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ohms12

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Thought I liked it - but unless your finger is perfectly placed on the slide toggle to change volume/brightness all you do is move the control centre pane around. Rather irritating. I'm not even sure if there's a fix, considering the only reason it happens is to allow you to move between the two control centre pages. Ugh.
 
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Paco II

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How exactly does solve the problem? If I'm listening to Music and want to change a song I have to swipe up and then to the right. If I then want to toggle wifi I have to swipe left. If I then want to change the song I have to swipe again. It's really absurd.

For those complaining about the music being on the second page, I don't see this as a problem as it remembers which page it was on last.
 

C DM

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How exactly does solve the problem? If I'm listening to Music and want to change a song I have to swipe up and then to the right. If I then want to toggle wifi I have to swipe left. If I then want to change the song I have to swipe again. It's really absurd.
It's not absurd, it's a design decision to keep things from being cluttered up. Perhaps some might think a different design is better, like the cluttered up one, but it doesn't really make this design absurd.
 

lagwagon

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How exactly does solve the problem? If I'm listening to Music and want to change a song I have to swipe up and then to the right. If I then want to toggle wifi I have to swipe left. If I then want to change the song I have to swipe again. It's really absurd.

You're making it sounds way worse than it actually is. Classic case of overblowing something out of proportion. It's funny how people can get so upset over this. You're making it sound like you need to use each CC card every 2 minutes and will have to constantly swap between the two.

At the end of the day it makes way more sense to have music controls in a separate card. It doesn't make sense for full music controls to be mixed with other things like settings. It was far too cramped previously.

Settings in one and music in another allows opportunity for more options that CAN be added in the future without having to cram it all around music controls...Which might actually be happening sometime in the beta. There was a post where someone found in the code and ran it through iOS simulator in Xcode a new cellular option for CC.
 

Paco II

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That's somewhat funny, as that is how I really use it. It happens. And has been said many times, the control center should be to provide fast access to controls. Moving to a multi page approach undermines this. Making something appear more organized is not always the way to make it efficient. It can in fact have the opposite affect.

You're making it sounds way worse than it actually is. Classic case of overblowing something out of proportion. It's funny how people can get so upset over this. You're making it sound like you need to use each CC card every 2 minutes and will have to constantly swap between the two.

At the end of the day it makes way more sense to have music controls in a separate card. It doesn't make sense for full music controls to be mixed with other things like settings. It was far too cramped previously.

Settings in one and music in another allows opportunity for more options that CAN be added in the future without having to cram it all around music controls...Which might actually be happening sometime in the beta. There was a post where someone found in the code and ran it through iOS simulator in Xcode a new cellular option for CC.
 

Paco II

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It actually does. That's what opinion is about. Which you of all people should know quite well.

It's not absurd, it's a design decision to keep things from being cluttered up. Perhaps some might think a different design is better, like the cluttered up one, but it doesn't really make this design absurd.
 

C DM

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It actually does. That's what opinion is about. Which you of all people should know quite well.
Well, if we are going to split hairs, you are certainly welcome to the opinion of it being absurd, just as I would be to the opinion that that would mostly be hyperbole.
 
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ianeb

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I used to use the pull down from top to quickly change track, which is no longer there. It's not over to the left either so it seems the new cc card for music is the main focal point of controlling music when not in the app. It does indeed remember where you last was which is helpful, I'll get used to it for sure just like every other change in iOS over the years! In a few months we will use a device running an older version of iOS and wonder how we got by!
 

ianeb

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They just need to make them as smooth and easy to use as the new scrubber inside the new Music app. That new one is so easy to hit 10/10 times. Probably the best slider they've ever made (which sounds silly to say)
I heard Tim Cook saying that on-stage in my head when I read that! "It's the best slider we've ever made, and we're really proud of it"!!
 

lagwagon

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I heard Tim Cook saying that on-stage in my head when I read that! "It's the best slider we've ever made, and we're really proud of it"!!

You left out the "we think you'll really love it" :p

But honestly it is such a nice feeling slider and that's all they need to do to CC sliders to eliminate any false taps pulling the CC card instead of the slider.
 
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ianeb

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You left out the "we think you'll really love it" :p

But honestly it is such a nice feeling slider and that's all they need to do to CC sliders to eliminate any false taps pulling the CC card instead of the slider.
That did come to mind too! "And we are really excited to show it to you! We made a video for you, here it is"

It is a much better implementation that the previous slider which I could rarely move on first attempt. Good job Apple
 

stooovie

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If Apple needs more space to accommodate bigger UI elements, they can just USE MORE SPACE on the screen. They aren't limited by 2/3 of the screen. It's not like users can interact with apps while being in Control Center. More swiping to reveal audio control is undiscoverable and totally unnecessary.
 

Feenician

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If Apple needs more space to accommodate bigger UI elements, they can just USE MORE SPACE on the screen. They aren't limited by 2/3 of the screen. It's not like users can interact with apps while being in Control Center. More swiping to reveal audio control is undiscoverable and totally unnecessary.

Some of the screen cannot be reached comfortably with one hand on most devices by most people.
 

GreyOS

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Some of the screen cannot be reached comfortably with one hand on most devices by most people.
I dunno, if you are going to argue that it's hard to reach the top of the screen, doesn't it follow that every part of iOS should be designed not to have buttons in the top half? Fortunately that problem was mostly solved with Reachability and a change in people's holding habits. So I'm not sure how strong that argument is, though Control Centre is about quick access so I suppose it's an exceptional case.
 

Feenician

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I dunno, if you are going to argue that it's hard to reach the top of the screen, doesn't it follow that every part of iOS should be designed not to have buttons in the top half? Fortunately that problem was mostly solved with Reachability and a change in people's holding habits. So I'm not sure how strong that argument is, though Control Centre is about quick access so I suppose it's an exceptional case.

So I think you asked a question, then answered it quite succinctly. Reachability is the band-aid solution for one handed access in the rest of the system. Since control center is all about short, fast interaction the solution is not to extend too far up the screen.
 

stooovie

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It's not absurd, it's a design decision to keep things from being cluttered up. Perhaps some might think a different design is better, like the cluttered up one, but it doesn't really make this design absurd.

Mm, no. It introduces more clutter, OR, it just hides stuff into more subscreens. That's not simple design, that's just hiding inelegant designs. No matter how you slice it, more actions and mental activity is now needed where it wasn't needed before.
 

C DM

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Mm, no. It introduces more clutter, OR, it just hides stuff into more subscreens. That's not simple design, that's just hiding inelegant designs. No matter how you slice it, more actions and mental activity is now needed where it wasn't needed before.
Less things in a more reachable fashion introduces more clutter? And while there might be more activity, it's hardly anything that will be an actual issue for anyone, and only occasionally to top it off at best. But, once again, I haven't been saying this is great design or anything like that, simply that it's not "absurd".
 

GreyOS

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Less things in a more reachable fashion introduces more clutter? And while there might be more activity, it's hardly anything that will be an actual issue for anyone, and only occasionally to top it off at best. But, once again, I haven't been saying this is great design or anything like that, simply that it's not "absurd".
I think the iPad version is absurd :D
 
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Feenician

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I think the iPad version is absurd :D
I think there's rationale in that at least. While the design seems optimized for phone, especially the larger ones, scaled up to iPad it seems to make less sense. Its not egregiously bad or anything but it certainly looks like they've put consistency (between iPhone and iPad) above optimization for each.

I still think people are massively overthinking it and really reaching to find a some huge issue where one doesn't exist though. I can't imagine such micro-analysis of a simple ui element happening for any other platform. It starts to sound a little... desperate.

Edit: tidied up a couple of typos. Walking and typing :oops:
 
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mattoligy

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iOS on iPad would greatly benefit from a MacOS esque Notification Center that is swiped in from the right side which has multiple pages housing Notification Center, Today View and Control Center.

If that raise questions about where split screen multitasking would be accessed from check this post out...
 
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