduced in a new macOS. There is really no reason for consumers to upgrade every year. This is not just Apple's problem. This is a problem with people conditioned to want the latest despite not having a need for it whatsoever.

To your point on "legacy install": people just have to stick with a stable release for as long as Apple is supporting it and then upgrade when absolutely necessary, i.e., every two years. Security updates are not 100% safe either. I have had a security update of Big Sur rendering my Bootcamp partition unbootable. If a security update can mess with your computer to this level, imagine how much damage a new release can do.

There is a family member who's still rocking a mid-2011 iMac after I upgraded the HDD with an SSD and it was more than sufficient. It can even run Windows 10 via Parallels Desktop at a very decent speed. Apple doesn't care if your workflow deviates from what they perceive as normal usage.
 

ChildOfTheWW

macrumors member
Nov 7, 2014
36
18
Sorry for hijacking:
On Monterey my Macbook Pro is starting to add more and more instances of the same activity over time (until a restart kills them). Its not like a specific app which bloats up, but many many small activities. My last reboot was 4 days ago, and i have:
5x cfprefsd
18x com.apple.audio.SandboxHelper
4x com.apple.geod
6x containermanagerd
17x distnoted
67x MTLCompilerService
7x PlugInLibraryService
6x trustd
16x VTEncoderXPCService
and it goes on and on... many more with 2-3 instances.

Does anyone else experience this? After a few days my expensive Base 16" m1 Pro is acting like the 8GB M1 Air.
 
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