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PerfectDB

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The 2 battery capacity rumour might not be all that bizarre. The G2 has two different battery sizes; a Korean version with a 2610mAh removable battery and the international version with 3000mAh built-in. Both model have practically the same dimensions, so it may be possible to fit a larger 3000mAh battery in the 32GB without increasing the size' maybe using LG's new stepped battery tech?
 

KentuckyHouse

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The 2 battery capacity rumour might not be all that bizarre. The G2 has two different battery sizes; a Korean version with a 2610mAh removable battery and the international version with 3000mAh built-in. Both model have practically the same dimensions, so it may be possible to fit a larger 3000mAh battery in the 32GB without increasing the size' maybe using LG's new stepped battery tech?

This, my friends, is an excellent point. I'd forgotten about the 2 variations of the G2.
 

onthecouchagain

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No, it will only be worse. The distance your thumb has to move from one corner to the opposite corner is still getting bigger, not smaller.

Don't people complain that due to the actual size of the device, it's difficult to "shift" your hand to reach for the opposite corner of the screen? My understanding is that the physical size is a factor in the ability and/or inability to use a device one handed. People are always talking about "compromising grip" which increases risk of drops to reach across the screen.

That's what I often read about.

I also read that people actually do like a larger screen, but not necessarily a larger device, preferring edge to edge. If the Nexus 5 increases the screen from 4.7 to 5" but keeps or even goes smaller (FCC filing says the dimensions are smaller than the N4, no?) then I think people will be happier about that.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and let's not forget about the whole all those "it won't fit in my pocket" folks. Physical size would change that silly argument, too.

No?
 

daveathall

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If one handed operation is essential, then IMHO people should stick with phones that allow that option, 5" phones (again IMHO) are not manufactured with this in mind. Me, hell, I will suffer the inconvenience and discomfort of using my free hand when needed, I will have set up my phone so that most of the time I can reach most things on the screen with one hand though.:)
 

jamezr

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If one handed operation is essential, then IMHO people should stick with phones that allow that option, 5" phones (again IMHO) are not manufactured with this in mind. Me, hell, I will suffer the inconvenience and discomfort of using my free hand when needed, I will have set up my phone so that most of the time I can reach most things on the screen with one hand though.:)

See...now that just makes way too much sense.......don't complain if the phone is too big...just don't buy it and move on. But the rest of us like 5 inch phones.....I have no problem using my S4 one handed most of the time. But I have no problem using 2 hands for the sake of the larger screen! :)
 

strausd

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Don't people complain that due to the actual size of the device, it's difficult to "shift" your hand to reach for the opposite corner of the screen? My understanding is that the physical size is a factor in the ability and/or inability to use a device one handed. People are always talking about "compromising grip" which increases risk of drops to reach across the screen.

That's what I often read about.

I also read that people actually do like a larger screen, but not necessarily a larger device, preferring edge to edge. If the Nexus 5 increases the screen from 4.7 to 5" but keeps or even goes smaller (FCC filing says the dimensions are smaller than the N4, no?) then I think people will be happier about that.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and let's not forget about the whole all those "it won't fit in my pocket" folks. Physical size would change that silly argument, too.

No?

Depends on the person and their personal preference. For people that don't want to feel like they are having to strain to touch opposite corners without adjusting their grip, this will only make it worse.
 

onthecouchagain

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Depends on the person and their personal preference. For people that don't want to feel like they are having to strain to touch opposite corners without adjusting their grip, this will only make it worse.

Maybe I'm not understanding... making a device smaller will cause more strain?
 

Lava Lamp Freak

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Maybe I'm not understanding... making a device smaller will cause more strain?

The strain is caused by having to reach from the bottom of the screen to the top. Screen size is what causes that strain. A smaller device makes it fit in the pocket better, but the strain is still there for one-handed use.
 

strausd

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Maybe I'm not understanding... making a device smaller will cause more strain?

No, keeping the same physical size but making the actual screen larger.

When you move your thumb from corner to corner, you are doing that because of the areas of the screen you are trying to reach. So a larger screen means you are moving a larger distance. Depending on how far you move your thumb, you might have to strain to do so without adjusting any other part of your grip.

It's simple. Let's say this is your phone:
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If for whatever reason the bezels were huge and the screen was only the green box, going from top left to bottom right corner with your right hand would be easy. If bezels were still large and the screen was the yellow portion, it would still be easy but your thumb would travel a larger distance even though the device is still the same size. Now if the screen is the dark orange area, without adjusting your grip you might start to strain to move your thumb from corner to corner. Then if the screen was the red area, you would really start to strain to move your thumb from corner to corner without moving any other part of your hand.
 

strausd

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Ah I get it. You're strictly speaking of the screen.

Well seeing as how many phones, like the GS4, GN3, and Nexus 5, are all trying to keep similar sizes and just reduce bezel, it seems most relevant to talk about screen sizes in relation to similar physical dimensions.
 

bmac4

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Well seeing as how many phones, like the GS4, GN3, and Nexus 5, are all trying to keep similar sizes and just reduce bezel, it seems most relevant to talk about screen sizes in relation to similar physical dimensions.

But is screen size really keeping that many people away from this phone? Heck most androids at this point are at least 4.5 inches. One handed use seems to be something Apple worries about with the iPhone. I feel like if you get an android at this point you are giving up most of the one handed use. Most people know that going in. Or at least that is the way I see it.
 

strausd

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But is screen size really keeping that many people away from this phone? Heck most androids at this point are at least 4.5 inches. One handed use seems to be something Apple worries about with the iPhone. I feel like if you get an android at this point you are giving up most of the one handed use. Most people know that going in. Or at least that is the way I see it.

Ya I'm not disagreeing with you. I was just pointing out that with the same physical dimensions hand strain can still increase.
 

bmac4

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Ya I'm not disagreeing with you. I was just pointing out that with the same physical dimensions hand strain can still increase.

Oh no doubt about that. One handed use in android has pretty much gone away. Unless you are a male with large hands.
 

blackhand1001

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The thing a lot of people not familiar with android fail to realize is that the top left corner is very rarely used in android as the dedicated back button frequently is used to go up a page. A lot of iOS converts may use the back action in the top left instead of utilizing the back button out of habit.

I have no problem using my galaxy nexus one handed. I can even reach that top corner to perform a go up a page function but rarely need to because of the back button.
 

onthecouchagain

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I really wonder how apple is going to switch their narrative about one handed use when a larger iphone comes out.

That's for another thread and time I guess.
 

bmac4

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I really wonder how apple is going to switch their narrative about one handed use when a larger iphone comes out.

That's for another thread and time I guess.

Yea it is, but Apple being so proud of one handed use has made their users feel like it is a must have. They are getting tired of Apple for not changing, but there option is android. Now they are want to try something like the Nexus 5, but don't think they can use it cause it want work one handed. It may just be me, but I never use my phone one handed. That is one of the reason I did not like my iPhone 5, or I got tired of it. When using two hands it was just too small. I prefer a "two handed" device. Nexus 5 seems perfect.
 

Sensamic

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With my new Nexus 7 I just don't see any need for another nexus device. Having the Nexus 7 and Nexus 5 would be just too similar.
 

strausd

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The thing a lot of people not familiar with android fail to realize is that the top left corner is very rarely used in android as the dedicated back button frequently is used to go up a page. A lot of iOS converts may use the back action in the top left instead of utilizing the back button out of habit.

I have no problem using my galaxy nexus one handed. I can even reach that top corner to perform a go up a page function but rarely need to because of the back button.

A majority of phone usage is just scrolling, which is easily done with one hand. But not everything is easily done with one hand.

For example, Google Music has the ability to switch between All Music and On Device music, but that option is in the top left corner, or pulling down the notification area and having a toggle in the top left corner, or also in the notification area hitting the time (on a Nexus at least) in the top left corner takes you to the clock app, or in the camera app doing tap to focus on a corner to get a specific shot you want.

For most phone usage you don't need two hands. But there are still a lot of things that are in hard to reach corners. Sure, on a 4.7" screen it is easy to hit those corners when you adjust your grip. But grip adjustments aren't always ideal, like if you are also holding your keys in the same hand. Or if you are someone who lies in bed while using their phone before going to sleep. On your back if you have your phone above you gravity is working against you. So hitting the top corners with one hand while gravity is working against you isn't always easy. Is it impossible? No. Is it annoying and cumbersome? Yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrqy2yq_E2A
 

THE JUICEMAN

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I can use my iPhone 5 one handed but I still have to shuffle my grip to reach the top of the screen at times. And I have big hands. So the super easy one handed use theory went out of the end window with iPhone 5 IMO.
 
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