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It’s like I’m living in some bizarro world reading these comments that are biasly ignoring the fact that Apple keeps MacOS secure while allowing other app stores and applications to be installed w/o their permission.

Macs are not as secure as iPhones.

One lesson learned by enterprises with PCs is to lock down the device to drive support costs down and security up.
 
Everything you just said is completely wrong.
I've been working in this industry for over 20 years. No I'm not some low level CSR. ;)

Amex processing fees are in line with Visa/MC. Have been for over a decade.
You'd be hard pressed to find a company that didn't accept and an Amex card, short of merchant exclusivity agreements (Costco, Sam's Club, etc)
Debit card processing fees are actually higher.
Third party processors (Stripe, Square, etc.) are the one who usually set differentiated fees for card transactions.
in the EU, especially a lot in the UK most businesses have signs up saying we dont accept american express
 
I actually rather like dongles. It's fun to connect things together. In fact, sometimes I wish my dongles had their own dongles 😂
Let's take it to another level. Have you ever tried this?

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The job of the government is to regulate... without them, everything would be up to the companies.

This is absolutely within the purview of the government, and it absolutely shouldn't be Apple's choice because we already know they wouldn't comply because they want to monopolize the App Store rather than allow proper competition to it.
There is a fine line between regulating vs interfering. Right now the EU is interfering into aspects that they should not have control of. What happens if the EU say that all phones have to be foldable or all phones have to have a gov't controlled off switch? This much control will be abused at some point.
 
or as folks who been saying choose another platform if you don't like it, choose another app if that app you are using requires sideloading.

Yes, but today we don't have to since most developers are forced to be in the one App Store.

We don't want the developers to have any choice.
 
iMessage is often barely interoperable with itself. So many syncing issues it’s unreal, and if you use a wired internet connection on your iPad then forget about it. Better off with two cups and a piece of string. The chance of Apple even having the ability to make it work across entirely different systems is roughly zero.
Yeah, the messaging components of this proposal are... weird. I'll bet they have to implement a host of changes to those rules once they start trying to implement them.
 
It’s hard to imagine there aren’t talks at this point of Apple just removing iMessage functionality entirely in the EU as a flippant response. Sosumi.

Does anyone in Europe really use iMessage enough to care about it? Surely only people with friends in America ever use iMessage 🤣
 
It only benefits developers and advanced users who like to configure their device.

The problem is that you might be forced to use other application stores with widely different UI and policies to get the apps you want.
The very last thing I want in the world is to have to deal with 50 different app stores. My god. WHY??!? Where is the advantage for ME, the CONSUMER!?!?

Hell, why not just have each and every major corporation have its own App Store? Then you can try to keep up with all of that crap. Hard pass.
 
This is good news for all of us. We do not benefit when Apple is allowed to operate as a monopoly.

I benefit from it. I don't benefit when developers get more power since most developers are horrible human beings, or work for one.

I want developers to have as little freedom as possible and be forced to what Apple tells them to do.
 
I've said it multiple times, if Tim really wants the world to believe him when he says the App Store is about security, all he has to do to cut the legs out from under every single argument against him is just stop taking a commission on purchases in the store and IAPs.

Hasn't happened, of course. Because that's not what the App Store is about. That's never been what it was about.
Owning a hospital can be about patient care. But you won’t see them operate for free.
 
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I agree with the option to allow sideloading... but proceed at your own risk. I have a feeling that we're going to see some very interesting Apps come to iPhone, and iPad.
 
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No it’s not. I’m still on iPhone since it is closed and can’t be open by some toggle. This takes away my choice. If I want to side load I’ll get Android. Thanks. That is the choice here.
That's not a choice for iPhone users who depend on iMessage etc. who also want to sideload... they have no choice.
 
If all the app developers are suddenly going to leave the App Store because you can sideload, why hasn’t that happened on android?

There’s what, one major app that’s not on the play store?
Exactly! But it the exact opposite way you mean. Why force Apple to allow something that no one wants?

I can't understand why Americans do not applaud the idea that companies are forced to give them more choices. For example the choice to install an app that is not approved by Apple.
Ignoring your American stereotypes, I reject your framing that choices are only being added. They are also being taken away. The EU legislation is forcing Apple to abandon a business decision that makes them different from their competition without any clear consumer benefit.
 
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This is great news! This'll force Apple to keep innovating and we as customers get to benefit!

Another benefit: iOS will be as secure as macOS, and we get to sideload otherwise censored/blocked apps by Apple or governments. It was starting to look like a dictatorship..

So a downgrade then.
 
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I used to have a choice whether I wanted an open or closed ecosystem, and now the EU, where I don't even live, has decided that I can only have open ecosystems, mostly for the benefit of EU companies that want to make money from that ecosystem. A sad day if this ever goes that far, and I would definitely support a pullout of the EU by Apple.

Shame on the EU.
 
How can you equate the two? I consider device selection trivial; not so with a relationship.
It is the same thinking: If you do not like how something works, just go somewhere else! If you do not like how your boss treats you, switch the company! If you do not like the new mayor of your city, move to another city! If you do not like everything Apple does, move to Android!

A more productive way would be making changes instead of leaving and sometimes those changes have to be forced from a higher authority, because a single consumer does not have the power.

Imagine some food has unhealthy ingredients and other food does not. The consumer could still choose the healthy food, but the best for the consumer is if the EU forces all food companies to get rid of some ingredients that are very unhealthy. That way the consumer gets more options.

The EU also forced cell phone providers not to charge any money for incoming calls. In the US I can remember that I had to pay for an incoming call on my cellphone. Maybe there were also providers who did not charge for incoming calls, but if governments simply forbid charges for incoming calls, that maximises the options for the customer.
 
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