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selling older models at lower prices is not working so if they can hit that $550 price point for India and China - they will. they are selling nothing in India.
Who says selling older models is not working? The iPhone 7 is currently one of the best selling smartphones in parts of Western Europe, as just one example. What do you means ‘it’s not working’?
 
selling older models at lower prices is not working so if they can hit that $550 price point for India and China - they will. they are selling nothing in India.
You are mistaken. You will see for yourself at the keynote in a month.
 
one possibility is there is an international version for the 6.1 that is at a lower price point than the "Regular" 6.1

Hard to pull off but if anyone could it'd be Apple.

i.e.
6.1 International for india/ China etc. $550 with domestic feature oriented 6.1 at $650.
To do that is to cheapen their current reputation for quality. They’d never do such a thing because it would create pressure to provide a similar budget model in other markets which would hit sales of the rest of the lineup and drag the iPhone brand downmarket.
 
The only problem with not lowering the price of the X variant to be closer to the 6.1” iPhone is it will be absolutely annihilated in sales as there will be no incentive to pay that little bit more. I think Apple will want average consumers to be tempted by two options rather than just one.

Annihilated In sales, I think your being overtly dramatic. There really is no one to challenge Apple at the 700 dollars and up category.

Exactly the same thing was said when the x was launched in regards to the iPhone 8.

And parroted repeatedly during the first two quarters of release.

People will pay extra for a phone with a smaller footprint with premium features, such as Oled and stainless steel.
 
Annihilated In sales, I think your being overtly dramatic. There really is no one to challenge Apple at the 700 dollars and up category.

Exactly the same thing was said when the x was launched in regards to the iPhone 8.

And parroted repeatedly during the first two quarters of release.

People will pay extra for a phone with a smaller footprint with premium features, such as Oled and stainless steel.
I was talking about the average consumer not the niche end of the market though. People will pay more for what you say, but the vast majority of iPhone users have older models or look at the £700 price point. The 6.1” LCD iPhone will have a new look and form factor which is similar to the X but significantly cheaper. Why would the average consumer pay £300 more? Is the average consumer as focused on the marketing of stainless steel and OLED as tech geeks on here for example? I think like last year the price will play a key role.

Where I live the 7 and 8 are currently the biggest sellers. I get the impression the X is hugely popular in the US market due to it being a similar price to what the 8 is in Europe so we have very different appeals depending on which market you look at.
 
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These phone prices are getting stupid now. There is no way I would pay £1200 for a phone
 
You are mistaken. You will see for yourself at the keynote in a month.
I’m not mistaken as the nunbers are the numbers

Check out iOS vs android market share in

- United States
- eu
- India
- China

One of these is not like the others
 
I was talking about the average consumer not the niche end of the market though. People will pay more for what you say, but the vast majority of iPhone users have older models or look at the £700 price point. The 6.1” LCD iPhone will have a new look and form factor which is similar to the X but significantly cheaper. Why would the average consumer pay £300 more? Is the average consumer as focused on the marketing of stainless steel and OLED as tech geeks on here for example? I think like last year the price will play a key role.

Where I live the 7 and 8 are currently the biggest sellers. I get the impression the X is hugely popular in the US market due to it being a similar price to what the 8 is in Europe so we have very different appeals depending on which market you look at.

The same was said about the the iPhone X. average consumers spoke and the iPhone X was the best selling iPhone every quarter since launch.
iPhone 8plus was up there too but not because it was 100 dollars cheaper.

It’s getting quite tiresome. You keep mentioning where you are as some indication as to how Apple will operate going forward. There is simply no correlation.

Come to London or any major metropolitan city, everyone has an iPhone X.
 
Who says selling older models is not working? The iPhone 7 is currently one of the best selling smartphones in parts of Western Europe, as just one example. What do you means ‘it’s not working’?

Apple ASP says otherwise.
The iPhone 7 and older devices fill a niche with the price sensitive Apple user.
 
The same was said about the the iPhone X. average consumers spoke and the iPhone X was the best selling iPhone every quarter since launch.
iPhone 8plus was up there too but not because it was 100 dollars cheaper.

It’s getting quite tiresome. You keep mentioning where you are as some indication as to how Apple will operate going forward. There is simply no correlation.

Come to London or any major metropolitan city, everyone has an iPhone X.
I don’t want you to feel like discussing with me is tiresome, and if it is let’s cut it dead. I’m responding to you respectfully and not trying to belittle your opinion. I live very close to a capital city and am not some hick who has never seen the bright lights. I don’t mention where I am to offer a correlation as to how Apple is operating going forward at all, that’s an outright lie. I think our exchanges here are over.
 
I think the 10 will be 900 to 1000, the 10 Plus will be 1200 and up. The 9 will be around 750.

Now will be interesting to see if the low end models still have 64GB, and how much the X drops down to at retail below Apples price cut in it.
 
You tried to analyse iPhone X sales based on your location. You were wrong get over it.
I think you’ll find you did exactly the same. You dismissed my opinion and suggested London was representative because ‘everybody has one’ despite not having a clue where I’m from. It sounded elitist and false.

Answering in a rude tone doesn’t win you anything.
 
These phone prices are getting stupid now. There is no way I would pay £1200 for a phone

I wouldn’t pay $1200 for an iPhone either, but I don’t think it will be that high. And even if it is, that would be the *highest* storage model they would offer for that price point. I still believe Apple actually will reduce the prices this year of the 5.8 iPhone X and start the 6.5 at approximately $1000.
 
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I think you’ll find you did exactly the same. You dismissed my opinion and suggested London was representative because ‘everybody has one’ despite not having a clue where I’m from. It sounded elitist and false.

Answering in a rude tone doesn’t win you anything.

I mentioned London to refute your blanket statements, but by no means did I base any analysis on that, mentioning London bothers you, it shows.

Your opinion was wrong but that didn’t stop you from plastering it in every single iPhone x thread as fact, it was beyond tiresome and quite sophomoric in tone as is your current post.

You didn’t get an iPhone X, get over it, instead of labeling it and Apple a failure for introducing a price point your weren’t comfortable with.

Making things up doesn’t win you anything either.
 
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I wouldn’t pay $1200 for an iPhone either, but I don’t think it will be that high. And even if it is, that would be the *highest* storage model they would offer for that price point. I still believe Apple actually will reduce the prices this year of the 5.8 iPhone X and start the 6.5 at approximately $1000.
I hope your right
 
Here are my guesses for pricing, and this is based off of two assumptions. The first is that the iPhone 8 is selling very very well at the $699 price point, and the second is that the X is also selling fairly well at the $999 price point.

iPhone 9 (6.1 inch screen): $699
iPhone Xs: $899
iPhone Plus: $999

In general I think Apple is going to have a super cycle this year due to the iPhone 9 selling really well. They can potentially keep the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus around as lower cost models too. I currently have a Galaxy S9 (i bounce back and forth b/w Apple and Samsung), but I'm tempted to get a used 2017 iPhone X, or the 2018 iPhone XS.
 
I mentioned London to refute your blanket statements, but by no means did I base any analysis on that, mentioning London bothers you, it shows.

Your opinion was wrong but that didn’t stop you from plastering it in every single iPhone x thread as fact, it was beyond tiresome and quite sophomoric in tone as is your current post.

You didn’t get an iPhone X, get over it, instead of labeling it and Apple a failure for introducing a price point your weren’t comfortable with.

Making things up doesn’t win you anything either.


To be fair, I think all he is trying to say is that not as many people care about having the latest iPhone as they did a few years ago. As someone who also lives in the U.K (and about half an hour from London) I can certainly say this is my experience too. I barely know anyone who has an X, and I see far fewer of them out and about than at the equivalent point in the 4/5/6 cycles.

This is probably due to a combination of the new phones being considerably more expensive, and (perhaps even more significantly) the older devices still being very capable. At this point a 6S or above is “good enough” and that is probably the view the average consumer takes.

It does seem apparent that both the need and desire to upgrade to the latest iPhone is somewhat diminished compared to the 2010-2015 period
 
I was talking about the average consumer not the niche end of the market though. People will pay more for what you say, but the vast majority of iPhone users have older models or look at the £700 price point. The 6.1” LCD iPhone will have a new look and form factor which is similar to the X but significantly cheaper. Why would the average consumer pay £300 more? Is the average consumer as focused on the marketing of stainless steel and OLED as tech geeks on here for example? I think like last year the price will play a key role.

Where I live the 7 and 8 are currently the biggest sellers. I get the impression the X is hugely popular in the US market due to it being a similar price to what the 8 is in Europe so we have very different appeals depending on which market you look at.
The data backs up what you said as reported here on MR
Older iPhones continued to be popular as well, with the iPhone 7, 7 Plus, SE, 6s Plus and 6s making up 46 percent of sales
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/25/iphone-8-plus-top-selling-q2-2018/
 
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To be fair, I think all he is trying to say is that not as many people care about having the latest iPhone as they did a few years ago. As someone who also lives in the U.K (and about half an hour from London) I can certainly say this is my experience too. I barely know anyone who has an X, and I see far fewer of them out and about than at the equivalent point in the 4/5/6 cycles.

This is probably due to a combination of the new phones being considerably more expensive, and (perhaps even more significantly) the older devices still being very capable. At this point a 6S or above is “good enough” and that is probably the view the average consumer takes.

It does seem apparent that both the need and desire to upgrade to the latest iPhone is somewhat diminished compared to the 2010-2015 period
Thank you. You’ve summed up very well the point I was making.
 
I wonder how many would go for the iPhone “9” if Apple keeps the x at $1000, puts the X+ at $1,100 and then the 9 at $699.

But let’s say The iPhone 9 has 3GB of memory, has an A11 processor like the iPhone X from 2017 but comes in 4 to 5 different colour options with a single rear camera.

Not saying Apple will do this but I’m curious how many would opt for the iPhone “9” if this is what happens.
 
Believe whatever you want. You will see in due time I'm right.
You should probably stop saying that given your prior point is factually wrong

Even if apple doesn’t lower it from 650 to 550 officially there is talk tbeoffer specific market discounts for the first time in India To
I wonder how many would go for the iPhone “9” if Apple keeps the x at $1000, puts the X+ at $1,100 and then the 9 at $699.

But let’s say The iPhone 9 has 3GB of memory, has an A11 processor like the iPhone X from 2017 but comes in 4 to 5 different colour options with a single rear camera.

Not saying Apple will do this but I’m curious how many would opt for the iPhone “9” if this is what happens.
the pricing for the x last year was abnormal because it was considered next years tech and they offered you the normalized pricing w/. the LCD models.
this year it should be a closer to the normal 700/800 price level - I think 899/999 max for the XS and XS+
 
You should probably stop saying that given your prior point is factually wrong

Even if apple doesn’t lower it from 650 to 550 officially there is talk tbeoffer specific market discounts for the first time in India To
I’ve said nothing wrong. It’s not worth this exchange anymore. The 6.1” iPhone will be no lower than $650. The X 2nd gen will not be lower than $900. It won’t be cheaper in any other countries. Your predictios are simply wrong. Goodbye, and enjoy seeing the truth in a month.
 
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