Next iPad needs to have something special that the iPhone doesn´t have

[jclardy]

Just wondering, what would you want the iPad to have over the iPhone? I think you still wouldn't buy it if it made you toast for breakfast.

iPad has a bigger screen which enables bigger apps. Do you create documents on your iPhone? You can but a bigger screen is better in that situation. Music creation apps are actually usable.

And for the record the iPad is running at a faster clockspeed than iPhone 4 according to benchmarks run by Tom's hardware. Man, who would want a phone that is slower than an iPad

 

[MRU]

I thought we had turned this thread around. Bobhail came back and destroyed it once more.

For the sake of your sanity. All who enter here, beware. Illogical argument and self opinionated meritless rants await.

I'm outta here.

 

[iThinman]

sharks. lasers.


you do the math.

 

[Helmigurt]

I think we all should stop caring how much RAM, processor, gpu speed, etc. our iOS products have compared to their brethren and compared to the android, etc. crowd. In the end I want a product with an amazing usability, and apple usually delivers, especially with their latetest two iphones (3gs + 4) and the ipad.

I don´t care if some other phones have more mhz or the ipad has badder specs than the latest iphone, if they deliver the performance.

Scrolling a list on a samsung galaxy s and an ipad or iphone shows me why i like my apples!

(As many of you pointed out: The iPhone should have more features (like cams, display resolution. etc.) then the iPad because it´s more expensive! (iPad 16 GB 499€ in Austria, iPhone 4 16GB unlocked ca. 600€) When you compare the 3G models they are actually the same which is fine by me.)

Hell we need a few real competitors! So everybody innovates faster and my future arrives earlier! ;-)

 

[slashcrashcup]

I think they should be different products, that´s why I made this thread. iPad should always be more powerful than iPhone, no matter if a new iPhone is released 5 months after iPad release.

Ahhh, but it is different and more powerful. You fail to see the IPad's best feature. It's the anti-BobHail feature. If they added anything to it, the IPad may not retain the feature I so cherish the most. You see, it keeps the loonies from having one and therefore we have nothing in common. My work here is done...

 

[My name is Alex]

I thought we had turned this thread around. Bobhail came back and destroyed it once more.

For the sake of your sanity. All who enter here, beware. Illogical argument and self opinionated meritless rants await.

I'm outta here.

Yeah, me too. Went to sleep almost forgetting the first 9 pages of the thread. Then I woke up. Damn it Bob.

 

[ditzy]

I thought Bob had left the forum, you know when it became perfectly clear that the iPad had become a huge success after telling everyone that it would be a huge flop.
Obviously now that he can't pull the whole it will be a flop thing, he has to move to ridiculing those that bought the iPad.
The iPad isn't the product for you, we get it. I'm not going to try to convince you to buy one, I really don't care whether you do or don't.
Why do you care so much about what other people want to buy? And why do you find it so hard to believe that other people have made the right decisions for themselves, just because that decision might have been the wrong one for you?

 

[Krishna21]

...besides the bigger screen of course, but that´s not enough for the money. It needs to have something special, something that the iPhone doesn´t have. Preferably hardware related.

Now it just lacks lots of the features and specs that the iPhone does have. Plus iPhone has one major advantage, portability. So the iPad is basically waste of money, not even the "luxury item" that some people calls it.

Hopefully the next one will be better. So what could be that special feature, ideas?

Camera? HD?
Like HD that fills the whole screen?


Advance retina

 

[Night Spring]

I think they should be different products, that´s why I made this thread. iPad should always be more powerful than iPhone, no matter if a new iPhone is released 5 months after iPad release.

Why exactly do you feel this way? Because the iPhone is "just a phone"? And phones shouldn't be more powerful than a tablet computer? It used to be that notebooks were always less powerful than desktops, until they evolved and now a higher end notebook can be more powerful than a mid-range desktop. There is nothing about the form factor of an iMac that should limit it to being less powerful than the MacPros. It's just that Apple happens to make them that way. If Apple decides to make the iPhone and iPad the "same" product with the only differentiating factor being screen size, what is wrong with that?

Truth is, other companies have been making tablet computers (with stylus input) for many years, and they were as powerful and full-featured as regular notebooks, but they never really took off, because being full-featured made them too expensive. I used to look at them, think of what I would use them for (reading books, Internet and email, perhaps light word processing, while on the go - when I was at home or the office, I'd use the desktop) and decide they were not worth it for the amount of use I'd get out of them.

IMO, Apple figured out the right feature-set and price range for a mobile device intended for light computing tasks, which would be a second or even third computer for most people. Or even fourth, if you have a desktop, notebook, an iPhone and an iPad. Personally, once I got my iPad, I couldn't stand using my iPod touch for anything more involved then playing music, but I do understand that other people might need/want the ultra portability of the iPhone's form factor, and if they are out using the iPhone as their on-the-go device, why shouldn't Apple cram in as much power into the iPhone as is technologically and economically feasible? They should hold back the iPhone just because it's not a full-size tablet? Conversely, they should soup up the iPad and price it out of what most users are willing to pay for a portable computing device, simply to differentiate it from the iPhone? Apple made a perfect choice. That's my opinion.

Now if only they would add a functional file system to iOS....

 

[Lunchb0x8]

Wanna know why my iPad wasn't a waste of money?

One thing I can use it for daily whilst still having my iphone as an option for quick emails and the like...

 

[Ciclismo]

Ah, so now the iPhone and iPad are the same products, like I´ve been saying all along and people have been fighting me on this. Funny how things change!

I think they should be different products, that´s why I made this thread. iPad should always be more powerful than iPhone, no matter if a new iPhone is released 5 months after iPad release.

The statement of comparison is in reference his iMac metaphor and not in relation to the iPhone and iPad. This would be evident if you were to read the post in its entirety.

 

[Ciclismo]

I thought we had turned this thread around. Bobhail came back and destroyed it once more.

For the sake of your sanity. All who enter here, beware. Illogical argument and self opinionated meritless rants await.

I'm outta here.

I wish I had read this before getting involved. Now where is that "ignore user" button? 'Cause it's got Bobhail's name all over it...

 

[saberahul]

I wish I had read this before getting involved. Now where is that "ignore user" button? 'Cause it's got Bobhail's name all over it...

Just report him... I'm sure he'll be banned in no time.

 

[Ciclismo]

Just report him... I'm sure he'll be banned in no time.

Banning someone solves little - he'll just come back with another alias and spout his drivel.

 

[SteveKnobs]

I took the advice on page 1 and skipped to page 10 given the "retardedness" that apparently was contained in the middle pages. But just from reading a few posts from the OP, I'm not sure why people argued with him for that long?? He's a joke. He can't be taken seriously, and I would bet my iPad that he never TOUCHED an iPad. I feel myself catching the "stupid" just for contributing to this thread.

Edit: If Bob's goal was to piss a bunch of us off with this thread, I think he won.

 

[hideoshi]

You absolutely are in delusion about materialism - complaining that an iphone is not needed by anyone simply because you don't need it. You're complaining that owning iphone is materialistic and that you can get a phone for $20 because he likes an iphone but doesnt see the need in an ipad.

What I said was clearly mocking the fact that people think the iphone is simply materialistic because only some people have uses for it. "It doesn't add anything to your life that could not be achieved with simpler things." Explain to me how I could guarantee 24/7 email responses for clients without an iphone? Right.

But no problem - you're right.

An iPad.

(I know I'm late to the party, just couldn't resist that one)

 

[BobHail]

Why exactly do you feel this way? Because the iPhone is "just a phone"? And phones shouldn't be more powerful than a tablet computer?

Basically yes. Would it be weird if all the bigger humans would be weaker than the smaller humans. Or all the women would be stronger than all the men. Get it? It just isn´t "normal".

It used to be that notebooks were always less powerful than desktops, until they evolved and now a higher end notebook can be more powerful than a mid-range desktop. There is nothing about the form factor of an iMac that should limit it to being less powerful than the MacPros. It's just that Apple happens to make them that way. If Apple decides to make the iPhone and iPad the "same" product with the only differentiating factor being screen size, what is wrong with that?

Yes sure, but the most powerful MacBook Pro cannot still be more powerful than the most powerful iMac and iMac cannot be powerful than Mac Pro. Otherwise it would be just wrong.

They should hold back the iPhone just because it's not a full-size tablet? Conversely, they should soup up the iPad and price it out of what most users are willing to pay for a portable computing device, simply to differentiate it from the iPhone? Apple made a perfect choice. That's my opinion.

Now if only they would add a functional file system to iOS....

I wouldn´t mind if the iPhone and iPad would have exactly the same features, just like iPod Touch and iPhone has (except the phone of course). What kills me is that the iPad is so stripped down with all the cool features. They should have at least made two versions for people to decide: Stripped down version and full feature version. I might have actually bought the full version.

Plus of course, ´cause the iPad is bigger, it always should be more powerful than the iPhone or the iPod Touch or at least the most powerful version of the iPad should be.

But I still think iPad needs some of it´s own special features too and not just the bigger screen. To me this is not a feature, it´s just a bigger screen. Just like MacBooks, iMacs and monitors have different sizes, just different sizes of screens and sometimes the bigger screen can be good for certain purposes and sometimes it can be not so good than the smaller one (portability), so what´s the big deal?

 

[My name is Alex]

1. Basically yes. Would it be weird if all the bigger humans would be weaker than the smaller humans. Or all the women would be stronger than all the men. Get it? It just isn´t "normal".



Yes sure, but the most powerful MacBook Pro cannot still be more powerful than the most powerful iMac and iMac cannot be powerful than Mac Pro. Otherwise it would be just wrong.



2. I wouldn´t mind if the iPhone and iPad would have exactly the same features, just like iPod Touch and iPhone has (except the phone of course). What kills me is that the iPad is so stripped down with all the cool features. They should have at least made two versions for people to decide: Stripped down version and full feature version. I might have actually bought the full version.

Plus of course, ´cause the iPad is bigger, it always should be more powerful than the iPhone or the iPod Touch or at least the most powerful version of the iPad should be.

But I still think iPad needs some of it´s own special features too and not just the bigger screen. To me this is not a feature, it´s just a bigger screen. Just like MacBooks, iMacs and monitors have different sizes, just different sizes of screens and sometimes the bigger screen can be good for certain purposes and sometimes it can be not so good than the smaller one (portability), so what´s the big deal?

1. I don't know if they're the best examples
2. Apple didn't know how people would react to iPad. So they had to keep the cost of the device Down to make more profit per unit than they usually would. They expected the iPad to go to the early adopters, and then start to make it's way into the mainstream. But apparently most people saw the advantages and the awesomeness of the device and it went into mainstream straight away. That's why this iPad isn't the same as iPhone 4. But next revision should correct most if this.

 

[BobHail]

1. I don't know if they're the best examples
2. Apple didn't know how people would react to iPad. So they had to keep the cost of the device Down to make more profit per unit than they usually would. They expected the iPad to go to the early adopters, and then start to make it's way into the mainstream. But apparently most people saw the advantages and the awesomeness of the device and it went into mainstream straight away. That's why this iPad isn't the same as iPhone 4. But next revision should correct most if this.

Yeah I get what you mean, but like I said, mainstream success doesn´t make a product or an artist or whatnot necessarily good, we´ve seen this many many times. Mainstream usually just means that the artist/product sucks and there are endless examples today of this and always probably will be.

I´m not saying of course that this is always the case! Sometimes (rarely) mainstream success is deserved.

We´ll just have to see what Apple has in mind for the next iPad, I got my hopes up.

I was just hoping we could speculate about it, but I guess that´s impossible...?

 

[My name is Alex]

We´ll just have to see what Apple has in mind for the next iPad, I got my hopes up.

I was just hoping we could speculate about it, but I guess that´s impossible...?

Apparently so...

 

[Night Spring]

I wouldn´t mind if the iPhone and iPad would have exactly the same features, just like iPod Touch and iPhone has (except the phone of course). What kills me is that the iPad is so stripped down with all the cool features.

I'm not seeing that much difference between the iPhone and iPad feature-wise. The most obvious difference is the lack of camera, but other than that the only difference I'm aware of are "invisible" ones, like CPU and less RAM. Frankly, I'm not interested in those points, my iPad is FAST. What do I care if the iPhone is faster? And there seems to be some question on that point, I remember reading about some benchmark tests showing the iPad performing faster than iphone4.

Oh, and of course, there is no phone, but you aren't saying the iPad should be a phone, are you?

Software-wise, not having iOS4 means the iPad is missing a lot of features (but being jail broken, I'm not missing any major software feature ), but that will be remedied in November, when Jobs has promised that all iOS versions will be "unified."

I agree with Alex's point about how Apple may have held back the iPad because they were worried about reception, and breaking in a new product category. And I'm sure Apple will be expanding their touch screen device lineup, and we will see more and more powerful tablets in the future. But I'm not sure thinking about this as "features exclusive to the iPad" is helpful. We should just talk about what features we want to see on the iPad, and forget about the iPhone -- personally, I can't think of any feature I'd like on the iPad that won't also be useful on the iPhone. Trying to think of features only for the iPad might really be stymying the conversation.

Oh, and that reminds me, we'll just have to agree to disagree about your feeling that it's "wrong" for a tablet to be less powerful than a phone. I just don't see any reason why physical size should have any correlation to computing power.

 

[Ciclismo]

I was just hoping we could speculate about it, but I guess that´s impossible...?

Could've been a good thread if someone hadn't been a numpty.

 

[blackNBUK]

I was just hoping we could speculate about it, but I guess that´s impossible...?

You haven't exactly made it easy by dismissing the central feature of the iPad ie. the big screen!

Adding a few features here, a couple of cameras there and a bit more processing power inside isn't going to significantly alter the experience of using an iPad. If you don't like the iPad now I don't see iPad 2 changing that.

It makes economic sense for Apple to keep the iOS family fairly close together. It means that development costs for the A4 chip and it's successors, and the software of the operating system can be shared. It also makes the job of App developers easier as they don't have a wide spread of platforms to target. Somewhere in the future I can see the iPad line splitting off and becoming more powerful as people start to write tablet Apps that require more resources than a phone can sensibly provide. However I think that is still some time away.

 

[MRU]

I was just hoping we could speculate about it, but I guess that´s impossible...?

WE ? Seriously WE ?

But you have offered NOTHING to the debate you initiated. You have contributed the least to your own thread other than troll it and you have the audacity to post "I was just......"

Unbelievable.

 

[mrathee]

The statement of comparison is in reference his iMac metaphor and not in relation to the iPhone and iPad. This would be evident if you were to read the post in its entirety.

+1

Finally someone that reads.

An iPad.

(I know I'm late to the party, just couldn't resist that one)

Mother of god. I HAVE AN IPAD. THAT IS WHAT I USE IT FOR!

lol read the entire thread before picking a single post to reply to dude. That specific post was in reply to someone saying that the ipad is a materialistic piece of trash, and that people can get $20 phones from the post office that do what they need.

My reply was what you were quoting.