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I've been watching this thread with some interest.

I sold my G5 about 3 months ago fully expecting the 2010 Mac Pro's to be released around April at the latest.
I'm using an 17" MBP which is fine for most things but I do run out of juice when running large Logic sessions.

I'm really getting to the stage of needing a new desktop and probably going to have to bit the bullet soon on a used MP.
Is there any real info out there about new MP's or is this all speculation?
If one isn't released sometime before WWDC, then expect Steve Jobs to announce a refresh at the keynote on June 7th.
 
octatonic - ironing the kinks out is a real issue if you are starting a new assignment with a new computer system.

Also - there can be the announcement date - followed by a shipping date - followed by actual delivery & QC - followed by getting all your peripherals sorted & software loaded - followed by updates / driver issues / followed by some run time.

Good point you made.

Yes, this isn't my first rodeo.
I find it is good to have a test run.

Audio in particular seems to be very installation specific.
It doesn't take much to upset the delicate balance between different pieces of tech and then you are screwed, pulling out your hair with a lot of unimpressed people standing over you with their arms crossed wondering why they put their trust in you.

Bring on Tuesday.
Or the next one.
Or the next one.

(sigh)
 
"...unimpressed people standing over you with their arms crossed wondering why they put their trust in you"

That is the scenario that all professionals want to avoid and may well be the major point as to why purchasing the current system is not such a crazy idea if you have an assignment starting.

Oh well - another Tuesday soon, and then.... :confused:
 
Maybe the latest front page story, the leak of the next MacBook, is good news for a Mac Pro update. It looks as though the next MacBook is ready to go. I'm wondering if Apple would just update the MacBook or if maybe it could be part of a bigger announcement of new hardware.
 
If one isn't released sometime before WWDC, then expect Steve Jobs to announce a refresh at the keynote on June 7th.

By then our studio kit will be obsolete and officially unrepairable - oh crap! - thanks for your support Apple!
 
Are we taking bets on whether they switch fully to USB3 and drop FW altogether?

I need FW personally, so Murphy's Law would apply here I reckon.
 
Dropping FW on USB3's first run would be ridiculous for a pro machine. It would be asking everyone to either use inferior USB2 interfaced external devices, or buy all new external deviced that are USB3 capable.
 
FW will get dropped when Light Peak ships on Mac Pros, considering you'll be able to connect FW devices to Light Peak.
 
I agree - doubt that there will be many new firewire devices in design - too little & too late in getting to market.
Not only that, but the LP parts are cheaper than the FW PCIe bridges' current pricing (~$13 for FW vs. $10 for LP). And even fractions of a penny matter when production quantities are taken into consideration (i.e. $.001 * 100k = $100 saved), so $3 per system really matters.

Then you take into the added capabilities, such as increased bandwidth (100MB/s for FW vs. 1.25GB/s for LP = 12.5x increase), it's a win-win for board makers and users alike.
 
Maybe the latest front page story, the leak of the next MacBook, is good news for a Mac Pro update.

I doubt. If this is the product number the Australian Macworld reported about... it'll be a new MacBook and that's it.
 
Yes I'd like to up my Mac Pro 1,1 2006 model to the 2010 model.
I put in an Icy Dock 2.5"-3.5" for my 160 Intel SSD and see an improvement!
Keep thinking they should use the 2.5" SSD form factor, man we'd have room for 8 HD's! For my audio recording that would be cool!
Of course the $$ of SSD's will come down too.

1000 gb x's 8 would just rawk!

Later
 
FW will get dropped when Light Peak ships on Mac Pros, considering you'll be able to connect FW devices to Light Peak.

Just give us at least one eSATA port! I don't need 4x FW800 ports anymore since eSATA is much faster for external drives.
 
Not only that, but the LP parts are cheaper than the FW PCIe bridges' current pricing (~$13 for FW vs. $10 for LP).

Where have vendors announced finished LP parts at, let alone pricing ? Quick search didn't turn up that kind of pricing. Also, like this rumor/forum points out http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2070106 , the cabling for LP is more expensive.

What's up with the notion that FW is too late. It is old. It is so old it is surprising the PCI-e chipsets are still around those quoted prices. [ If it is a reference to FW3200 that is not a computer peripheral tech. ]


Then you take into the added capabilities, such as increased bandwidth (100MB/s for FW vs. 1.25GB/s for LP = 12.5x increase), it's a win-win for board makers and users alike.

However, you are going to need more PCI-e lanes to run 1.25GB/s. May run into bottlenecks trying to hook that up to a more mainstream I/O hub chipset.
 
Dropping FW on USB3's first run would be ridiculous for a pro machine. It would be asking everyone to either use inferior USB2 interfaced external devices, or buy all new external deviced that are USB3 capable.

Or, since a MacPro, a FW PCI-e card you plug in a FW card. Apple has dropped tech without warning before and pushed folks into buying add-ons to bring it back. Not that is the correct thing to do, but have done it. If it gets Steve'd , it is dead.

Apple at times drives folks onto newer tech.
 
If one isn't released sometime before WWDC, then expect Steve Jobs to announce a refresh at the keynote on June 7th.

Apple removed Mac OS X design awards from WWDC. They also sharply reduced the amount of Mac OS X specific content in the sessions. The announced content for WWDC is far, far, more skewed to iPhoneOS than previous years. Why then would Jobs take 5-10 minutes of keynote time to cover a topic which Apple has deemphasized ? That would 5-10 minutes could not wax on about how magical the iPad and new iPhone are.


The MacPro update is much more likely to be a web release where they issue a press release.


If the delay is based on Intel not having their 32nm production not straighted out, then it is likely the MacPro announcement is waiting on that, WWDC. When Apple gets words have a guaranteed stream of 5600 processors coming then would announce at that point.
 
With every Tuesday that goes by, I feel better and better about pulling the trigger . . .

Peace
policy
 
If apple releases the Macbook (https://www.macrumors.com/) before they release the MP. I am going to be super mad.

Why? For several years Apple has been updating XServe at an average of a year between updates ( https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//#Xserve 360 days is roughly a year. )

The MacPro is going to drift to be a similar update cycle over time because they are going to be similar in quantities sold and targeted markets. Seriously, what is wrong with a server/pro class machine coming out once every year ?

Now they are both late this year. Given you might end up on a wait list to get a similar item from HP or Dell is indicative that it may not be completely be Apple's lack of attention.

As far being in front of the MacBook. Different market. The historical average is closer to 1/2 a year than a year.

Again... that release seems to be have been held up to wait for Nvidia to release the 320m (and smooth out production). Otherwise all of the components in the recent rumor match components that are already out on the market. Primarily a speed bump.

Most likely the MacPro is going to be a speedbump too. The major change being swamping out 5600 for 5500 series Xeons. ( There is a wrinkle as to what Apple does with the 3xxxx single processor units. There is only one processor package there in the 3600 series. Again is Intel gets their 32nm production straighted out and flushes out the 3600 line with more entries that would also clear the board for Apple to release MacPros. )
 
Just give us at least one eSATA port! I don't need 4x FW800 ports anymore since eSATA is much faster for external drives.

eSATA is almost as big of a "dead ender" as FW is. Why put eSATA on for one MacPro edition before it gets superseded by USB 3.0 on the next iteration?
2-3 years ago maybe, but now?
 
I was thinking....If Apple phase out the Mac Pro and funnel existing pro users into a high end iMac, after a couple of years they will be able to argue that the new iMacs are the fastest and most powerful Macs they've produced and nobody will be able to say otherwise.

The problem I have with the iMac design is that it doesn't allow for upgrades of a GPU at all and changing the hard drive is rather awkward at best. Typically, I'd like to get 2 or 3 GPU upgrades into a pro machine's life cycle given the cost outlay.



Apple are all about the bottom line these days. You can't blame them I guess, it's just business. It's a bit painful for pro users who have a genuine fondness for the values Apple used to have and which they still like to trade on. Seems the pendulum has swung the other way and they're on a search and destroy mission for new revenue streams.

Problem is, OS X is just too good a platform for me to drop. Even if I end up having to use a PC workstation again for rendering, I imagine it will just be a rendering box and the bulk of the creative and setup work will still be done on a Mac.

Lack of GPU updates for macpros has me thinking of one of the next iMac's. Would need an SSD boot drive, and build a NAS for all my other storage needs... iMac would need minimum 2x gigabit ports to be decent though.
 
eSATA is almost as big of a "dead ender" as FW is. Why put eSATA on for one MacPro edition before it gets superseded by USB 3.0 on the next iteration?
2-3 years ago maybe, but now?


USB 3.0 is a dead end as well with LP on the way - same logic.

The beauty of the MP is the ability to expand it to meet your specific needs - add a Firewire 3200 card or a usb 3.0 card or a LP card or whatever.
 
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