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Um, where in that page does it state "Data plans only"? It is just SHOWING the new exclusive data plans for the iPhone that are not offered for any other ATT approved device, it's NOT showing the other plans that ATT already offers. I think people are misreading what Apple/ATT is attempting to show.

Seriously, read it:

All iPhone service plans include [...] unlimited data — Internet and email — so you only have to decide how many minutes and SMS text messages you need. You’ll select your plan when you activate your iPhone using iTunes on your computer.

What part of the bold sentence don't you understand??? All iPhone plans include unlimited data, hence you HAVE TO get a $20 upgrade anyway you slice it ! And anyway you slice it, it's a great deal !
 
SMS, MMS, & E-mail

For all the people who need to text more but do not wish to pay the extra $20.00 for unlimited texting, here is a way that should help you work around the issue. Below are listed the various e-mail addresses for each individual network phone; in the 'TO' field of your e-mail use the following:

T-Mobile: phonenumber@tmomail.net
Virgin Mobile: phonenumber@vmobl.com
Cingular: phonenumber@cingularme.com
ATT: phonenumber@mms.att.net
Sprint: phonenumber@messaging.sprintpcs.com
Verizon: phonenumber@vtext.com
Nextel: phonenumber@messaging.nextel.com
Alltel: phonenumber@message.alltel.com
SunCom: phonenumber@tms.suncom.com
VoiceStream: phonenumber@voicestream.net

I am sure you will be able to store these numbers as part of your contacts in order to use them within your e-mails for future use, it definitely should not constitute as a big problem. It would be interesting to see if these work for MMS as well...
 
For all the people who need to text more but do not wish to pay the extra $20.00 for unlimited texting, here is a way that should help you work around the issue. Below are listed the various e-mail addresses for each individual network phone; in the 'TO' field of your e-mail use the following:

T-Mobile: phonenumber@tmomail.net
Virgin Mobile: phonenumber@vmobl.com
Cingular: phonenumber@cingularme.com
ATT: phonenumber@mms.att.net
Sprint: phonenumber@messaging.sprintpcs.com
Verizon: phonenumber@vtext.com
Nextel: phonenumber@messaging.nextel.com
Alltel: phonenumber@message.alltel.com
SunCom: phonenumber@tms.suncom.com
VoiceStream: phonenumber@voicestream.net

I am sure you will be able to store these numbers as part of your contacts in order to use them within your e-mails for future use, it definitely should not constitute as a big problem. It would be interesting to see if these work for MMS as well...

You can just send an email to their phone number@teleflip.com and it does it for you, regardless of their provider.
 
There are a couple of things that I haven't seen or heard anyone really talk about since it unveiled at MacWorld: (1) are subscribers still receiving a Yahoo! IMAP Mail push account and (2) how does Safari know if you are clicking on a link or trying to zoom in or out?

I believe the Yahoo accounts are free. Double tap to zoom, and single tap to click a link (I presume).

It looks like you can transfer a mobile number to the iPhone, but what about a land line?
 
No Mms Or Video Rec.

I think that the iphone is going to rock and i am getting for sure, but the only bad thing about it i think is the fact that you can't send mms messages?? or record video ?? :( that is the only thing that i dont like about the phone
 
Plan Confusion

"Customers with existing AT&T accounts will have the option of keeping their existing phone number and upgrading their account to work with iPhone. See separate iPhone Service Plan press release for further details."

then...

"...iPhone customers can easily choose the plan that’s right for them based on the amount of voice minutes they plan to use each month. In addition, iPhone customers can choose from any of AT&T’s standard service plans."

That should clear things up.

The iPhone plans are just suggested packages for the phone. You can really get any plan you want. They look like a good deal, but really if you add $8.33 per month ($200 divided by 24 months), they make up for the missing new-contract subsidy.

68.33 - 39.95 (450 minutes) = 23.39 (data) + 4.99 (200 texts)

Bottom line: if you get one of those plans as a new customer, you will save the $200 or so bucks you would have gotten off of any other new phone just by picking one of those suggested plans. In this way, it's not that exotic but you will take advantage of some sort of subsidy.
 
I really do wish he'd mention the VERY VERY easy work around for the mms messages...

There shouldn't have to be work arounds...:rolleyes: Especially when its as amazing a piece of hardware as it is....not to mention the cost.

MMS messages are standard, and its sometehing EVERYONE with a cellphone has grown acustomed to. Having to work around it is silly.
 
People read what they want to hear

I think it's funny how we hear over and over that *key* functions are sub-par, yet it doesn't seem to bother people willing to pay $600 for the cellphone/ipod/communication device:

- the phone sound quality is average
- the network is slow (a minute or more to load a typical web page)
- the keyboard is awkward to use
- the battery is dead after 300 charges
- 8GB RAM (not exactly the best ipod ever created, sure the interface is important, but so is storage capacity, especially with video)

I'm excited about this product. It looks great and has some exceptional features. I think it'll transform the industry, making the competition create better phones and perhaps lowering plan pricing. Things can only get better (including the iPhone).

However, letting the hype blind you isn't good. Stay informed and be objective, before spending your hard earned money.
 
USA Today: Edward Baig
- No voice recognition or voice dialing
I thought as much. I still maintain that Apple missed a perfect opportunity for the use of it's virtual buttons on the touch screen. I would think Apple would have realized that being able to place your most important contacts right on the main screen of the phone would have been a no brainer. Having the ability to simply place a picture on the main screen for each of your four most used contacts and being able to click on it to make a call would have been an obvious use of the whole touch screen paradigm. Instead you get a YouTube app. WTF?? Seriously, I think Apple really dropped the ball on this feature.
 
I think it's funny how we hear over and over that *key* functions are sub-par, yet it doesn't seem to bother people willing to pay $600 for the cellphone/ipod/communication device:

- the phone sound quality is average
- the network is slow (a minute or more to load a typical web page)
- the keyboard is awkward to use
- the battery is dead after 300 charges
- 8GB RAM (not exactly the best ipod ever created, sure the interface is important, but so is storage capacity, especially with video)

I'm excited about this product. It looks great and has some exceptional features. I think it'll transform the industry, making the competition create better phones and perhaps lowering plan pricing. Things can only get better (including the iPhone).

However, letting the hype blind you isn't good. Stay informed and be objective, before spending your hard earned money.

I do think they say once you get used to the keyboard it is not awkward anymore...it takes some time getting used to, but so do some other smartphones. Also saying the battery is dead after 300 charges is a bit extreme. Also note that it is 300 cycles...not just charges, big differences. My iPod has been used for ever 3 years...still has a good battery, and I use that thing everyday:)
Also the best iPod doesnt have to have the most storage space. Take for example that the best selling iPods are the nanos I believe (correct me if im wrong) The UI for the iPod really makes it the best iPod ever, not the stoarge.
 
I think it's funny how we hear over and over that *key* functions are sub-par, yet it doesn't seem to bother people willing to pay $600 for the cellphone/ipod/communication device:

- the phone sound quality is average
- the network is slow (a minute or more to load a typical web page)
- the keyboard is awkward to use
- the battery is dead after 300 charges
- 8GB RAM (not exactly the best ipod ever created, sure the interface is important, but so is storage capacity, especially with video)

I'm excited about this product. It looks great and has some exceptional features. I think it'll transform the industry, making the competition create better phones and perhaps lowering plan pricing. Things can only get better (including the iPhone).

However, letting the hype blind you isn't good. Stay informed and be objective, before spending your hard earned money.

well, "good not great" is what I've heard about the call quality, which is different than "average. Keyboard has been alternatively listed as awkward and "just as good as a treo". The best selling iPod is 2 GB and most phones don't have near 8 GB. 3G coverage doesn't apply to everybody. So these negatives are open to interpretation and apply differently to different people.

I don't think people are blind to the features of the iPhone: no phone in history has been covered in as much detail.
 
Did anyone catch the reviews mention anything about being able to type in the horizontal orientation? It would be great if Apple incorporated this feature..
 
I do think they say once you get used to the keyboard it is not awkward anymore...

I hope that's the case. The Walt review seems a bit spoon-fed in places, and the keyboard comments felt like an instance of that.

Also saying the battery is dead after 300 charges is a bit extreme. Also note that it is 300 cycles...not just charges, big differences. My iPod has been used for ever 3 years...still has a good battery, and I use that thing everyday:)

Ok, I guess I don't understand the difference.

Also the best iPod doesnt have to have the most storage space. Take for example that the best selling iPods are the nanos I believe (correct me if im wrong) The UI for the iPod really makes it the best iPod ever, not the stoarge.

The UI is VERY important. I agree with that, hence the success of the iPod, but storage capacity is as well. 8GB may be fine for music (for most), but video? No, it falls way short there. The best iPod has 10x that.
 
there was a time not too many years ago when the first page of a site couldn't be more than 30K, now pages like cnn and the new york times are hitting the half a megabyte stage.

Neat!
Not had much a reason to comment on this topic on these pages (and not much to add :p ), but a majority of that growth in file size is NOT so much the rich media but the sloppy hack-job web "design" polluting our browsers.
<shakes fist>Oh, and Flash.</shakes fist>

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled iPhone bitching(s).
I personally think it a great device for a Rev A. And I'm most excited about where this is headed and what it means for Apple and it's user base.
I don't think Apple has forgotten the Mac. At all.
I think they just reinvented it™.
Only time will tell.
 
8GB may be fine for music (for most), but video? No, it falls way short there. The best iPod has 10x that.
The important thing to note is that no other phone has more than it. You cant compare it to a hard drive based iPod. The iPod isnt a phone.
 
This is all great news but trying to market a non-3G phone in Europe is going to fail miserably and I hope apple get their act together before launching the iPhone here.

I'm sure the phone will do ok in America though, you and your stone-age cellular networks :p
 
I think it's funny how we hear over and over that *key* functions are sub-par, yet it doesn't seem to bother people willing to pay $600 for the cellphone/ipod/communication device:

- the phone sound quality is average
- the network is slow (a minute or more to load a typical web page)
- the keyboard is awkward to use
- the battery is dead after 300 charges
- 8GB RAM (not exactly the best ipod ever created, sure the interface is important, but so is storage capacity, especially with video)
...

However, letting the hype blind you isn't good. Stay informed and be objective, before spending your hard earned money.

The sound quality and the slow network is not the fault of Apple. You can blame AT&T for those. The sound quality on my old SE phone is great in my home country, but as soon as I go to another country and use the SIM card from the local mobile phone company, the sound quality turned to crap and the signal was always weak.

Battery is "dead" after 300 charges? Where did you get this??? It was mentioned (by Pogue) that "Apple says that the battery starts to lose capacity after 300 or 400 charges." I think what he really meant is "cycles". Anyway, this is typical for any mobile li-ion battery. You actually lose capacity after the first cycle. Cycles are when the battery is fully discharged and charging it back to full capacity. With proper care and charging habits, your battery should last more than 18 months before you start to really notice a capacity issue.
 
This is all great news but trying to market a non-3G phone in Europe is going to fail miserably and I hope apple get their act together before launching the iPhone here.

I'm sure the phone will do ok in America though, you and your stone-age cellular networks :p

85% of phone sold in Europe in 2006 were not 3G. Did they fail miserably?
 
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