Moved to Android

[webkit]

As has already been discussed, one of Apple's important advantages is that they offer OS and security updates a lot longer than typical Android smartphone OEMs. This is also a reason why Apple phones tend to hold their values better. Another reason they hold their value is because Android phones tend to be discounted more when new e.g., the latest (eight or so month old) OnePlus 9 Pro and Motorola Moto G100 are already each being offered for at least 25% off through the manufacturers. By comparison, the over year old iPhone 12 is discounted less than half that percentage.

Android and iOS (and associated phones) each have their differences, pros and cons, etc. Sometimes choosing one over the other simply comes down to budget, manufacturer and carrier incentives, etc.

 

[sjperformance]

I think if you go to car enthusiast forums, the flame wars are more fiery than here…

I disagree. I’m a forum guy for many years. Phones. Cars. Rolex watches. Macrumors arguably the worst forums today. A lot of dumb post and what not.

 

[ian87w]

I disagree. I’m a forum guy for many years. Phones. Cars. Rolex watches. Macrumors arguably the worst forums today. A lot of dumb post and what not.

Hmm, then I disagree. I also visit a ton of forums. In most general tech/Android forums, you cannot even have a conversation. Here, at least it’s possible. Dumb posts are inevitable on the internet, but I see more users inclined to help out here.

 

[Electrojake]

I'm an iOS guy that dabbles in Android. . .
My first Samsung phone was a Note 10+. That is where I learned about Samsung's beautiful hardware and Android's flexible OS... but shabby apps.

I have since upgraded to the Z-Fold3 with S-Pen.
It's a tad awkward to handle but the Samsung UI and Android OS have steadily improved making things rather tolerable for us out-of-the-box users 🙂, however, the Google Play Store & Galaxy App Store are still a junkyard compare to the iOS App Store.

My carry-phone and daily workhorse is an iPhone.
My tinker-toy (stay at home phone) is the Z Fold3.
I love em' both.
So my question is: Why do the iOS fanboys despise Samsung (and Android too)?

Is it really just a shallow Chevy vs. Ford mentality as was mentioned in an earlier post?

Food for thought. . .
https://nypost.com/2018/10/25/iphone-and-android-users-are-completely-different-people/

And a quote from the article. . .
"iPhone users are generally happier, more extroverted, more adventurous, and make more money than Android users, according to new research"
Regards,
-Jake-

 

[ian87w]

So my question is: Why do the iOS fanboys despise Samsung (and Android too)?

It goes both ways, and when I dig deeper, most of the haters only experience the old version of the platform. Eg. Samsung haters only experienced the old Touchwiz, while iOS haters only experience the old iOS versions. Both sides ignored any improvements that each platforms have done over the years.

It's worse in Android camp, where there are stock Android fanboys that just hate anything non-stock. These people literally bash Samsung every single time, despite OneUI having more features than stock. There's even MiUI fanboys. Everything have their fanboys... 😀

 

[Heat_Fan89]

It goes both ways, and when I dig deeper, most of the haters only experience the old version of the platform. Eg. Samsung haters only experienced the old Touchwiz, while iOS haters only experience the old iOS versions. Both sides ignored any improvements that each platforms have done over the years.

It's worse in Android camp, where there are stock Android fanboys that just hate anything non-stock. These people literally bash Samsung every single time, despite OneUI having more features than stock. There's even MiUI fanboys. Everything have their fanboys... 😀

I agree with that. I got my introduction with TouchWiz around 2011 when I bought a Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet. I think it was the tablet that got Apple to take Samsung to Court over copying the iPad. It’s kinda funny because back then I owned both that Galaxy Tab and an iPad 2 and iPad 3 and I could easily tell the iPad from the Galaxy Tab.

Yes TouchWiz was ground breaking in some ways. It launched Live Widget tiles which have been copied by both Apple and Microsoft starting with Windows 8.

Regarding stock Android, I read an article on Android Police and the writer made a really good point I was unaware of. There really is no such thing as Stock Android. As the writer mentioned, Stock Android is a basic no frills version of Android that has a minimal skin, if you can called it that. It’s kind of like comparing MS-DOS to Windows. Google puts a skin on what many believe to be Stock Android and it’s called, Pixel Launcher.

I’ve been using iOS since version 5 and have seen it grow. I have no problems with it. Some iOS users seem to say they don’t like Android because they find it’s layout counterintuitive. I find that some portions of iOS has gone in that direction as well. The bottom line is you learn or ask or do a search on the web to find the answer. After awhile they both become second nature.

I recently purchased a Galaxy Tab S7+ during Samsung’s BF deals and I very much like what Samsung has done with Android. It actually has a more logical placement of the UI and I find it easier to figure things out on my own. The only slight complaint I have about Samsung hardware/software is that the backwards button is on the opposite side of other Android devices. But that has also become a non factor with gesture system navigation.

Edit: regarding MIUI are you referring to Huawei’s EMUI skin? I like their skin a lot. I have owned two Huawei phones with the most recent the Honor 9X and I love their hardware and design of their phones. Great value.

 

[kaardowiq]

Both (Android 11/12 and iOS 15) are great operating systems. To be honest, they're almost more equal than ever before. We have gesture navigation in the same way on both systems, we have great ecosystems on both systems, we have great apps on both systems, we have much power on both systems.

For the regular user there isn't any significant difference between both systems. I think the things to bother are in detail. When it comes to special use cases the details may decide the chosen ecosystem and platform. Let me give you some examples for both platforms that aren't mentioned a lot.

Apple:
- Watch unlocks Mac (Desktop)
- Watch unlocks iPhone (e.g. waring a face mask)
- Calls and messages are forwarded to all devices (this comes handy when you're working on your Mac. For me this is often the case that I'm developing and in focus with music on AirPods, someone calls me and a shot notification appears on my Mac where I can answer or reject the call. When answering the call with a single hit on my keyboard, the music stops, and I can directly speak. No need to get out of the focus, watch for the caller on my phone, stop the music, take out my TWS, grabbing the mobile and answering the call. I love this!)
- Message forwarding on all devices with auto fill on all websites and apps for 2FA
- iCloud interaction for Photos/Videos when editing (so further importing on files needed, can directly access the media from the Library, no further manually upload/download of content)

To be honest, this are mostly features when running a full apple ecosystem including iPhone, Watch, Mac, as well as having a paid subscription of iCloud. Missing just a single thing may drop this where it comes back to the equality of both systems. If I would stick around with Linux or Windows as Desktop, most benefits would be lost.

Android:
- Independence of system upgrades (I like the method that core/system spaces can be updated without upgrading the whole OS. This comes very handy when you need to patch single things quickly where it can be delivered via the PlayStore instead of a whole firmware update)
- Easy sideload possibilities (that's the correct way)
- Things like DEX (I love Samsung DEX which makes a Fold to a mobile phone, tablet and a whole Desktop. In the past, I used this feature a lot.)
- Diversity of hardware (you are not limited to a single device, you can choose between so many devices that fits your needs in price, quality, hardware specs etc.)
- TBD: Finally working upcoming syncs between Android and ChromeOS (and Windows/Linux) to enable features like answering the call directly on my Desktop. Forwarding text messages (mostly for 2FA logins). Yes, there are workarounds to get this - and yes, they're workarounds. 😉

Back to my opening paragraph, I think both systems are more qual than ever before for the most and it only becomes relevant when you need full integration of all features which is more or less depending other devices you use.

 

[ian87w]

I agree with that. I got my introduction with TouchWiz around 2011 when I bought a Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet. I think it was the tablet that got Apple to take Samsung to Court over copying the iPad. It’s kinda funny because back then I owned both that Galaxy Tab and an iPad 2 and iPad 3 and I could easily tell the iPad from the Galaxy Tab.

Yes TouchWiz was ground breaking in some ways. It launched Live Widget tiles which have been copied by both Apple and Microsoft starting with Windows 8.

Regarding stock Android, I read an article on Android Police and the writer made a really good point I was unaware of. There really is no such thing as Stock Android. As the writer mentioned, Stock Android is a basic no frills version of Android that has a minimal skin, if you can called it that. It’s kind of like comparing MS-DOS to Windows. Google puts a skin on what many believe to be Stock Android and it’s called, Pixel Launcher.

I’ve been using iOS since version 5 and have seen it grow. I have no problems with it. Some iOS users seem to say they don’t like Android because they find it’s layout counterintuitive. I find that some portions of iOS has gone in that direction as well. The bottom line is you learn or ask or do a search on the web to find the answer. After awhile they both become second nature.

I recently purchased a Galaxy Tab S7+ during Samsung’s BF deals and I very much like what Samsung has done with Android. It actually has a more logical placement of the UI and I find it easier to figure things out on my own. The only slight complaint I have about Samsung hardware/software is that the backwards button is on the opposite side of other Android devices. But that has also become a non factor with gesture system navigation.

Edit: regarding MIUI are you referring to Huawei’s EMUI skin? I like their skin a lot. I have owned two Huawei phones with the most recent the Honor 9X and I love their hardware and design of their phones. Great value.

MiUI is Xiaomi's skin. It has a cult following as it started as a custom ROM that you put on other Android phones before Xiaomi made it into their own phones. It is probably the most "iOS-like" Android skin out there. It didn't even have an app drawer for the longest time.

 

[Ludatyk]

- TBD: Finally working upcoming syncs between Android and ChromeOS (and Windows/Linux) to enable features like answering the call directly on my Desktop. Forwarding text messages (mostly for 2FA logins). Yes, there are workarounds to get this - and yes, they're workarounds. 😉

Workarounds? Its straightforward... I have a Galaxy Fold along with a Windows PC, there’s this feature called “Your Phone.” Where you can interact with your Android phone on Windows… you can get calls and notifications, respond to messages as well.

To be honest, they're almost more equal than ever before. We have gesture navigation in the same way on both systems, we have great ecosystems on both systems, we have great apps on both systems, we have much power on both systems.

I do agree with this. Both platforms take ideas from each other… So it works out for the end user, but what sets them apart is the integration among their ecosystem. Apple has done well in this area and as of now.. everything is scattered with Android. Since theres so many players like Samsung, Google and Microsoft all trying to build upon it.

Samsung has their Galaxy devices, Chrome Google has their ChromeBooks and Microsoft trying to bring Android apps to Windows. Sometimes I wish that ChromeOS should become Android in the tablet form (maybe AndroidL is bridging that gap), but that’s beside the point. What I’m trying to get at is… when choosing between Android or iOS its starting to become which ecosystem is tailored to your needs.

 

[Electrojake]

Closing thoughts from a casual Android user. . .

Interesting that when I discuss Samsung & Android on an Apple based forum like this I get an assortment of different users posting interesting information and opinions about Android & iOS.👍

Conversely, when I'm on the Samsung forums and mention that I'm basically an iOS guy I usually get blasted!
Terms like banana muncher, iOS idiot, monkey trapped in the walled garden, etc... get thrown at me.

Seems the Samsung crew despise anything Apple while Apple users enjoy working with iOS, Mac, MS, Android, Linux, etc...
Perhaps it's just the crew in this thread particular, but regardless... thank you for the good read here when I mentioned I also have a ZF3.🙂

 

[halfway2anywhere]

I'm an iOS guy that dabbles in Android. . .
My first Samsung phone was a Note 10+. That is where I learned about Samsung's beautiful hardware and Android's flexible OS... but shabby apps.

I have since upgraded to the Z-Fold3 with S-Pen.
It's a tad awkward to handle but the Samsung UI and Android OS have steadily improved making things rather tolerable for us out-of-the-box users 🙂, however, the Google Play Store & Galaxy App Store are still a junkyard compare to the iOS App Store.

My carry-phone and daily workhorse is an iPhone.
My tinker-toy (stay at home phone) is the Z Fold3.
I love em' both.
So my question is: Why do the iOS fanboys despise Samsung (and Android too)?

Is it really just a shallow Chevy vs. Ford mentality as was mentioned in an earlier post?

Food for thought. . .
https://nypost.com/2018/10/25/iphone-and-android-users-are-completely-different-people/

And a quote from the article. . .
"iPhone users are generally happier, more extroverted, more adventurous, and make more money than Android users, according to new research"
Regards,
-Jake-

We have the same experience. Note 10 plus was my first and now I have the z fold 3. Difference being that I barely touch my iPhone anymore. I have BlueBubbles set up for imessage and I duplicated my cloud photo library to onedrive. My nickname was literally iSlave in college... 12 years ago I would've never imagined myself using android everyday, but I love this phone.

 

[Electrojake]

My nickname was literally iSlave in college... 12 years ago I would've never imagined myself using android everyday, but I love this phone.

^^^ A full switch to Android? I'm not quite there yet. 😉

Love the Fold-3 but IMHO it still has some durability issues.
Android has come a long way too but for my basic "out of the box" needs the iOS ecosystem is fine for now.

Thanks for the reply. Love the iSlave title too. 😆