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Mrg02d

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Cyueue is great and all but you can't queue up whole albums. Just a song at a time.

Unless I'm mistaken?

Again, everywhere you turn in iOS it reeks of limitations. Everything is just so manual.

I'm almost certain I'm going back to android and the s4 unless there should be some cataclysmic issue with the s4.

HTC ONE. And be sure to make a thread, just like this, about the HTC ONE...

Im now on the fence as well once I realized how dependent I am on jailbreak. I dont want to stick with the 4s for another year, nor do I want to do without jailbreak.
 

viskon

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Oct 20, 2012
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I have to say that reading through this thread reminds me of all the frustrations I had with the iPhone 3g - my first smartphone and the only iPhone I ever had. Brings back memories.
- This thing has a camera, right?! WHY can't it do video?
- What do you mean this thing can't play flash ?! Flash is a memory hog? if they knew that, why didn't they put more memory in the thing?
- No file manager? How do I organize this multitude of files?
- No usb?! Can't move files without using */$?@## ITunes ? You're kidding me!

And the list went on.. Good times those.
 
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gniss39

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Eugene, OR
Any new updates Couch? I just recently JB my 4S and got Zephyr, activator and SwipeSelection for a nice gesture based navigation through iOS! Really revitalized my interest in my 4S which should hopefully extend Into June when my contract is up.
 

onthecouchagain

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Any new updates Couch? I just recently JB my 4S and got Zephyr, activator and SwipeSelection for a nice gesture based navigation through iOS! Really revitalized my interest in my 4S which should hopefully extend Into June when my contract is up.

What would you like to know?

I'm pretty sure I want to return to Android. Jailbreak makes iOS more tolerable but it's not always stable (even after uninstalling Auxo) and no jailbreak will ever give me a bigger screen and notification light (two things I miss a lot, especially the latter). People who always say notification light wastes batteries or is an annoyance, I feel turning on the screen to check if I got anything wastes batteries and is far more annoying to do.

Everything about the iPhone and iOS is extremely manual. That's the best way I can put it.

Having said that... I am really not convinced I want an S4 nor an HTC One. It's a bit of a dilemma. So, do I hold onto the iPhone and wait until the Phone X, or the next Nexus? I don't know. I'm really quite torn.

I don't want to let Samsung get away with using plastic again and not taking this opportunity to really distance itself from the competition. I get the sense that they didn't expect HTC to offer such a strong showing. Don't get me wrong, I'd be the first to argue that the S4 is a nice upgrade from the S3. But something about TouchWiz, something about the plastic, and just generally something about Samsung rub me the wrong way. Early videos showing considerable lag throughout the operating system really turn me off too. I'm hoping that's just early software.

As for the HTC, well, I've already explained ad nauseum why I don't think I'd be happy with it. Power button location, the reconfiguring of the home button layout (all for a stupid logo), battery concerns, 4.1 and slow updates in general, overhyped camera, etc. etc.

So, what to do? What to do...

For now, the front runner is still the S4, but I'm not too excited about it, and I think that's a bad sign. I should be excited about a new smartphone purchase...

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Welp, if this new rumor is true, Phone X won't arrive until November? Do I smell a replacement of the Nexus line? I'm not sure.

http://www.androidauthority.com/goo...n-800-4000mah-battery-november-launch-177568/


Today’s report says that the X Phone will arrive at some point in November, in time for the holiday season – not June or July as previous rumors have suggested – and that the handset will feature some high-end features including a 4.8-inch display protected by sapphire glass instead of good old Gorilla Glass, a 2GHz quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 processor and a 4000mAh battery.

The X Phone will be water resistant and it will sport a carbon fiber back case, with rubber bumpers placed in its corners.
 

Fireblade

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Jan 25, 2011
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Reading through this thread is giving me one conclusion:
You have to install about 100 Cydia tweaks to get your iPhone somehow closer to an Android flagship in terms of functionality.
Haven't used an iPhone since 2 years now, but this thread brings up memories.
 

Tig Bitties

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Sep 6, 2012
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I read that the "X" line of Motorola made phones from Google, will be their own new product line, offering close to stock experience, and customizable, but it will not be 100% pure stock, and will not be a Nexus branded device. The "X" phones supposed to be released this holiday season Fall / Winter.

From what I hear, there will still be a Nexus-Five this Summer / Fall, most likely a LG or Sony made phone, with specs matching current high end Android phones, but running Android 5.0 KLP.

My rough guess, and new rumors, is that there possibly be another JB update announced at Google I/O in May, Android 4.3, some improvements, bug fixes, etc.. Only brand new device to come out at Google I/O will be the Asus made Nexus 8 tablet, the successor to the Nexus 7 tablet, which will come with Android 4.3, and the current Nexus phones will also get this update right away in June.

And that in November, the full fledged Android 5.0 launches on the brand new Nexus-Five phone, to be made by LG or Sony. Which may be previewed behind closed doors at I/O, but not officially shown off to the public just yet, maybe just an early glimpse or ideas discussed to the public.

But this is of course, all rumors for now. Real concrete news won't come out until Google I/O show in May. Just have to wait another 6 weeks, nothing announced until then.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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Reading through this thread is giving me one conclusion:
You have to install about 100 Cydia tweaks to get your iPhone somehow closer to an Android flagship in terms of functionality.
Haven't used an iPhone since 2 years now, but this thread brings up memories.

Wrong - Couch has to install that many tweaks to get the iPhone to HIS PREFERENCE of functionality - whereas Android begins much closer, which is why he should and will switch back soon I'd imagine.

I find my stock iPhone 5 perfectly functional. Does all the same things my Nexus 4 does, albeit differently. That's really what this is about - Couch (and everyone) has certain ways they are used to doing or prefer to do things and as such choose the phone that most fits those needs.

I do the same things on my Nexus 4 and iPhone 5 in generally the same way, with no loss of usefulness moving from one to the other - because the smartphone doesn't use me, I use the smartphone. My tendencies and preferences trump whatever the smartphone offers.
 

Mrg02d

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Jan 27, 2012
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Wrong - Couch has to install that many tweaks to get the iPhone to HIS PREFERENCE of functionality - whereas Android begins much closer, which is why he should and will switch back soon I'd imagine.

I find my stock iPhone 5 perfectly functional. Does all the same things my Nexus 4 does, albeit differently. That's really what this is about - Couch (and everyone) has certain ways they are used to doing or prefer to do things and as such choose the phone that most fits those needs.

I do the same things on my Nexus 4 and iPhone 5 in generally the same way, with no loss of usefulness moving from one to the other - because the smartphone doesn't use me, I use the smartphone. My tendencies and preferences trump whatever the smartphone offers.

Yeap...I, for one, prefer to open the settings app then navigate to wifi or Bluetooth before turning them on/off. Different, but just as functional as android.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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Yeap...I, for one, prefer to open the settings app then navigate to wifi or Bluetooth before turning them on/off. Different, but just as functional as android.

I prefer to simply leave all those things 'on' all the time as my battery life can handle it.

To each his own.
 

mattopotamus

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Jun 12, 2012
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I prefer to simply leave all those things 'on' all the time as my battery life can handle it.

To each his own.

agreed. I am yet to see it make a significant difference in battery in any of the recent phones I have bought (iphone 5, nexus 4, note 2)
 

Vegastouch

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Jul 12, 2008
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I prefer to simply leave all those things 'on' all the time as my battery life can handle it.

To each his own.

I use NFC tags that simply do it for me. Bluetooth doesnt hurt the battery at all but i dont need it when im not in the car for example. NFC tags are convienient.
 

gniss39

macrumors regular
Mar 11, 2007
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Eugene, OR
I was just curious if you had come to a decision of keeping the 5. When does your 30 days end? For now I think JB will keep my happy on the 4S until the X or N5 gets released.
 

mattopotamus

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Jun 12, 2012
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I use NFC tags that simply do it for me. Bluetooth doesnt hurt the battery at all but i dont need it when im not in the car for example. NFC tags are convienient.

I thought about NFC tags, but until they can do more they are less useful for me. As soon as I park my car, I turn my lights on and unlock my door b.c I am connected to wifi already since I leave it on. If NFC tags could perform functions within an app, that would be awesome!
 

onthecouchagain

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Does all the same things my Nexus 4 does, albeit differently.


Differently? Sometimes. Though I'd say usually "differently" also means "more difficultly".

Other times, there are things iOS simply cannot do that Android can (without jailbreak).

It's really not a matter of preference. No one prefers a harder way to do things. There are many times where it is harder to do the same things on iOS than it is on Android.

Turning on or off WiFi, for example. Or turning on and off private browsing in Safari. It takes two steps to do that in Chrome. At least six steps to do that in Safari.

Different? Sure. More difficult? Definitely.

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I was just curious if you had come to a decision of keeping the 5. When does your 30 days end? For now I think JB will keep my happy on the 4S until the X or N5 gets released.

I still have a solid two and a half weeks, I believe.

Might keep it, believe it or not. Only to tie me over until a phone that I truly want comes.

Or I'll cave and get the S4/One. It depends on a lot of things. USA S4 and One reviews (I want to know about battery life on LTE in the States). And also what their unlocked prices are. If they are going to be much higher than the iPhone 5 unlocked, I'm far more inclined to keep the 5.

Also, with Tmobile's LTE rolling out, I really want to see how well the 5 does. It's already getting 3G (aka HSPA) in NYC, albeit it doesn't hold it very well, especially the moment you go even remotely deep into a building. :T

All in time...
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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Differently? Sometimes. Though I'd say usually "differently" also means "more difficultly".

Other times, there are things iOS simply cannot do that Android can (without jailbreak).

It's really not a matter of preference. No one prefers a harder way to do things. There are many times where it is harder to do the same things on iOS than it is on Android.

Turning on or off WiFi, for example. Or turning on and off private browsing in Safari. It takes two steps to do that in Chrome. At least six steps to do that in Safari.

Different? Sure. More difficult? Definitely.

I have absolutely no difficulty whatsoever - I think our definitions of "difficult" are different perhaps.

As I said, there is no toggling of wifi for me - my battery life is such that I can leave it on all day with no issue. My 1 day+ battery life includes having everything toggled on AND brightness at 50% on average. So you take one step to toggle wifi, I take 0.

I also never browse "privately" on safari.

So you see, it IS a matter of preference. If you PREFER to constantly toggle settings, sure it may be more involved on iOS (though I would argue calling three taps "difficult" is a bit of a stretch) but possible and not very taxing all the same.

There are also things on Android that are "more difficult" than on iOS....killing an app for instance (something was draining my battery the other day and I couldn't figure it out. I "killed" all apps that were running both in the app-switcher and in settings and nothing worked. Finally had to completely restore....) and backing up and restoring.

Like I said, our definitions of "difficult" vary greatly...and if you think the iPhone is so "difficult" to use, you should simply switch back to ANY Android. The fact that you are using a 6 month old smartphone with an OS you find "manual" and "limited" on a phone which is too small makes me laugh. There are Android phones out there just as old with an OS and a screen the size you clearly prefer.
 

TheMTtakeover

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Aug 3, 2011
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I have absolutely no difficulty whatsoever - I think our definitions of "difficult" are different perhaps.

As I said, there is no toggling of wifi for me - my battery life is such that I can leave it on all day with no issue. My 1 day+ battery life includes having everything toggled on AND brightness at 50% on average. So you take one step to toggle wifi, I take 0.

I also never browse "privately" on safari.

So you see, it IS a matter of preference. If you PREFER to constantly toggle settings, sure it may be more involved on iOS (though I would argue calling three taps "difficult" is a bit of a stretch) but possible and not very taxing all the same.

There are also things on Android that are "more difficult" than on iOS....killing an app for instance (something was draining my battery the other day and I couldn't figure it out. I "killed" all apps that were running both in the app-switcher and in settings and nothing worked. Finally had to completely restore....) and backing up and restoring.

Like I said, our definitions of "difficult" vary greatly...and if you think the iPhone is so "difficult" to use, you should simply switch back to ANY Android. The fact that you are using a 6 month old smartphone with an OS you find "manual" and "limited" on a phone which is too small makes me laugh. There are Android phones out there just as old with an OS and a screen the size you clearly prefer.

He really just likes to complain. I haven't seen him "fully" like and just be happy with a phone yet.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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Here is my question:

You say iOS is manual - you have to tap three or four times instead of one-two to toggle wifi. You have to press a physical home button. You have to "reach" and find the back button.

Does the S4, One, Note 2 - in fact any other Android phone - not have all these problems automatically solved? It would also include your precious notification light.

I'm curious what the iPhone offers (aside from a 30-day return period) that is making you keep it? Without all of the drama/negatives, can you list what you like about the iPhone/iOS?
 

roxxette

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Aug 9, 2011
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I'm curious what the iPhone offers (aside from a 30-day return period) that is making you keep it? Without all of the drama/negatives, can you list what you like about the iPhone/iOS?

I want to know the answear too ! Because for someone with that many problem with iOS and the iphone 5 (screen wise) will not even consider keeping it, why not just return and pickup a gs3 cheap or even cheaper a gnexus ?
 

Fireblade

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Here is my question:

You say iOS is manual - you have to tap three or four times instead of one-two to toggle wifi. You have to press a physical home button. You have to "reach" and find the back button.

Does the S4, One, Note 2 - in fact any other Android phone - not have all these problems automatically solved? It would also include your precious notification light.

I'm curious what the iPhone offers (aside from a 30-day return period) that is making you keep it? Without all of the drama/negatives, can you list what you like about the iPhone/iOS?


Red = in general a good question :)
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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Red = in general a good question :)

Personally, Apple hits all 5 of my smartphone "wants" with the iPhone:

-great customer service
-high quality LCD display
-simple, easy to use - no lag, few glitches etc.
-timely OS updates
-premium build feel and quality

For me, the iPhone works as well as my Nexus 4. There are nuances to both that take a learning curve. But in general I use each to achieve the same goals/functions and I like them both.

I understand my list is pretty general - I'm a pretty easy-going, laid-back guy.
 
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Mrg02d

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Jan 27, 2012
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Differently? Sometimes. Though I'd say usually "differently" also means "more difficultly".

Other times, there are things iOS simply cannot do that Android can (without jailbreak).

It's really not a matter of preference. No one prefers a harder way to do things. There are many times where it is harder to do the same things on iOS than it is on Android.

Turning on or off WiFi, for example. Or turning on and off private browsing in Safari. It takes two steps to do that in Chrome. At least six steps to do that in Safari.

Different? Sure. More difficult? Definitely.

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I still have a solid two and a half weeks, I believe.

Might keep it, believe it or not. Only to tie me over until a phone that I truly want comes.

Or I'll cave and get the S4/One. It depends on a lot of things. USA S4 and One reviews (I want to know about battery life on LTE in the States). And also what their unlocked prices are. If they are going to be much higher than the iPhone 5 unlocked, I'm far more inclined to keep the 5.

Also, with Tmobile's LTE rolling out, I really want to see how well the 5 does. It's already getting 3G (aka HSPA) in NYC, albeit it doesn't hold it very well, especially the moment you go even remotely deep into a building. :T

All in time...

Get the HTC one. It's very important to me that you choose the one over the s4 or iPhone 5...And, ill need a nice little thread dealing with the HTC one.

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Red = in general a good question :)

iPhone is super smooth...like Keith stone. HTC one may be just as smooth though.
 

Vegastouch

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Jul 12, 2008
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Personally, Apple hits all 5 of my smartphone "wants" with the iPhone:

-great customer service

-high quality LCD display
-simple, easy to use
-timely OS updates
-premium build feel and quality

For me, the iPhone works as well as my Nexus 4. There are nuances to both that take a learning curve. But in general I use each to achieve the same goals/functions and I like them both.

I understand my list is pretty general - I'm a pretty easy-going, laid-back guy.

Thats there is something Apple is really ahead of the curve. They are actually too good with it since some bring their phone back to get a new one when they themselves are the ones who break it. But, if they let you do it, why not?

I am fortunate to not have to had to use customer service with Android since i left the iPhone almost 3 years ago. Though on my Wifes Android at the time , the Wi-Fi stopped working and T-Mobile replaced it since it was during the manufacturers year warranty.

The other reason you listed...ok i guess. It is easy to use but I dont think Apple is built any better than the rest. I actually do not like aluminum or glass backs.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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Thats there is something Apple is really ahead of the curve. They are actually too good with it since some bring their phone back to get a new one when they themselves are the ones who break it. But, if they let you do it, why not?

I am fortunate to not have to had to use customer service with Android since i left the iPhone almost 3 years ago. Though on my Wifes Android at the time , the Wi-Fi stopped working and T-Mobile replaced it since it was during the manufacturers year warranty.

The other reason you listed...ok i guess. It is easy to use but I dont think Apple is built any better than the rest. I actually do not like aluminum or glass backs.

My list is based on my preferences. I wouldn't expect my list to work for everyone, nor really anyone else (though it is general enough that people could share the same opinions).

I'm a tech-junkie and therefore generally like everything. These are just some factors that help me decide among the huge number of options out there I can't afford to buy one of each.
 

onthecouchagain

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I have absolutely no difficulty whatsoever - I think our definitions of "difficult" are different perhaps.

As I said, there is no toggling of wifi for me - my battery life is such that I can leave it on all day with no issue. My 1 day+ battery life includes having everything toggled on AND brightness at 50% on average. So you take one step to toggle wifi, I take 0.

I also never browse "privately" on safari.

So you see, it IS a matter of preference. If you PREFER to constantly toggle settings, sure it may be more involved on iOS (though I would argue calling three taps "difficult" is a bit of a stretch) but possible and not very taxing all the same.

There are also things on Android that are "more difficult" than on iOS....killing an app for instance (something was draining my battery the other day and I couldn't figure it out. I "killed" all apps that were running both in the app-switcher and in settings and nothing worked. Finally had to completely restore....) and backing up and restoring.

Like I said, our definitions of "difficult" vary greatly...and if you think the iPhone is so "difficult" to use, you should simply switch back to ANY Android. The fact that you are using a 6 month old smartphone with an OS you find "manual" and "limited" on a phone which is too small makes me laugh. There are Android phones out there just as old with an OS and a screen the size you clearly prefer.

Just two things:

1) just because something is "harder" or "more difficult" doesn't mean it's hard or difficult. Just more so in comparison. So no there is no difference of definition of what difficult means.

2) objectively speaking, no one that I know of prefers a more difficult way of doing things on their smartphone. If there are its a rare and odd lot indeed.

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Here is my question:

You say iOS is manual - you have to tap three or four times instead of one-two to toggle wifi. You have to press a physical home button. You have to "reach" and find the back button.

Does the S4, One, Note 2 - in fact any other Android phone - not have all these problems automatically solved? It would also include your precious notification light.

I'm curious what the iPhone offers (aside from a 30-day return period) that is making you keep it? Without all of the drama/negatives, can you list what you like about the iPhone/iOS?

I've answered this already. Read the op or my post history. You visit these boards enough to have seen some of them I wager.

Or you could stop reading this thread. Many have. I am not hurt.
 
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