Navigon 1.4

[navguy]

No they didn't as they forgot to include a switch to toggle triangulation assistance off. Currently it can suck for those without a data plan you see...

Didn't know there were people w/o data plans w/ an iPhone, i'm sure fairly small number - and no app developer would put effort against that

... and does triangulation come from 'data plan'? or 3G cellular signals? i don't know

... finally, i have an old 3G w/o a sim card and my v1.4 secured a GPS lock just fine

does anyone know a forum/discussion group or somewhere to get advice or instructions on how to use Navigon?

Not sure how to link to a different discussion, but this response from lordhamster in a different discussion thread was helpful to me ...

I used to have a Navigon 8100T which is quite similar and DOES come with a manual. While not an exact match, many of the features and cryptic symbology is the same.

http://support.navigonusa.com/_pdf/manual/Manual_8100T_English_Rev1_1.pdf

If you need a 3GS to run this monster, then they need to make that clear when you buy it. I should minimally be able to listen to my iPod and run Navigon at the same time. I can't on my 3G.

While I've seen mixed 3G reviews, the vast majority are negative on laggy and skips. Navigon needs to take feedback like this seriously and improve performance, or it will (or has!) impacted their ability to sell to 3G owners ... and should probably say something in their app description.

 

[blueprint1983]

I am pretty disappointed and close to asking for a refund. If you need a 3GS to run this monster, then they need to make that clear when you buy it.

I've contacted Apple and Navigon, Apple said no and Navigon hasn't responded to six yes, SIX, e-mails. No refund for 3G owners.

 

[nikhsub1]

Ok, now that I've had a chance to run through all the new features here are the results.

3. Fix the Damned contact function already!! The Damned thing still cant parse simple addresses which are in USPS standardized format if they are coming out of your contacts list.

It's not Navigon, it's the way the addresses are listed in your phone? Let me explain; first, do you use googlesync for your contacts? I do, and this is how I discovered the problem. If you enter contact address in google contacts in the normal fashion, they won't fill the fields in the iphone properly. For example, in the google address field (it is just one big text field, no seperation for city, state and zip) if you put it like below the contact in your iphone will show it's state and zip as BLANK... the state and zip will be in the city field, which Navigon can not recognize.

320 North Anywhere Drive
Suite 1
Beverly Hills, CA 90210

Now, for this to CORRECTLY fill in the fields properly on the iphone you need to format all your address in google like so:

320 North Anywhere Drive, Suite 1
Beverly Hills
CA
90210

Now, Navigon will have no issue with your contact addresses. Sorry if this has already been covered.

 

[comatose81]

I've contacted Apple and Navigon, Apple said no and Navigon hasn't responded to six yes, SIX, e-mails. No refund for 3G owners.

What a joke. They haven't replied to me either. The App Store is a racket anyways. And they wonder why AppSync is so popular on JB phones.

 

[prominence]

I've contacted Apple and Navigon, Apple said no and Navigon hasn't responded to six yes, SIX, e-mails. No refund for 3G owners.

Have you used your one "freebie" refund? Everyone gets 1 freebie refund via app store. Have heard about it on these forums and was very disappointed with TomTom, called Apple and they refunded, apologized, said they do a 1-time refund for people's app purchases.

 

[rotlex]

Well, I'm done with Navigon on my 3G. I posted earlier in this thread, or maybe it was another, that after the 1.4 update, things seemed to be working nicely. The app is now back to it's old tricks. Ridiculously slow interface, massive stuttering while the iPod is playing, and huge delays in TTS. (i.e., telling me to turn after I've already turned). Who knows, maybe it behaved right after install as I did a reboot of the phone, but I don't think you should have to reboot every time you want to use an app.

I really, really, really want to like, and keep using this app, especially after paying for it, and the traffic updates, but it is just unusable at this point. Apple\and or Navigon, really needs to put an update out to fix this, or WARN people on the app store how poorly the app performs on a 3G. And please, don't tell me "the 3G is old tech, gotta move up etc. Tomom runs beautifully, and as speedily as any built in iPhone application.

Here is hoping Navigon fixes it at some point, as again, I like the interface, Google local etc.

 

[comatose81]

Have you used your one "freebie" refund? Everyone gets 1 freebie refund via app store. Have heard about it on these forums and was very disappointed with TomTom, called Apple and they refunded, apologized, said they do a 1-time refund for people's app purchases.

I haven't heard of that, but I may give it a shot. I will get the next generation of the iPhone when my contract is up, but that is 6 or 7 months. At that point, I would probably go back to Navigon, but I don't know that I want to wait half a year to use my GPS that I paid $90+ for.

 

[comatose81]

Well, I'm done with Navigon on my 3G. I posted earlier in this thread, or maybe it was another, that after the 1.4 update, things seemed to be working nicely. The app is now back to it's old tricks. Ridiculously slow interface, massive stuttering while the iPod is playing, and huge delays in TTS. (i.e., telling me to turn after I've already turned). Who knows, maybe it behaved right after install as I did a reboot of the phone, but I don't think you should have to reboot every time you want to use an app.

I really, really, really want to like, and keep using this app, especially after paying for it, and the traffic updates, but it is just unusable at this point. Apple\and or Navigon, really needs to put an update out to fix this, or WARN people on the app store how poorly the app performs on a 3G. And please, don't tell me "the 3G is old tech, gotta move up etc. Tomom runs beautifully, and as speedily as any built in iPhone application.

Here is hoping Navigon fixes it at some point, as again, I like the interface, Google local etc.

Yeah, the "get a 3GS" comments are silly since not everyone is able to renew their contract right now, and buying a 3GS on eBay is close to a $1000 purchase. If an app says it can work with a 3G, that means all of the features for the app should work. The TTS works most of the time, but gets choppy and at times cuts out completely, requiring a reboot. And the iPod is just a joke. The app does not fully work, and many people complain about this. There should be a comment on the app store page mentioning this... I know it doesn't help Navigon make sales, but it's only right.

 

[comatose81]

So, Navigon's voice crapped out on me again today on my way to work... this is like a 25 minute drive we are talking (with traffic), so I don't understand how this happens every single day. I could accept it a little more if I was driving 2 hours or so. I swear, as soon as you hit an interchange that loads up reality view, the voice is gone or at least starts cutting out the important information. Then you have to reload the app to get it back.

On the other hand, it did route me around a major traffic incident in one of the tunnels, saving me 20 minutes or so on my drive. Had I used TomTom or one of the other apps, I'd have been really pissed off.

I can't wait until I can get a next-gen iPhone and this becomes moot.

 

[kate-willbury]

Well, I'm done with Navigon on my 3G. I posted earlier in this thread, or maybe it was another, that after the 1.4 update, things seemed to be working nicely. The app is now back to it's old tricks. Ridiculously slow interface, massive stuttering while the iPod is playing, and huge delays in TTS. (i.e., telling me to turn after I've already turned). Who knows, maybe it behaved right after install as I did a reboot of the phone, but I don't think you should have to reboot every time you want to use an app.

I really, really, really want to like, and keep using this app, especially after paying for it, and the traffic updates, but it is just unusable at this point. Apple\and or Navigon, really needs to put an update out to fix this, or WARN people on the app store how poorly the app performs on a 3G. And please, don't tell me "the 3G is old tech, gotta move up etc. Tomom runs beautifully, and as speedily as any built in iPhone application.

Here is hoping Navigon fixes it at some point, as again, I like the interface, Google local etc.

i have the same slow experience with navigon. takes forever to do anything in it. it could be due to having only an iphone 3g but hmm. i also have further issues where it just doesn't seem to 'save' anything i do. any recent address i enter, it goes into the 'recent' list while the app is still open. but when i close navigon and reopen it, that entry mysteriously disappears. SO ridiculously annoying.

 

[kate-willbury]

I noticed that whenever I install an updated version I always lose my preferences like 'Home' and 'Favorites'

With 1.4 however I noticed that when I update the 'Home' location, it doesn't save it. It remembers it as long as I have Navigon open, but when I close it and relaunch, the Home location is gone, and I have to retype it.

Anyone else have the same issue, or am I alone in this?

i have this issue too. it seems to randomly 'forget' things i've entered. like recent addresses, favorites etc. so far its remembered 'my home' address. no idea whats wrong with it and its annoying as hell.

 

[navguy]

So, Navigon's voice crapped out on me again today on my way to work... this is like a 25 minute drive we are talking (with traffic), so I don't understand how this happens every single day. I could accept it a little more if I was driving 2 hours or so. I swear, as soon as you hit an interchange that loads up reality view, the voice is gone or at least starts cutting out the important information. Then you have to reload the app to get it back.

On the other hand, it did route me around a major traffic incident in one of the tunnels, saving me 20 minutes or so on my drive. Had I used TomTom or one of the other apps, I'd have been really pissed off.

I can't wait until I can get a next-gen iPhone and this becomes moot.

this sucks, Navigon must address performance for the vast majority of their 23% market share on the 3G iPhone ... tho i'm sure they are not reading this forum ... have you commented on facebook or twitter? ... i understand that they are only responsive to questions/comments on facebook and twitter - though not all ...

and while i hate the idea of throwing money at problems, by any chance are you getting one of the enhanced GPS mounts any time soon? I was wonder whether offloading the GPS processing and adding power to the phone would improve the experience on the 3G ... ?? can anyone comment?

 

[blueprint1983]

I wrote them a pretty harsh e-mail, here is their response:

Dear NAVIGON Customer

Thank you for your inquiry.

We do apologize for any inconvenience and the trouble you have.



Sincerely
p.p.Michelle Collier

 

[gloss]

I wrote them a pretty harsh e-mail, here is their response:

Dear NAVIGON Customer

Thank you for your inquiry.

We do apologize for any inconvenience and the trouble you have.



Sincerely
p.p.Michelle Collier

FYI, harsh e-mails don't particularly encourage polite and thorough responses, much less actual assistance.

 

[lordhamster]

this sucks, Navigon must address performance for the vast majority of their 23% market share on the 3G iPhone ... tho i'm sure they are not reading this forum ... have you commented on facebook or twitter? ... i understand that they are only responsive to questions/comments on facebook and twitter - though not all ...

and while i hate the idea of throwing money at problems, by any chance are you getting one of the enhanced GPS mounts any time soon? I was wonder whether offloading the GPS processing and adding power to the phone would improve the experience on the 3G ... ?? can anyone comment?

I have the TomTom mount and used it with my 3G as well as my new 3GS and I can tell you it has ZERO effect on the lag problems in navigon. Honestly I got it so I can have bluetooth, hear the iphone through car stereo etc all in a quick dock. Also it has a great small form factor which is great for travel.

 

[navguy]

I have the TomTom mount and used it with my 3G as well as my new 3GS and I can tell you it has ZERO effect on the lag problems in navigon. Honestly I got it so I can have bluetooth, hear the iphone through car stereo etc all in a quick dock. Also it has a great small form factor which is great for travel.

thanks for the quick confirmation ... Navigon just has to focus on performance; it's all about priorities - new features or better performance trade-offs, and they better listen on this one ...

... and w/ the $99 3G in the market, a lot more will be sold than 3GS ... it's just a matter of an untapped iPhone market ...

 

[lordhamster]

thanks for the quick confirmation ... Navigon just has to focus on performance; it's all about priorities - new features or better performance trade-offs, and they better listen on this one ...

... and w/ the $99 3G in the market, a lot more will be sold than 3GS ... it's just a matter of an untapped iPhone market ...

I'd like the ability to turn off certain features. Perhaps turning off reality view might help performance? I don't know. But I also don't like the "get a 3Gs" argument. I mean other programs work fine...

 

[navguy]

I'd like the ability to turn off certain features. Perhaps turning off reality view might help performance? I don't know. But I also don't like the "get a 3Gs" argument. I mean other programs work fine...

... the fact is other GPS apps work fine that's the sad thing. I believe that Navigon may be the worst w/ 3G performance, and that is, and going to become more of, a problem ...

I'm ok w/ being able to turn off features, but even that's not a solution or arguement for 3G owners.

I gotta keep reminding people ... on a 3GS, Navigon w/ fixed cost traffic and free google search ... unbeatable!

 

[lordhamster]

... the fact is other GPS apps
I gotta keep reminding people ... on a 3GS, Navigon w/ fixed cost traffic and free google search ... unbeatable!

Was driving home from the airport today and I saw on the screen that the opposite highway lane was all yellow and had road closed on it up ahead. Sure enough, I drove past 4 miles of parking lot.

I have to say that the Traffic info on the Navigon is the most timely and complete I've seen. Although in my area EVERY traffic incident is marked as backup... the accident symbol from my old 8100T is nowhere to be seen.

The other day I was driving during a snowstorm. Every highway in Cleveland was lit up like a christmas tree on the map, it was great. Unfortunately the Navigon kept trying to route me back onto highways because the delay estimates were off. (Not navigon's fault) But I eventually had to turn off highways. I'd give anything right now to be able to avoid a specific road like in TomTom... then Navigon would be 100% perfect for me.

 

[navguy]

I have to say that the Traffic info on the Navigon is the most timely and complete I've seen.

completely agree! ... one nice thing is that if people want to see what Navigon is using before purchasing the app or in-app feature, just download the free INRIX Traffic app ... same basic source of traffic data. I used before purchasing Navigon, found it better then Google Maps on the roads I cared about.

Now unless you purchase Navigon, it won't be integrated into the routing decisions and/or provide alternate options when traffic issues arise, but you can confirm that it's good traffic info in your area.

to make it perfect for me, i need Google Search enhancements like a direction arrow and distance to the items on the list ... in an unfamiliar area, i need to know which Starbucks is in the general direction of my destination ... AND/OR, i need Google Search as an On Route POI option, then we're closing in on perfection

 

[comatose81]

I was apparently granted a refund by Apple for Navigon and the Traffic Live in-app purchase. I have to wait 3-5 days to see if I actually get the credit, but the e-mail I received says that I will.

I first tried e-mailing them through the "Report a Problem" link in my purchase history. I don't know if that actually sent anything to them, because it just said to contact Navigon and didn't confirm that anything was received on their end.

I went through the Apple web site today and received a confirmation e-mail. A few hours later, I received a response stating that I should go through troubleshooting steps from Apple and Navigon, but that I would receive the full refund in 3-5 days.

Pretty easy if anyone else is as disappointed as I am with Navigon's performance on a 3G. Glad to see that Apple is at least willing to work with you if you are regretting an expensive app because it doesn't live up to its expectations.

Well, on to choosing the next disappointing GPS app...

 

[zhenya]

Just got Navigon 1.4 yesterday. Is there a way to get it to do a simulation of the route? If so, I can't find it.

Also, anytime I try to do a Google POI search, it gives me a connection error: 'A connection to the Google server could not be established...' Obviously my Internet connection is working for everything else. Any thoughts?

 

[comatose81]

Just got Navigon 1.4 yesterday. Is there a way to get it to do a simulation of the route? If so, I can't find it.

Also, anytime I try to do a Google POI search, it gives me a connection error: 'A connection to the Google server could not be established...' Obviously my Internet connection is working for everything else. Any thoughts?

At the main menu, select "Route" (you may need to go into the "More" section to find this option). You can then set up a multi-point route that will allow you to run a simulation - assuming you don't have any GPS reception. Note that you can only run a 155-mile max simulation.

I had the same problem with the Google POI search. However, I really did have a poor signal. I had to wait until the signal was reestablished, then I re-launched Navigon and everything seemed to work fine at that point.

 

[MBHockey]

Anyone know what's up with Navigon's routing? I have it on Optimum and I was in an unfamiliar place yesterday when it was telling me to go right at a fork in the road but my gut told me to go left. So i went left and watched the time come down by 8 minutes and the mileage decrease by 4 miles...doesn't sound like it wanted me to go the best way at all.

Are TomTom's IQ routes better?

 

[zhenya]

At the main menu, select "Route" (you may need to go into the "More" section to find this option). You can then set up a multi-point route that will allow you to run a simulation - assuming you don't have any GPS reception. Note that you can only run a 155-mile max simulation.

I had the same problem with the Google POI search. However, I really did have a poor signal. I had to wait until the signal was reestablished, then I re-launched Navigon and everything seemed to work fine at that point.

Thank you. Found the simulation. Too bad it is limited and there is no option to fast forward.

Still can't get the google search to work. I'm on wifi and it won't work on wifi or 3g.