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Wow - Ill simply keep using my workhorse Air 1. It just keeps getting the job done for me. Nothing to see here. :)

Same, I just wish it had more RAM, but I can't see myself paying $300+ for this iPad or a Pro when Air1 feels almost as fast as my iPhone 7+ (minus the reloading apps).
 
Smart move from Apple. I think this puts the nail in the coffin for Android tablets. For everyone deciding between Androidland and iPad, there's no reason not to go iPad now: Price, build quality, better performance - it all comes together now.
 
I know. I was just saying that if they made an iPad Air 2 with an A9 it would be better than the 2017 iPad.
Clearly there are problems among consumers not seeing reasons to upgrade their iPads. So they decided to not use the Air2 and spec bump it for a few reasons

1. It's cheaper to produce and keep the price down since many are already coming for much thicker and heavier iPads. This isn't meant for an upgrade for users with newer iPads /pro . So for 90 percent of the upgrades this will be an insanely thin, light, fast iPad.

2. Marketing the pro. Much nicer screen, thinner, lighter, four speakers, faster processors, pencil and keyboard support.

Overall the differentiators will be much greater. The iPad lineup has been getting pretty muddy for the past three years. So this is a very very smart move on their part and I think this iPad will sell extremely well. It's an absolute NO BRAINER purchase for those coming from 3,4,5 year old iPads.
 
Clearly there are problems among consumers not seeing reasons to upgrade their iPads.

Clearly the pundits think there are problems, it is not so clear that Apple is concerned. On the other hand I can see Apple caring about their slow decline in the EDU space, and wanting to give those folks a way to stay with iPads.

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Clearly the pundits think there are problems, it is not so clear that Apple is concerned. On the other hand I can see Apple caring about their slow decline in the EDU space, and wanting to give those folks a way to stay with iPads.

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That's also true. But there are many people who love their iPads and don't see reasons to upgrade. The vast majority of iPads out there are over 2 years old and that's a problem for selling new product.
 
128GB + LTE iPad Pro = 820-830€ shipped lowest online price

128GB + LTE iPad 7th gen = 669€ shipped from apple, probably will sink as low as ~570€ by Fall

150€ difference
cheaper (unauthorized or home) repairs
better battery life probably
maybe cheaper cases if you score a killer deal on a 4 year old Air case/keyboard
no Pro camera bump :)
no Air1 mute switch :(

overall awesome option

and, sorry, no more buying A8 gen here no matter the price or thickness. not in 2017.

sad there's no A9 based Mini 5
 
I'm waiting for screen and performance reviews (as compared to Air/Air2). But currently 95% decided to buy one as a mini2 replacement.

My only concern is that they may introduce some kind of soft distinction between iPad/iPad Pro in iOS11 to separate those lines more clearly...
 
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A9 + 2GB ram (still unconfirmed but come on iPhone SE has 2GB) is almost same-gen as the iPad Pro 9.7" (A9X + 2GB), and those won't be left behind for a while

nothing to worry about till iOS 13 or 14, possibly more

Also it's interesting to note that the seventh not-pro iPad (or iPad 5th gen in apple speech) will probably stay on top as the latest and greatest "iPad SE" for 1.5-2years or more. Think iPad Mini 4 or AppleTv 4.

Whereas buying the current Pro one could dump a ton of money on a device on the death row, with same* priced A10X based devices on shelves just a few months down the road.


*unless 9.7/12.9 are never upgraded to A10 and Apple just introduces the new 10.5" crazy (and ultrapremium if OLED) redesign
 
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Just though is the iPad 2017 9.7" is a recycling old iPad 2 ?

Not sure I understand.
This 2017 iPad is a frankenstein of
- ipad air1 chassis and display
- iphone 6S/SE brain (maybe slightly overclocked)
- ipad air2 lack of mute switch (ipad air1 cases will show an unused opening there)
- plus slightly brighter display compared to air2
- ipad air1 32.4Wh battery, the biggest one in the last 4 years
- I'm too lazy to check whose LTE bands and photo/video recording capabilities it borrows from
 
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Smart move from Apple. I think this puts the nail in the coffin for Android tablets. For everyone deciding between Androidland and iPad, there's no reason not to go iPad now: Price, build quality, better performance - it all comes together now.
Not really

It depends what you need from your tablet and what OS you prefer
 
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Nothing personal Tsuchiya, but I think it is hysterical that people have been screaming bloody murder about Apple's obsession with thinness and weight, and when they *finally* relax and make something a teeny, tiny bit thicker and heavier*, it is "disappointing".

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* 1.4 mm, and 32 grams(!)

I agree that it's a small difference, but I guess I'm disappointed by the idea of a compromise. A thinner device isn't a bad thing if overall, it doesn't suffer for it (i.e. lower powered components, or a smaller battery). With the case of the new iPad, the added thickness comes from what I assume is a step backwards in terms of the display.
 
Not sure I understand.
This 2017 iPad is a frankenstein of
- ipad air1 chassis and display
- iphone 6S/SE brain (maybe slightly overclocked)
- ipad air2 lack of mute switch (ipad air1 cases will show an unused opening there)
- plus slightly brighter display compared to air2
- ipad air1 32.4Wh battery, the biggest one in the last 4 years
- I'm too lazy to check whose LTE bands and photo/video recording capabilities it borrows from

I just thought that they used the body of iPad 2 and reused it yes new stuff inside, they had to sell iPad to people that can't afford to pay the hi price, for example i going to use my iPhone 6+ for long time before i buy a new one, I used to buy every new one that come out but not any more for $1000 I can buy many thing that I have to not that I want to.
 
Nothing personal Tsuchiya, but I think it is hysterical that people have been screaming bloody murder about Apple's obsession with thinness and weight, and when they *finally* relax and make something a teeny, tiny bit thicker and heavier*, it is "disappointing".

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* 1.4 mm, and 32 grams(!)

Sorry to 'disappoint' you, but the criticisms leveled at the new iPad have very little to do with the increased weight or thinness.

People have to stop spinning the news the way they see fit.

And for the record, I like the increased weight and thickness. Hopefully, the new iPad has better battery life than the Air2.
 
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Smart move from Apple. I think this puts the nail in the coffin for Android tablets. For everyone deciding between Androidland and iPad, there's no reason not to go iPad now: Price, build quality, better performance - it all comes together now.

Android still offers better (or at least, different) functionality. I replaced my Nexus 7 with an iPad Mini 4, which is the superior tablet in every measurable respect, but I still miss some of the simple things that the OS allowed for, like better file management and customization.
 
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Android still offers better (or at least, different) functionality. I replaced my Nexus 7 with an iPad Mini 4, which is the superior tablet in every measurable respect, but I still miss some of the simple things that the OS allowed for, like better file management and customization.
Yah but I don't miss the instability and literal blown up phone apps, atleast iPad has a full ecosystem of apps designed specifically for the larger screen.
 
Yah but I don't miss the instability and literal blown up phone apps, atleast iPad has a full ecosystem of apps designed specifically for the larger screen.

Each platform certainly has its pros and cons. I agree about the lack of true tablet apps on Android. It wasn't as bad on a Nexus 7 since its display isn't that much bigger than some large phones anyway, but it was still obvious that many apps were not designed to make the most of the tablet form.
 
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Android still offers better (or at least, different) functionality. I replaced my Nexus 7 with an iPad Mini 4, which is the superior tablet in every measurable respect, but I still miss some of the simple things that the OS allowed for, like better file management and customization.

Even I use android phone, in tablet world I would say apple dominate the market. Just check out the android tablet app vs ipad app stats and compare the quality then you would know.
 
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Yah but I don't miss the instability and literal blown up phone apps, atleast iPad has a full ecosystem of apps designed specifically for the larger screen.

I'm not sure what unstable Android apps you allude to...the ones that I use work fine and get updated just like the apps on iOS.

Yes, Apple's App Store has the deepest and most varied selection, but the Google play store is quite respectable FAI.

As for apps specifically for the larger screen, even iOS can do more in that dept as the bigger screen real estate on the 12.9" iPads is often, underutilized.

Apple's own apps could use some updating in that dept.
 
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Sorry to 'disappoint' you, but the criticisms leveled at the new iPad have very little to do with the increased weight or thinness.

It is early, and I am still drinking my coffee, but what are you talking about? I was responding directly to someone who was unhappy with weight and thickness, among other things.

People have to stop spinning the news the way they see fit.

Huh?

And for the record, I like the increased weight and thickness. Hopefully, the new iPad has better battery life than the Air2.

Yes, it appears we are both happy about the new iPad. So what are you on about?

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I'm waiting for screen and performance reviews (as compared to Air/Air2). But currently 95% decided to buy one as a mini2 replacement.

My only concern is that they may introduce some kind of soft distinction between iPad/iPad Pro in iOS11 to separate those lines more clearly...

I'm thinking about doing the same as a mini 4 upgrade, faster processor and similar screen.
 
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the added thickness comes from what I assume is a step backwards in terms of the display.

Well, nobody has seen the display so it might be a little early to be unhappy about it. I have the mini 4, and while the screen is very nice it is a grease magnet compared to the mini 1. In addition it seems almost unclean-able.

And thickness might not be due just to the screen. With a 17% larger battery, the new iPad could have excellent battery life. I am waiting for the reviews.

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It is early, and I am still drinking my coffee, but what are you talking about? I was responding directly to someone who was unhappy with weight and thickness, among other things.



Huh?



Yes, it appears we are both happy about the new iPad. So what are you on about?

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I think you should review your post then because, you sure sent out some mixed signals.

People will pick what they like and don't like w/the new iPad. But the ones complaining that it is heavier and thicker (in a bad way) are in the minority.
 
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