New 2017 iPad : thoughts on it ?

[j2ee]

Data doesn't lie:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today 3-m&q=ipad
From announcement of this ipad to anyone (at least in Hong Kong) can easily walk in Apple Store just pick any model without any queue, the number of people search for "ipad" doesn't raise at all comparing to what it used to be.

This is an example of how a "exciting" product comes out look like in Google trend:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today 3-m&q=/m/0hnbsn3
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How rapidly? How many units have sold so far? Ohhhhhhh right you're clueless about actual facts and just spewing nonsense.

My google trend links have clearly show that this new ipad hasn't brought up any spark at all. Basically only the announcement day has little bit search number more than normal daily search, then even the second day is already within the normal search number. Look at the "Samsung Galaxy" search, recent search number is around 300% of normal daily number.

 

[rui no onna]

Data doesn't lie:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today 3-m&q=ipad
From announcement of this ipad to anyone (at least in Hong Kong) can easily walk in Apple Store just pick any model without any queue, the number of people search for "ipad" doesn't raise at all comparing to what it used to be.

And again, this is not a product that generates buzz and is a must have for early adopters that they'll line up for it from day one. That's just simply not the target market for it.

This is one Apple will probably sell by the truckload to corporate and education customers. I also expect this to be a steady seller for budget minded consumers who ask the tech people in their families or sales representatives for recommendations about what products to buy instead of searching the internet themselves.

 

[j2ee]

And again, this is not a product that generates buzz and is a must have for early adopters that they'll line up for it from day one.

This is one Apple will probably sell by the truckload to corporate and education customers. I also expect this to be a steady seller for budget minded consumers who ask the tech people in their families or sales representatives for recommendations about what products to buy instead of searching the internet themselves.

Number doesn't lie, no matter how you think about it and whatever reasons you try to bring up. Ipod used to be a "must have" item, how about now? I acutally just did a simple analysis:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-be-like-ipod-becoming-old-tech-soon.2039629/

 

[AttilaTheHun]

Just recalling old iPad air frames that were left over new iPad coming soon

 

[Howard2k]

Just recalling old iPad air frames that were left over new iPad coming soon

I want to be amazed that you actually believe this, but I'm not.

 

[sracer]

Number doesn't lie, no matter how you think about it and whatever reasons you try to bring up. Ipod used to be a "must have" item, how about now? I acutally just did a simple analysis:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-be-like-ipod-becoming-old-tech-soon.2039629/

Yes, that was quite a simple analysis, emphasis on simple.

As has been mentioned before, Apple did not intend the 2017 iPad to be a "must have" item. Apple had a simple press release. That is a clear indication that they didn't want to draw attention to it. Repeatedly claiming that because it isn't a "must-have" item is "proof" that the iPad is becoming irrelevant won't change that fact.

 

[j2ee]

Yes, that was quite a simple analysis, emphasis on simple.

As has been mentioned before, Apple did not intend the 2017 iPad to be a "must have" item. Apple had a simple press release. That is a clear indication that they didn't want to draw attention to it. Repeatedly claiming that because it isn't a "must-have" item is "proof" that the iPad is becoming irrelevant won't change that fact.

It doesn't matter how Apple does its marketing, may be Apple thought it is so cheap that even without spending money on marketing it would just work, but it doesn't. It is just a big drop trend and I don't see how can Apple reverse it.

 

[infinitejest]

Number doesn't lie, no matter how you think about it and whatever reasons you try to bring up. Ipod used to be a "must have" item, how about now? I acutally just did a simple analysis:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-be-like-ipod-becoming-old-tech-soon.2039629/

The iPod became irrelevant because they invented the iPhone. What was invented that replaces the tablet? Nothing yet.
So your whole point doesn't make any sense.
People tend to keep their tablets longer than a couple years earlier, because of less new innovations. The same happened to the Mac. But as long as there's no other product replacing the tablet, it won't die.

 

[j2ee]

The iPod became irrelevant because they invented the iPhone. What was invented that replaces the tablet? Nothing yet.
So your whole point doesn't make any sense.
People tend to keep their tablets longer than a couple years earlier, because of less new innovations. The same happened to the Mac. But as long as there's no other product replacing the tablet, it won't die.

Phone can replace tablet for most people. The s8 plus screen is 6.2
And we dont know what will be next hot tech stuff in future to get in human habit and let people forget tablet.

 

[LotusLord]

Phone can replace tablet for most people. The s8 plus screen is 6.2
And we dont know what will be next hot tech stuff in future to get in human habit and let people forget tablet.

All true points. We use a mix of phones and tablets in our sales and distribution model. The delivery drivers felt the normal and mini sized iPads were too large, so they're using iPhones. The information our sales reps need to have access to and show customers would require too much scrolling even on the biggest current phone. So they have 9.7 inch iPad pros (just deployed, replacing Air 2s). We did try the 12.9 inch pro and overwhelmingly it was too large for the sales staff (though a few managers liked the form factor). It's all about the right tool for the job. If I could do everything from my phone I would, but we're not there yet.

 

[iSheep5S]

Nothing much new to add except battery performance. 5% left at screenshot. Love it so much my 12.9 is sold. One is all i need. Recommended!

 

[gobikerider]

Nothing much new to add except battery performance. 5% left at screenshot. Love it so much my 12.9 is sold. One is all i need. Recommended!

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Wtf how how ? What was your Settings/brightness? How do you use your iPad, what apps do you use ?

 

[Jodiuh]

Phone can replace tablet for most people. The s8 plus screen is 6.2
And we dont know what will be next hot tech stuff in future to get in human habit and let people forget tablet.

Is it really‽‽‽ I checked this out in the store the other day and it looked smaller than the iPhone Plus. I think a lot of it has to do w/ the width. It's a very, very narrow phone. I would be willing to bet the actual viewable width (without the curve) is the same or less than a Plus.

 

[iSheep5S]

Wtf how how ? What was your Settings/brightness? How do you use your iPad, what apps do you use ?

All usual social networks, games, forums, news apps, YouTube, Spotify. Nothing different from normal. I guess a huge battery and a newer processor is key.

I got pretty standard usage times from the 12.9" iPad, iPhone 7 and SE. As with all previous apple devices. This one is out of the norm.

Fresh charge shows almost 2hrs usage and 14hrs standby 94% battery. Thumbnails.

 

[sracer]

All usual social networks, games, forums, news apps, YouTube, Spotify. Nothing different from normal. I guess a huge battery and a newer processor is key.

I got pretty standard usage times from the 12.9" iPad, iPhone 7 and SE. As with all previous apple devices. This one is out of the norm.

Fresh charge shows almost 2hrs usage and 14hrs standby 94% battery. Thumbnails.

Very, very interesting. One of the things that I miss about my old iPad 4 was the insane battery life. Easily 14 hours. Depending upon what Apple does with iOS 11 regarding the iPad Pro, I may seriously consider ditching it for the 2017 iPad.

 

[Jodiuh]

From the very brief time I owned the 2017, the battery life messed with my head. I honestly think I charged it once and got like 15+ hours usage. It's not really spoken about as much as I think it should be in reviews. With hat kind of battery life and high mah, the charge cycles will be lower. So in the longer run, the battery will keep it's high charge for longer than an air 2 or pro.

 

[Kendo]

Are there any benchmarks for GPU performance between an A8X and a plain A9 like the new iPad?

 

[gobikerider]

Are there any benchmarks for GPU performance between an A8X and a plain A9 like the new iPad?

Yah in Geekbench 4 compute test the new gpu is roughly 1600 points improved, while the A9X gpu is 7000 points improved doubling the performance. The A9 is a improvement but just on a smaller scale

 

[rui no onna]

Are there any benchmarks for GPU performance between an A8X and a plain A9 like the new iPad?

GFXBench Comparison:
https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?be...l&hwtype2=GPU&hwname2=Apple+Inc.+Apple+A9+GPU

 

[Kendo]

GFXBench Comparison:
https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?be...l&hwtype2=GPU&hwname2=Apple+Inc.+Apple+A9+GPU

Sweet. I only ask because coming from an iPad Air 2, I want to get the next release of the iPad mini and I suspect they'll go with a plain vanilla A9 instead of an A9X or an A10.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

Number doesn't lie, no matter how you think about it and whatever reasons you try to bring up. Ipod used to be a "must have" item, how about now? I acutally just did a simple analysis:

The iPod was a must have item right until the iPhone was introduced then it became a redundant item, so basically the iPhone replaced the iPod. The iPad and tablets in general have also been hurt by larger phones.

 

[jlgreer1]

I have had my new iPad 2017 128 Gb for over a month. It fits my needs perfectly. The closest thing to "serious" I do with it is reading textbooks and technical material. It replaces a Mini 2 that I have had since it was first available several years ago. As with all of my Apple purchases over the years, the Mini 2 is still performing its tasks well. It was just getting too small for my antique eyes. My wife has three 9.7" iPads and a MacBook Air that are provided to her through her education position. She was pleased to get my hand me down Mini 2. I use the new iPad for reading primarily, and secondarily, entertainment. I listen to various internet radio stations and check various web sites that I maintain and others that I visit to connect with distant family and friends.

Bottom line: The battery life is incredible. The screen is bright and has good resolution. The audio could be better but it is good enough. I enjoy playing with my Jamstik+ guitar gadget via bluetooth. It does and excellent job for that application. If I choose, I can connect a wireless Apple keyboard and I have a 3rd party "pencil" that works well if I want to mess with it. I do all of my "serious" work on a MacBook Pro with a core i7 processor and maxed out memory using the full suite of Adobe software. When rendering video, I don't think any tablet would do the job, anyway.

I am very pleased with my purchase. I considered other options and this one was the best for my use. (and my wife is happy, too!). Hard to beat.

fos

 

[vista980622]

Animations are slow, apps took a long time to open, Safari reloads tabs so often, hell, I even can't type something without significant delays. Technically I can use it, but I don't enjoy it. It was lightning fast with iOS 6, that's the way it should be. If only I could revert iOS.

Apple still signs for for OTA updates on selected legacy iOS versions on iPad 2 devices. This is due to bugs in the migration scripts and partition resizing that cannot be retroactively fixed.

If you are currently on 9.3.4/9.3.3/9.3.2/9.3.1/9.3/9.2.1/9.2/9.1/9.0.2/9.0.1 and if your iPad 2 is manufactured before March 2012, you can revert back to 6.1.3 or 8.4.1.
If you are currently on 9.3.4/9.3.3/9.3.2/9.3.1/9.3/9.2.1/9.2/9.1/9.0.2/9.0.1 and if your iPad 2 is manufactured after March 2012, you can revert to 8.4.1.

 

[Math889]

So Apple will release this new "iPad", which doesn't have a proper name by the way, and is much more thicker and heavier than the iPad Air 2 (6.1mm/437g), the iPad Pro 9.7 (also 6.1mm/437g) and only thicker (not heavier) than the gigantic iPad Pro 12.9 (6.9mm).

It's actually 7.5mm thick and weight 469g which are the same specifications than the 2013 iPad Air 1.

And it have mostly the same specifications as the iPad Air 2 from 2014 except that the display is not laminated and it doesn't have the anti-reflective coating anymore. However, it does have the A9 chip instead of the A8 which means :

-No A9X.
-No four stereo speakers.
-No True-Tone display.
-No 12mpx and 5mpx cameras on the front and back.
-No Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard support.
-No Rose Gold color option.
-Maybe others things that I forgot to mention...

The only real advantage I see is in term of battery life because it goes back to the 32.4Wh of the iPad Air 1 from the 27.5Wh of the iPad Air 2/iPad Pro 9.7.

Anyway, there might be surprises when the product get released but this is what we have at the moment from the product page on the Apple website.

So I would like to hear your thoughts on it. Would you buy it ? I know the price is quite good at 329$ for the 32GB but the specifications are for the most part coming straight from 2014.
Also would you go back to that 7.5mm/469g after we got used to much thinner and lighter iPads in favor of a better battery life ?

Waiting to hear your opinions on this product and have a nice day.

It's a low cost iPad . That's why it doesn't have some exclusive features. Oh , it's heavier too . I don't know why a Apple made this iPad really . It should have kept the Air 2 which have some features that this new iPad doesn't have

 

[rui no onna]

It's a low cost iPad . That's why it doesn't have some exclusive features. Oh , it's heavier too . I don't know why a Apple made this iPad really . It should have kept the Air 2 which have some features that this new iPad doesn't have

Apple probably couldn't maintain desired profit margins with the price cut if they continue using Air 2 hardware.

If they had kept prices at $399/16GB and $499/64GB, I'd question the replacement. Given they made the budget model $329/32GB and $429/128GB it's easy to make allowances. Heck, that was the price the original iPad mini 16GB with A5 CPU was released at 5 years ago.

The 2017 iPad (5th gen) is pretty much an updated (2013) iPad Air (A9, TouchID, WiFi+LTE, storage) at $329. That's a good price for a 10" class tablet with warranty support. Even no-name Androids aren't much cheaper and those tend to have poor performing chipsets (particularly GPU) and very short battery life.