I know a lot of "Pro Users" who used DiskUtility.app to create a Raid Volume on their cMP, that would have no idea what the Terminal was.
Also, the DiskUtility.app can't create fusion drives, another oversight.
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I know a lot of "Pro Users" who used DiskUtility.app to create a Raid Volume on their cMP, that would have no idea what the Terminal was.
Also, the DiskUtility.app can't create fusion drives, another oversight.
if they don't kmow how to open terminal it's very strange theiy also need an Raid on cMP.
when you format the main storage on an Mac with fusion or install an new disk, the fusion with the SSD is automatically done since once the OS recognizes it and isn't the boot disk (meaning is not an storage ssd) it automatically will use it to cache data.
If you want to creat an aditional fusion drive, sorry you are on you own, apple only sells mac with an single fusion drive, get an Seagate HybridDrive
I never found it strange, before OS X the Mac OS never had a command line built in, most of us came form those days. We like the GUI.
I did not know that, makes more sense now.
I'm sorry, but I don't believe that you have any idea what you are typing about.
The PCIE drives are the very same ones used as main drives in other Macs.
The only people who believe they are special "fusion" Tm drives are Apple and their squad of apologists.
Same interface, same connector same drives.
Please try to pull your head out if the Apple PR manual, you'll find a whole new world of functional computers.
Sorry you can have the same interface but ssd used for caching use either an specific controller and different combinations of flash (MLC, TLC, SLC), so not every SSD is similar, and those intended for caching are managed different, do not using it rigth may wear it prematurely.
http://www.computerweekly.com/feature/MLC-vs-SLC-Which-flash-SSD-is-right-for-you
Supossedly you own a mini late 14, it has two storage interface one pcie for SSD and one SATA for an spinner HDD or another unsupported SSD on sata/2.5" format.
You can't raid among an Pcie SSD and an SATA SSD, you need both same arrangement interface and controller (you can't also raid ssd if both ssd comes from different vendors).
Can you raid two Thunderbolt drives daisy chained, if they are the same drives in the same enclosures?
Not sure, maybe not because they are Daisy chained but on different channels are possible (you have 2 channels on a Thunderbolt cable if no dvi signal is being transmitted, you should assign channel 1 to drive 1 and channel 2 to drive 2) on the same channel it's very difficult will it work.
A quick look and I didn't see any single drive enclosures that weren't bus powered, most multi-drive setups come with some type of raid. Is it bootable raid like OS X raid, I don't know.
Very good... Here's another...
"... evidently Ringo is an educated man, now I really hate him!"
Good I had to Google it, Tombstone...
This is another favorite mine as the movie :
"... And the Sea Will Grant Each Man New Hope, As Sleep Brings Dreams of Home"
Sean Connery as Marco Ramius quoting Christopher Columbus - "Red October" with a skinny Alec Baldwin. Great movie.
See, we CAN agree on things!
Did you know the movie was imprecise on this quote, the actual quote from Colon said "the sea will give every man a hope as sleep brings dreams" the movie writers added "dreams of home" to make it more poetic, most colon phrases comes from his letters to the spanish crown, you only need to read a bit on Spanish.
Edit: this phrase somebody wrote at IMDB not belong to Colon and actually was wrote for the movie, not rigth since the phrase use to Decor the Spanish Crown Ships and is painted at the main corridor of the F105 "Cristobal Colón" flagship of the Spanish Army.
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And they can still do that from the install media shipped with their Mac.
Customers aren't expected to be doing that, given that any mac shipped with that as an option is pre-set up from the factory and the user doesn't need to do anything.
IF reconfiguration is required, it can be done via the terminal, script, etc.
You guys are just looking for problems rather than solutions. You've already decided that Apple's new platforms suck and are inventing scenarios that are exceedingly rare in the real world to try and promote that.
En vino veritas!
Last one from me... and a real cult flick...
"Don't be mean. Cause, remember, no matter where you go... there you are."
"My name is Saul Tigh. I'm an officer in the Colonial Fleet. Whatever else I am, whatever else it means, that's the man I want to be. And if I die today, that's the man I'll be."
ok not as iconic as the other ones but an good one
This is baloney and you know it.
Supossedly you own a mini late 14, it has two storage interface one pcie for SSD and one SATA for an spinner HDD or another unsupported SSD on sata/2.5" format.
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Supossedly, you know what you are typing about. When did an SSD SATA drive placed in a Mini become an "unsupported SSD"? Sounds like Apple talking, not an independent forum member. Maybe you should register as a vendor if you are speaking for a corporation that doesn't "support" putting a better drive in a Mini?
Aren't I allowed to put whatever drives I want in a machine I own? Or just "supported" ones?
I mean, you just remove a few screws and you can add a PCIE SSD and replace the HDD with an SSD. Anyone with a brain knows buying drives from Apple is a rip-off. Right?
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There are no similarities between a Seagate SSHD and Apple's Fusion drives - completely different animals, with different attributes and behavior.
The SSHD is for all intensive porpoises a simple spinner, just faster. The SSD cache is a read-only cache that's invisible to the OS. The OS sees the drive as the size of the spinner, the drive hardware duplicates frequently referenced blocks so that they are on both the spinning platter and the small SSD cache.
"Fusion" drives are a software concatenation where the logical drive is the size of the spinner *plus* the size of the SSD, and the OS spends time moving stuff around to try to optimize file placement. Blocks moved to the SSD are deleted from the spinner.
Where do you come up with these ideas?
Software RAID on most systems doesn't care how the block device is attached, and certainly doesn't check the vendor ID to determine if it can be put into a RAID volume. Drives in a RAID array don't even need to be the same size.
Hardware RAID almost by definition cannot support different attachments, but it doesn't care about the size or type (spinner vs SSD) of drive. (HPE ProLiant RAID controllers support both SAS and SATA drives, and RAID arrays of both SAS and SATA drives - but an array must be all SAS or all SATA, not mixed.)
Please read OSX Support Series by Peachtip.
About RAID on different interface/media:
When you build an raid even if there is no validation from the system you must be aware that your volume consistency is compromised as long the 1 second write time delay is exceed, then osx will unmount your raid and crash the volume or at least put the raid on hold/rebuild state.
If the volumes used for raid are on different interface / media speed, long writes to the slower media will delay writes to the faster media building cached data if the case the block being written is big enough for this cache to delay it write more than a second the raid consistency will be compromised and then the raid will be considered invalid, assuming the OS put it on hold and not crash you'll have to wait until the raid recovers consistency, on large transfers means thousands of consistency events, eventually this not only degrades the system performance but add wear to the SSD.
You can put whatever you want on your Mac, unsupported means you cannot cry at Apple support for help in case something fails, period.
To clarify my position:
I do declare:
To date I'm not Apple employee, or own Apple stocks or an Apple associated or rival corporation.
I do not sell Apple related hardware upgrades or peripherals, neither rival alternatives.
Only business I do on hardware is to periodically sell my older stuff on eBay.
....
Can you declare the same?
Wow, instead of admitting that you don't know anything about the subject at hand you're doubling down on the corporate blather from Cupertino.
Consider yourself proven (thoroughly) wrong.
Sorry it took so long but we hit some serious snow on way down from Big Bear.
The PCIE SSD on Mini is on...wait for it...the SATA bus, at least as far as Mini knows.
So all of your BS just got tossed out the window.
As far as Mini knows I have 2 (TWO) SATA drives inside the machine. (supposedly, right?)
If you wish to continue calling me a liar, please go to the Mini section of this very forum where I participated in advising people how to avoid the Apple BS ("fusion"...ha,ha) limit and add REAL Dual Drive support (the thing you said doesn't exist) to their 2014 Minis, MONTHS AGO.
Would be great if you tried just a little harder to post correct facts instead of the Apple Corporate fluff, more helpful to end users. People come here for helpful factual info, not echoes from Apple.
My 500GB SATA SSD has a Windows and OS X partition, the PCIE SSD is Windows only. I would show a shot RAIDing them but, as mentioned a few times before, El Cap won't let me in Disk Utility.
I will accept an apology for the "supposedly" reference before. It was a LONG drive down that mountain.
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Unlike 99.9% of posters here, everyone knows who I am and what I do. No hidden agendas. I'm not here posting Apple BS and pretending to be a helpful citizen.
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Seldom used by you perhaps. Apparently no pros use RAID. New fact.
Nirvana should sue for copyright infringement. All apologies...
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Here's a fun fact. You don't need any of the above to be an apologist. And that's one to grow on...
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Oh, another reason "Pros" might want to think for themselves and unfuse the drives is that Windows will NOT use the SSD at all. So adding Bootcamp will have a reasonable OS X experience but Windows on a 5,400 rpm 2.5" SATA drive.
So Beachball City.
For real Windows performance you need to put in real drives and think for yourself.
Or keep it all stock, suffer through HOURS of "Loading" animations just so Apple will be nice when you call the help desk. (You must be EXTREMELY patient for this option)
Read and LEARN
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-pcie-flex-cable-part-number-for-mac-mini-2014.1807145/
On the BAD NEWS side, you will need a Torx Security bit set to install the PCIE drive.
On the GOOD NEWS front, these are "the most user friendly standard screws available" so you are doubtlessly doing all of your home and auto repairs with them already.
So Beachball City.
For real Windows performance you need to put in real drives and think for yourself.
Or keep it all stock, suffer through HOURS of "Loading" animations just so Apple will be nice when you call the help desk. (You must be EXTREMELY patient for this option)
Read and LEARN
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-pcie-flex-cable-part-number-for-mac-mini-2014.1807145/
On the BAD NEWS side, you will need a Torx Security bit set to install the PCIE drive.
On the GOOD NEWS front, these are "the most user friendly standard screws available" so you are doubtlessly doing all of your home and auto repairs with them already.
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Pcie SSD Are identified as an SATA device for driver compatibility, but not actually an SATA peripheral, neither on the same physical bus.
The difference on the PCIE SSD and the SATA SSD is on the link speed.
PCIE ssd is linked to two PCIE 2 lines at 5GT each for a total 8 Gbps output ( GT/s not the same as Gbps), while the SATA ssd is linked to an SATA bus at SATA III speed or 6Gbps as you can read on your photos.
The info tool also is very explicit on the physical Interconnect apart, clear stand PCIE for Apple SSD and SATA FOR YOUR Intel Sata SSD
Do an speed test on your pcie ssd and on your SATA ssd, you'll see a notorious difference of about 2Gbps.
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