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Nexus-N/Pixel XL ( 2016 )
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Sure, but I think the consensus here is that in order for these phones to succeed in general, they need to be available at all carriers. No customers on AT&T, T-Mobile, or Sprint are going to head to a Verizon store to buy a Pixel at full retail with no installment plans, especially at those prices.
The general public does NOT know this and does not care. They go to their carrier when it's time to upgrade and buy the best Android phone available for their carrier.
What is the big deal with carriers? I don't get it. Why would people want this? That is 2012 thinking.
I don't understand your point ? Someone on ATT or T-Mobile will not go to a Verizon store and pay the full $800 for the Pixel XL, they'd just buy it directly from the Google Play Store.
But the point of it being on carriers, like T-Mobile for example I'm on the JoD program ( Jump on Demand ) I can walk in, pay $0 nothing down, pick up a brand new flagship phone, and get billed $19/Month for that phone. And I can do that three times in 18 months, on any new flagship phone, I just return my current phone, pay nothing, and pick up the newest smartphone I'm interested in.
AT&T is awful who cares. Project Fi works on Tmo, Sprint and US cellular. It was have a payment plan via the Google Store. It will have a kiosk is best buy. The covers all carriers and not paying full price. What more do people want?
My reply button isn't working, but the reason carriers matter is because most people don't live on tech message boards and want to go through their carriers.
People also used to go to a bookstore to buy books? Times change and carrier lock downs, branding, subsidies, bloatware need to end. It is the biggest complaint around here then Google is a failure for not doing it?? Confusing.
Otherwise when paying full price for a phone, I'd just as soon get a OnePlus Three for $350, with pretty close to similar specs as the Pixel XL, but is half the price. And that begs the question, how can OPO make a OnePlus Three back in Spring of 2016 with pretty much current flagship specs for the time, maybe not 100% flagship spec'd, but very close, and sell it for $350. Whereas Google, a HUGE company worth BILLION$ can't make a OnePlus competitor ? I'd love to see a Nexus for the OPO pricing, and I'd be fine with a 1080p screen, and a few other spec's notched down, I just want a 5.5" screen, and like a 3,500mAh battery with the SD820 + 4GB RAM, and I'd be cool.
Oh look another thread of nothing but bitching for something that isn't branded Samsung. Big surprise.
I am hitting the pre-order button for that bad ass XL the second it hits Project Fi. In blue. Can't wait. This is the perfect upgrade over the 6p.
I am hitting the pre-order button for that bad ass XL the second it hits Project Fi. In blue. Can't wait. This is the perfect upgrade over the 6p.
If Google wants to attack apple (and/or Samsung) with phones they have to get 3 things right:
- price (not as expensive as an iPhone)
- availability on all relevant carriers
- a giant (!) marketing campaign so people are even aware of the product. I guess 99,9% of normal customers have never heard of Nexus devices.
- price (not as expensive as an iPhone)
- availability on all relevant carriers
- a giant (!) marketing campaign so people are even aware of the product. I guess 99,9% of normal customers have never heard of Nexus devices.
Oh look, even more reason why asking for carriers is a death wish:
https://twitter.com/jcase/status/783299377024512004
Verizon Pixel phone will not be bootloader unlockable based on test firmware, if you care about an easy root buy unlocked.
https://twitter.com/jcase/status/783299377024512004
Verizon Pixel phone will not be bootloader unlockable based on test firmware, if you care about an easy root buy unlocked.
Wow, gives new meaning to "shoot yourself in the foot", doesn't it?
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I'm curious to see how easy root ends up being, even Google is working hard to eliminate rooting. http://www.phonearena.com/news/If-y...s-Pixel-phones-weve-got-some-bad-news_id85686
So even if there is root, devs can block it at the app level. A prime example of this is Android pay and Pokémon Go. I'm not saying rooting is dead or impossible, no someone will find a way. But as with jailbreaking, with every generation that stifles it further and further, more and more people lose interest in it and don't care about it. You can see this in Cydia's app store, which is pitiful in terms of updates, most apps haven't been updated in years. I see this with Android, my Note 7 is rooted but looking through xposed modules the vast majority of these haven't been updated since 2013/2014, or before.
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I'm curious to see how easy root ends up being, even Google is working hard to eliminate rooting. http://www.phonearena.com/news/If-y...s-Pixel-phones-weve-got-some-bad-news_id85686
So even if there is root, devs can block it at the app level. A prime example of this is Android pay and Pokémon Go. I'm not saying rooting is dead or impossible, no someone will find a way. But as with jailbreaking, with every generation that stifles it further and further, more and more people lose interest in it and don't care about it. You can see this in Cydia's app store, which is pitiful in terms of updates, most apps haven't been updated in years. I see this with Android, my Note 7 is rooted but looking through xposed modules the vast majority of these haven't been updated since 2013/2014, or before.
The general public also used Alta Vista and Webcrawler until Google came out. The general public also likes McDonalds and Starbucks. Doesn't mean it is the better way and if anyone can have influence on how people purchase cell phones google can do it.
I just don't see why they would go on Tmo and directly compete with Project Fi. If you want it on Tmo, go to Project Fi. That is shooting that whole project down to open it to all carriers. Not going to happen.
I'm probably one of the few who thinks that Google should ditch the carriers. They have a ridiculous amount of money and brand recognition, the only thing they are missing is physical store locations. But you know what, Microsoft did it with a much less tested product, and they have a ton of stores now.
Ditch the carriers, promote the living heck out of the hardware and Project Fi, and open up some physical stores. The other requirement IMO would be a loss leader priced phone, but they already F-ed that up and released an overpriced phone so there goes that.
Not happy with the price, but someone in marketing thinks that if you want to be considered a top tier phone, you need to charge like one. And honestly, it might just work. The general public is pretty dumb. We will see where it goes.
I don't know, this sounds just like the failed launch of the Galaxy Nexus back in 2011 that had a Verizon exclusive. How'd that do for the popularity of the Nexus brand ? I don't think anyone even knew that phone was out, except us diehard nerds. And if you weren't on Verizon, you had to pay full flagship retail pricing for the phone.
And of all the major U.S. carriers, Verizon is the worst, just total tool bag Nazi company, why would Google think another Nexus device would be good to be exclusively on Verizon ? Whereas T-Mobile is the friendliest carriers to developers and cool with unlocked bootloaders, and they don't put a ton of crapware on their phones. Actually T-Mobile has the longest relationship with Nexus phones, they sold and stocked the Nexus-One, the Nexus-S, the Nexus 4, and the Nexus 6. No other carrier supported Nexus phones like T-Mobile.
And of all the major U.S. carriers, Verizon is the worst, just total tool bag Nazi company, why would Google think another Nexus device would be good to be exclusively on Verizon ? Whereas T-Mobile is the friendliest carriers to developers and cool with unlocked bootloaders, and they don't put a ton of crapware on their phones. Actually T-Mobile has the longest relationship with Nexus phones, they sold and stocked the Nexus-One, the Nexus-S, the Nexus 4, and the Nexus 6. No other carrier supported Nexus phones like T-Mobile.
Totally different. They have a much bigger advertising campaign already.
[doublepost=1475597207][/doublepost]Allo makes me SOOOO excited for more Google Assistant integration. That thing is absolutely amazing.