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You still haven't explained why jailbreaking isn't an alternative to Android. You seem to be ignoring that alternative.

You cant jailbreak and use the latest iOS version. So I dont think it is secure.
 
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So the recently released Pixel 5a is supported only until August 2024? Wow… And that’s OK in your eyes?

In three years time that expensive phone “Secure device” will become potentially insecure - and that’s what you base your rant on?

Meanwhile Apple currently support the iPhone 6s from SIX YEARS AGO with iOS 15.

Like I mentioned, Google phones lose a lot of value so you can get it for cheap. You might need to buy a new phone more often but still is cheaper and you get a more modern phone (screen, processor, camera, etc).
 
That’s a valid reason.

However, do remember that if you did get that Pixel 3, you will only have less than a year for support from CalyxOS. If you value privacy (and probably security) as well, you will be upgrading sooner. You would’ve gotten a better value if you bought the Pixel 4a instead (supported until August 2024).

I bought two Pixel 3. One was more than a year ago for $150 (eBay). The other recently at Swappa for $100. Both in pristine condition.

First one I put GrapheneOS as my secondary phone (it was limited since there was no PUSH notifications). The screen broke and I decided to buy a new one and install CalyxOS (with microG) and I can use it for my daily driver.

Im quite happy with the device.
 
My daughter tried to switch to android and came running back to Apple iPhone. She didn’t care how much she lost selling the android to come back.
 
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My daughter tried to switch to android and came running back to Apple iPhone. She didn’t care how much she lost selling the android to come back.
I like that Android gives you choices. There is more than one way to do something and more than one way to get there. The flip side, which I do not like, is that this often makes things disorganized chaos. There are no standards, although Google tries. Every manufacturer has the ability to make their own version and Google often abandons it's own standards between OS releases.

Finding things is frustrating, especially if stuff gets put in more than one place. It's all disorganized. Icons have no standards and Google can't seem to enforce that. I like Android…but these are just some of my problems with it.
 
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After being a huge fan of Apple since 2006 when I bought my first Apple product (a Macbook), I decided to switch. Moved from iPhone to Android and I sold my Macbook Pro and I'm learning how to use Linux (Fedora).

I'm not trying to incite hate. I'm just explaining the reasons I'm happy with the switch.

1 - Android is more private than iOS; I'm not talking about Google's Android. I'm using CalyxOS and it works great. Apple says what happens in your phone stays in your phone but we all know Tim Cook is full of crap.

2 - Android phones are cheaper; I'm not talking about crappy ones. You can get a Google Pixel 3 (in good condition) for less than $100. You'll only get an iPhone 7 for that price. Losing a lot of value is not good when you buy new but if you feel like switching to Android, $100 + 30min to install CalyxOS is easy.

3 - Android is way more configurable; You can sideload apps, have access to system files so you can copy files to and from the device, change the way the UI looks...

4 - Android is more private; I like how you can use a firewall to block apps from connecting to the internet...You dont need an iCloud account or Google's to use the phone, you have a kill-switch for the VPN (so it wont leak yourIP).

5 - Battery lasts a lot; I guess not having Google or Apple's tracking your phone in the background might help the device because the battery lasts more than a day using it. Of course, mileage might vary (GPS, ****ter all day...)

It takes time to find app replacements but you'll find if you have patience. I was able to find polished apps for my needs.



I might post another thread with Linux but so far my experience have been subpar because Mac laptops are way better than the competition (even in price).
I switched to iPhone from Android but some of them are the same LOL… I always used a Blackberry for Corporate use and never had to concern myself with Privacy or Security. I was forced to choose between Android and iOS so I chose Android (Samsung).

It was definitely more customizable and you had more control but I was shocked at the lack of interest in Security and Privacy. I guess I took it for granted with RIM and Blackberry over the years.

I knew about Samsung so it was a natural choice, I had bought Galaxy for other family members along with iPhone. I just found it was all designed for consumers with no regard to security… almost as if us hackers don’t exist!!

I had to customize everything just to use it in a public space. It was a lot of work, when I finally switched to iPhone I had to block all my Google trolling just to become secure again…

I would definitely be open to switch from one platform to the other but Google needs to sell to someone who puts Security 1st.
 
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I had to customize everything just to use it in a public space. It was a lot of work, when I finally switched to iPhone I had to block all my Google trolling just to become secure again…

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I am just curious, what/how did customize to make it usable in public space? I am switching from s9 to iphone but for other reasons then security. It's not like it starts listening on some ports when you connect it to the network is it? I never though about just trying to run a port scanner against my phone.
Or it just makes many weird connections to google services? Well that I would consider normal … and kind of acceptable…usually
 
Funny that no matter how many phones I have had I never even consider android
I started off with Android, first a Droid Incredible, then a Samsung S3, an HTC M8 and finally a Nexus 6. 4 phones in a 4.5 year period - jumping eqach time because of problems (the Incredible had a penchant for contiously rebooting for no good reason, the S3 decided one day to brick itself for an 8 month window, the M8 had issues were the touch screen would be intermittent while charging, and the Nexus 6 would reboot with an otherwise ‘full enough’ 95% battery the moment I’d put any strain on it such as Google Maps or Waze.

Then I jumped ship to Apple and got me an iPhone 7 plus bringing my 6 year Android experiment to a close.

That 1 Apple phone will have lasted 5 years - I’m finally upgrading to a 13 Pro tomorrow. And I’m still getting a $110 trade-in for my 7+.

In the 5 years I’ve had my iPhone 7+ I’ve had zero issues with it.
 
Then I jumped ship to Apple and got me an iPhone 7 plus bringing my 6 year Android experiment to a close.

That 1 Apple phone will have lasted 5 years - I’m finally upgrading to a 13 Pro tomorrow. And I’m still getting a $110 trade-in for my 7+.

In the 5 years I’ve had my iPhone 7+ I’ve had zero issues with it.
That's pretty good!

I took my iPhone 6s+ into Apple yesterday for a battery replacement. It's a launch weekend phone and this is the only service it's ever needed. Near perfect condition, passed all diags and tests. Apple's value…$40.

The battery was $49 plus tax, more than the value of the phone to Apple…so the genius was asking if I had AC+ (for a 6 year old phone, are you joking?!) or if I had considered upgrading. Well, I tapped my iPhone 11 PM sitting on the table and said I already had.

I get it though, the battery was worth more than the phone. But as I told him, my 6s+ is a secondary line and that's the phone I'd rather lose or break when out for a bike ride or doing something else - not my 11 Pro Max.

It'll be interesting to see just how many more years this battery replacement gives the phone.
 
That's pretty good!

I took my iPhone 6s+ into Apple yesterday for a battery replacement. It's a launch weekend phone and this is the only service it's ever needed. Near perfect condition, passed all diags and tests. Apple's value…$40.

The battery was $49 plus tax, more than the value of the phone to Apple…so the genius was asking if I had AC+ (for a 6 year old phone, are you joking?!) or if I had considered upgrading. Well, I tapped my iPhone 11 PM sitting on the table and said I already had.

I get it though, the battery was worth more than the phone. But as I told him, my 6s+ is a secondary line and that's the phone I'd rather lose or break when out for a bike ride or doing something else - not my 11 Pro Max.

It'll be interesting to see just how many more years this battery replacement gives the phone.
I did get a free battery replacement a goodly while ago when Apple were being all nice about it. I didn’t ask for it and I fully expected to pay but they said it was free. Who was I to say otherwise?
 
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I did get a free battery replacement a goodly while ago when Apple were being all nice about it. I didn’t ask for it and I fully expected to pay but they said it was free. Who was I to say otherwise?
I had a 6+ once and I cracked the screen. $80 replacement, but Apple had issues so they replaced the entire phone. I really liked the replacement. Unfortunately, a month and a half later I couldn't keep it because we switched carriers.

Really nice phone that one.
 
I use both. Unless we get another exploit, once my 11 Pro Max can no longer work as it does on iOS 13.3, I will be staying with Android. I will reconsider if they go back to the round edges, have Touch ID, and I can jailbreak again.
So you rather go with a less secure tech "touchid" than "faceid 3d" (Apples only)? A more open OS is also more vunerable.
 
So you rather go with a less secure tech "touchid" than "faceid"? A more open OS is also more vunerable.
OP did state that it was a different, more secure ROM that he's be going with. Unlike iDevice, you can flash different ROMs to non-Apple devices. Whether that ROM is more secure or not, IDK.
 
OP did state that it was a different, more secure ROM that he's be going with. Unlike iDevice, you can flash different ROMs to non-Apple devices. Whether that ROM is more secure or not, IDK.
With no warranty, and a code that anyone can program stuff into that could have an hidden agenda. I personally trust Apple over Android or any "secure" rom that people think it is. What is even more funny is that for Android users to even get near the security of iOS, they have to swap out the rom to a rom like he put on his device, and most users won't do that.
 
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Problem is, Android is ugly as sin and difficult to use. It’s an intrinsically poorer quality product.

I’d still take an iPhone 7 over a brand new Pixel or whatever
 
Problem is, Android is ugly as sin and difficult to use. It’s an intrinsically poorer quality product.

I’d still take an iPhone 7 over a brand new Pixel or whatever
On the left is my Google Pixel 3a XL with Android 12. On the right is my iPhone 11 Pro Max with iOS 15.1.

I don't think the Pixel/Android looks so bad. Nor is it difficult to use. Granted my 3a XL has a plastic back, whereas the non 'a' versions are metal and glass but my Pixel has done well in the year and a half I've had it. Good battery, no slowdowns, no issues.

I still prefer iOS, I'm just not spitting on Android. In the past I'd have agreed with you - but not now.

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I’ve owned so many android phones. So many. Easily a couple dozen, and all manufacturers of flagship - HTC, LG, Sony, Samsung, Google, One Plus…not to mention my BB’s and my all time favourite OS - my Palm Pre 1 and 3 and Palm Pixi (but of, that Oreo effect). I’ve custom rommed, I’ve sideloaded…

And I always returned to Apple. Always.

Good luck - but I was never as happy with my phones as I was with my iPhones. The only phones I never had an issue with was my iPhones.
 
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