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:confused: The current iPhone 3G would have MORE grip than one with a textured back. One of the things people like about the 3G vs the original is that it doesn't slide out of your hand because it isn't textured. Texture means less surface area to grip on to which means less grip. Thats why racecars have slick, smooth tires and not grooved ones.

I think people are confusing surface types. The 3G iPhone has a slick & smooth surface. What most seem to be saying here is a surface that is more grip friendly would be nice. I have an Air Jacket for my iPhone and its very thin and has a surface that's easy to grip. Your point about texture has less surface is completely wrong. Texture actually creates greater surface area. Race cars (NASCAR, Indy, Formula 1,....) having slick tires misses the point because are gripping to a smooth surface. A slick tire would be worthless if they were on a rally car where the cars race on various surfaces. In those cases, the tires have groves so that they can grip dirt, grass, sand or other surfaces.

I don't think anyone can say that the current 3G iPhone has a lot of grip while the Air Jacket looks smooth, its really textured and does have grip. The material of the phone needs to change as well to effectively make it more grip friendly.
 
:confused: The current iPhone 3G would have MORE grip than one with a textured back. One of the things people like about the 3G vs the original is that it doesn't slide out of your hand because it isn't textured. Texture means less surface area to grip on to which means less grip. Thats why racecars have slick, smooth tires and not grooved ones.

yes, racecars obviously have smooth plastic tires? you mean; smooth textured rubber, like the new iphone? :)
 
I am almost 100% certain that the logo on the back will not be just a glowing logo, but it will be used for the camera flash.

There is 100% no way it's a flash. Flashes can't be opaque.
If they were, they wouldn't cast enough light to be an effective flash.

- That said, an apple logo flash would be a great idea for apple.
Great place to integrate a flash in the current design.
- What better marketing than burning your logo into the retinas of those getting their pictures taken! :p
"Do you see spots too?"..."No I see Apples."
 
There is 100% no way it's a flash. Flashes can't be opaque.
If they were, they wouldn't cast enough light to be an effective flash.

You should tell that to photographers who run their flashes through umbrellas to diffuse the light and create a softer look. They might be shocked to discover that what they're doing is impossible.
 
There is 100% no way it's a flash. Flashes can't be opaque.
If they were, they wouldn't cast enough light to be an effective flash.

- That said, an apple logo flash would be a great idea for apple.
Great place to integrate a flash in the current design.
- What better marketing than burning your logo into the retinas of those getting their pictures taken! :p
"Do you see spots too?"..."No I see Apples."

Not exactly true, they do make flash diffusers, which are opaque. When I had a point and shoot, I cut a hole in an opaque film canaster to use as an diffuser. Worked great.
 
Okay so if you put together a matte black ( rubbery texture ) and no chrome bezel, you have a pretty boring looking phone, seriously Apple's design team isn't that lazy.

Thinking about larger demographic , not us macrumorians...rumorans? san diagons? ANYWAY, you have to look at this from a business standpoint of: exposure, difference between product lines, and the consumer appeal.

I agree with you on the first one.. They must come up with something more original than just changing the back and removing the chrome..
The only time Apple didn't change an ipod-version relatively radically was from 1st gen. to 2nd gen.. Only difference back then was storage and touch sensitive wheel (as opposed to mechanical wheel on 1st gen.).

When it comes to the second one, you are pretty much missing what Apple is all about. When Jobs came back, he clearly stated that a "bloated" product line was not the way to go. They went from 17 (i believe?) different mac-ranges down to 4: powermac, powerbook, imac, ibook. Simplification.
Apple has proved that this concept works; high margins and the more focus on fewer products. Apple even publicly claims that Apple TV is a hobby, not to confuse it with a product-line they are really dedicated to (like the mac-brand).

Although iPods have become a lot cheaper over the last few years (and a lot more models), these are not to be confuses with premium brand names like "mac" and "iphone". These things will always be expensive products, and don't need little brothers. An iPhone nano would be the same as a netbook. Not happening.
Well, anyway, that's what I believe... You're free to prove me wrong :)
 
A glowing Apple logo...hmm don't you think that will eat extra battery? No, No, No...that wont happened. Hopefully rest of these features will be there :D

Err.. the glowing Apple logo, if implemented, will reflect the LCD screen glow.. Just like it's already done on MacBooks. It has zero impact on battery life.
 
You should tell that to photographers who run their flashes through umbrellas to diffuse the light and create a softer look. They might be shocked to discover that what they're doing is impossible.

Heh, yep, after the previous user's comment I was alarmed to realize that the diffuser I keep on my Nikon Speedlight all the time was forcing me to break the laws of physics... :D
 
Err.. the glowing Apple logo, if implemented, will reflect the LCD screen glow.. Just like it's already done on MacBooks. It has zero impact on battery life.

Except that the rest of the phone is behind the screen. On a MacBook, the computer is in the body and just the LCD is in the screen. Come on man... think about it.
 
I agree with you on the first one.. They must come up with something more original than just changing the back and removing the chrome..
The only time Apple didn't change an ipod-version relatively radically was from 1st gen. to 2nd gen.. Only difference back then was storage and touch sensitive wheel (as opposed to mechanical wheel on 1st gen.).

When it comes to the second one, you are pretty much missing what Apple is all about. When Jobs came back, he clearly stated that a "bloated" product line was not the way to go. They went from 17 (i believe?) different mac-ranges down to 4: powermac, powerbook, imac, ibook. Simplification.
Apple has proved that this concept works; high margins and the more focus on fewer products. Apple even publicly claims that Apple TV is a hobby, not to confuse it with a product-line they are really dedicated to (like the mac-brand).

Although iPods have become a lot cheaper over the last few years (and a lot more models), these are not to be confuses with premium brand names like "mac" and "iphone". These things will always be expensive products, and don't need little brothers. An iPhone nano would be the same as a netbook. Not happening.
Well, anyway, that's what I believe... You're free to prove me wrong :)

On the second one I meant to tell the difference between the old 3G model and the new one, BUT there was still the speculation of iPhone Lite which would still leaves only 3 variations of the iPhone:

iPhone Lite: 8GB thinner lighter than the 3G but same features at $99

New iPhone: 16gb and 32gb models with new features mentioned here at $199 and $299 respectively

that's 3 models, that doesn't look bloated to me. they always have a high end, mid and low end.

iPods
high end: 32gb Touch

mid: Nanos

low end: shuffle

Macbooks
high end: Macbook Pro 15" 17"

mid: Macbook Aluminum

low: White plastic Macbook

Macs
high end: Mac Pro

mid (still high): iMac 24"

low: iMac 20"

iPhone ( as of now )
high end: 16gb

low end: 8gb


there is no mid range, all the other products have them. Apple is missing a gap of potential sales here. iPhone definatley needs one, or as I said iPhone Lite becomes the low range while the New iPhone 16gb and 32gb become mid and high. That prove anything for ya :) ?
 
So on this new 3G I might finally get the 3G speed that was initially demonstrated with the current iPhone 3G?

AT&T is improving, but their 3G network still needs a lot of work. The coverage is still very choppy and the speeds are all over the place. Never once have I had 3G speeds that were "close to WiFi speeds," as Steve Jobs said. In face, at this point I would rather have better 3G coverage than improved speed in the areas with coverage.
 
You should tell that to photographers who run their flashes through umbrellas to diffuse the light and create a softer look. They might be shocked to discover that what they're doing is impossible.

They don't run it through umbrellas, but let the light bounce off the inside to diffuse it.

The flashes of "normal" cameras are strong enough to still be effective when using a diffuser. I doubt that IF there would be a flash behind the apple logo that it would be strong enough to be used with a diffuser. It would be more logical if it would be a conventional flash with a window that has some internal ridges like your ordinary point and shoot pocket camera.

It still would be great though if there would be an effective flash behind the logo.
 
Err.. the glowing Apple logo, if implemented, will reflect the LCD screen glow.. Just like it's already done on MacBooks. It has zero impact on battery life.

If the apple glows it will probably be an LED, which would have almost zero impact on battery life. There's a lot of stuff between the screen and apple logo in an iPhone that isn't there in a macbook.
 
really? if you have wifi you are most likely near a computer of some sorts... why not just go on it - if you are somewhere else the extra 2 seconds of loading time on wifi isn't that bad.

What? :confused:
Wifi (on phone, or otherwise) is all about mobility. If you're just going to default to hoping on a computer then what's the point in you even having an iPhone? Just use your laptop and get a crappy free phone (or no phone at all, if that's your stance).

And "Most likely"? Not really at all likely.
Wifi network present != available computer.
Especially considering the countless number of free open wireless APs out there.
Statistically speaking, you're FAR more likely to be away from home and so not near an accessible computer when you encounter an open AP.
Think about it, unless you carry a laptop wherever you go, you can only be assured access to a computer at your home (even then, it's debatable if your family shares it), so with number of free wifi hot-spots you're likely to encounter at airports, fast-food joints, restaurants, schools, libraries, coffee shops, friend's houses etc is going to FAR OUTNUMBER the possible single hotspot you have at home.
 
The flashes of "normal" cameras are strong enough to still be effective when using a diffuser. I doubt that IF there would be a flash behind the apple logo that it would be strong enough to be used with a diffuser.

This is true. That said, I haven't seen any non-diffused flashes on cell phones that are effective either. In fact, the flash on my little Kodak point-and-shoot is pretty much worthless unless you're right in the face of your subject and there's a decent amount of ambient light.

What the iPhone needs is a hotshoe on top to which I can connect my Speedlight. ;)
 
blackout period/ matte iphone finish

Just to add more fuel to the fire, a friend of mine who works for the only american company who carries the iphone ( everyone knows who i am talking about) has stated that there is a blackout period in august. What does this mean? probably the launch of the new iphone.

No design specs have been leaked out however, although a matte finish would be very nice, my iphone does not walk out the door without a case. As far as the running of background apps are concerned, back in march apple has said that they would not be running background apps due to the fact that it would kill battery life fast and also hinder the overall speed and performance of the phone.

Cant wait for the launch, it should be awesome... and down with the palm pre!!!!!!!
 
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