Ah, now that's interesting...... Canon went one better than Nikon by making their system truly versatile by creating adapters which work on both their mirrorless and their DSLR camera bodies. That would really keep their customers happy!
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Nikon Anticipates Huge Losses, Refocusing On Mirrorless Only
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That is not what I said. I was only referring to Canon products because that is what I use, but both Nikon and Canon produce adapters that allow for mounting older lenses to the new cameras. It keeps me happy as an old customer, since I can use the lenses I already have with both my DSLR cameras and the R6, while the new customer who does not have EF lenses can buy the new camera and lens. I can only assume that the Nikon users aren't unhappy about being able to adapt the excellent line of lenses to the new Z-series cameras.
Look in this forum and see what photographers are doing these days. You will notice that Canon users are adapting EF lenses (as well as Sigma, Tamron, and the rest) to the Canon R, R5, and R6. I am assuming that Nikon Z-series camera uses are also adapting older lenses to the new bodies:
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Crap - I need to think about selling my Canon DSLR gear and go mirrorless .... wait?
I made a post on that 1 year ago, and still not done it ... hmmmm
I have both types of cameras, and am not getting rid of the DSLR cameras and EF lenses. Instead, I can adapt the EF lenses to the R6, and mount the same lens, without the adapter, to the 5DII or 7D.
Alaska Moose, it wouldn't be surprising if I did misinterpret what you had written since I am pretty much totally unfamiliar with Canon and its offerings, but the impression I had was that you were saying that a Canon user could purchase an adapter and use that same adapter on both his or her mirrorless body and DSLR body. ?? Is that not the case?
From what I understand about Nikon, their FTZ adapter works only on the Z series mirrorless camera bodies with some, but NOT all of their vast selection of older lenses in the F-Mount series (one thing which gave me pause when making some important decisions a year or so ago). Yes, someone can slap the FTZ adapter and one of their not-so-old F-mount lenses on to a current Z Series mirrorless camera body and get satisfactory results. People here and people on Nikon Cafe have demonstrated that this works quite nicely. Unfortunately, with older Nikon lenses, one has to make compromises such as no longer having AF or worse, simply not having the lens compatible at all with the FTZ adapter. This was the situation I faced and it was unacceptable to me so I switched to a system which would work for me.
From what I understand about Nikon, their FTZ adapter works only on the Z series mirrorless camera bodies with some, but NOT all of their vast selection of older lenses in the F-Mount series (one thing which gave me pause when making some important decisions a year or so ago). Yes, someone can slap the FTZ adapter and one of their not-so-old F-mount lenses on to a current Z Series mirrorless camera body and get satisfactory results. People here and people on Nikon Cafe have demonstrated that this works quite nicely. Unfortunately, with older Nikon lenses, one has to make compromises such as no longer having AF or worse, simply not having the lens compatible at all with the FTZ adapter. This was the situation I faced and it was unacceptable to me so I switched to a system which would work for me.
The Canon adapters are similar to the Nikon ones in that once mounted on the mirrorless R, R5, and R6 I can use older Canon EF lenses that are designed for DSLR canon cameras. The new cameras (R, R5, and R6) have "R" mounts, while older Canon lenses have EF mounts.
Sigma, Tamrom, and other lens manufactures produce lenses with EF mounts as well as mounts for all other camera brands. I have no idea how well the Nikon adapters work on the Z-series cameras, but the three Canon adapters work perfectly with any lens designed with an EF mount.
All my Canon lenses are EF primes (I don't have any zoom lenses), so I am using them "adapted" to the R6, and without adapter on a couple of Canon DSLR cameras that I also have. However, the RF 100-500mm lens that I just purchased can only be used with the R, R5, and R6, and not with my two Canon cameras.
Also, all EF mounts have electrical contacts, while a lot of old lenses don't. In this case one can only focus the lens manually. The link to the photography forums I posted above can be used as research relating to the used of "adapted" lenses with Canon, Nikon, Sony, and other cameras.
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Thanks for clarifying things, AlaskaMoose!
As far as I know, Nikon only offers the FTZ adapter. Sony has recently put out an adapter so that people who have their older camera bodies and lenses can now use them with the current mirrorless series. And, yes, there are various third-party adapters as well.
I'll just stick with my native lenses, thank you, no adapters for me!
As far as I know, Nikon only offers the FTZ adapter. Sony has recently put out an adapter so that people who have their older camera bodies and lenses can now use them with the current mirrorless series. And, yes, there are various third-party adapters as well.
I'll just stick with my native lenses, thank you, no adapters for me!
I understand. But for me using the adapter saves me a bunch of money since I already have some lenses that are more expensive than a new Canon R5 or R6. Well...lest say 2 of my lenses put together, since I don't have any lens that costs over $3,000.Thanks for clarifying things, AlaskaMoose!
As far as I know, Nikon only offers the FTZ adapter. Sony has recently put out an adapter so that people who have their older camera bodies and lenses can now use them with the current mirrorless series. And, yes, there are various third-party adapters as well.
I'll just stick with my native lenses, thank you, no adapters for me!
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My only request of Nikon would be to put out an adapter with a focus drive for their subset of lenses that need it, for the photographers who want it. But yes, the adapters allow folks to use their stunningly good existing glass on a mirrorless body and transition as and when they see fit, or the lenses they need become available in their preferred line.
I always like to point out that this is in many ways a golden age of image making and it really doesn't matter which camera manufacturer you choose or whether you like or don't like adapters. IQ and capabilities (at least for stills) are going to be, for all intents and purposes, equivalent across the makers, it's just personal preference in a given ecosystem. Whatever works. Pick your tribe and have fun. I'll eventually add a mirrorless Nikon to my arsenal as a buddy to my d850 but no real compelling reason to do so just yet. When I do, I'll know that I'm in great hands adapter or not.
I always like to point out that this is in many ways a golden age of image making and it really doesn't matter which camera manufacturer you choose or whether you like or don't like adapters. IQ and capabilities (at least for stills) are going to be, for all intents and purposes, equivalent across the makers, it's just personal preference in a given ecosystem. Whatever works. Pick your tribe and have fun. I'll eventually add a mirrorless Nikon to my arsenal as a buddy to my d850 but no real compelling reason to do so just yet. When I do, I'll know that I'm in great hands adapter or not.
Trust me. The one thing Canon users can’t do is buy an adapter. We have orders outstanding since October!
That’s okay then! My Nikon collection was offended!
That is true. Luckily I got one last year. There are several adapter "knockoffs" available at all major stores (B&H, Adorama, Amazon, etc.), and these seem to work fine.
True. I got the JJC one, and it works wonderfully. Tight, robust, no issues. And half the price of the Canon one.
The Canon EF-R adapter ($99.00) is supposed to be dust and weather proof. But I haven't seen any complains about the non-Canon adapters at the photography forums I usually visit, and it seems that a lot of photographers are buying them.
By the way, some of the older Canon EF lenses such as the 100-400mm L are on backorder status in some stores, maybe because this lens works quite well adapted to the R5 and R6. IQ and sharpness from this lens is quite high, too. I was going to buy it, but my two favorite stores had it on back order, so I ended buying the RF 100-500mm.
Canon's 2020 financial results show drop in net sales, increase in profits for Imaging Systems business
Canon has released the full-year report for its 2020 fiscal year. While Canon's net sales were down, it's operating profit was up and the company is poised for a positive 2021 across the board.
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This article gives us a look at 2020 and its impact on the camera industry overall as we move into 2021...... The picture isn't so good for Nikon, nor has it been for a while.
A sentence from the section on MILC (Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Cameras):
"Finally, the continued absence of Nikon in the top three shows how competitive the sector remains and that to generate revenue, it desperately needs to increase its market share here."
If you read that article it only takes into account Japan and companies that report back to that BCN data aggregator.
none of this info is new. Why don’t we wait for Nikon’s year end at the end of March and then start drawing conclusions.
none of this info is new. Why don’t we wait for Nikon’s year end at the end of March and then start drawing conclusions.
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Of course I read the article prior to deciding to share it. That would be irresponsible not to do so.
Apparently the BCN monitoring of retail sales, etc., plus its annual awards to the top three is a big deal to the photography industry so that is why the results are reported around the world..... and in general, what happens in Japan can be a pretty good indicator of what is happening in other retail sales in other countries.
From the article:
"It's also worth remembering that the data is for Japanese sales and only for retailers that report back to BCN. In short, they represent some 40-60% of domestic Japanese sales and can't cover the contextual detail of sales in the broader Asia region, Europe, or North America. However, Japan is representative of some 15% of total shipments, so what happens in Japan is important for the whole market."
Apparently the BCN monitoring of retail sales, etc., plus its annual awards to the top three is a big deal to the photography industry so that is why the results are reported around the world..... and in general, what happens in Japan can be a pretty good indicator of what is happening in other retail sales in other countries.
From the article:
"It's also worth remembering that the data is for Japanese sales and only for retailers that report back to BCN. In short, they represent some 40-60% of domestic Japanese sales and can't cover the contextual detail of sales in the broader Asia region, Europe, or North America. However, Japan is representative of some 15% of total shipments, so what happens in Japan is important for the whole market."
I’m not sure why the obsession with Nikon’s financial performance and the death wish and death watch. They are not, in fact, close to shutting down. I’ve read no industry experts who think so. I have seen a ton of clickbait doom and gloom articles but best not to get too wrapped in those, of course, since they are just plain silly. I think everyone probably agrees they need to adjust their roadmap if possible and accelerate their Z lenses. Get a “pro” mirrorless body out the door for the Olympics should they ever happen again and maybe release the higher MP camera that’s been rumored. They will do these things and then we can presumably all go home , happily shooting the manufacturer of our choice.
, happily shooting the manufacturer of our choice.
Well Nikon seems pleased with their third quarter results.
seems like maybe that whole restructuring thing is well, doing what it’s supposed to do.
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seems like maybe that whole restructuring thing is well, doing what it’s supposed to do.
Nikon Q3 financial results are out: "record quarterly sales for mirrorless cameras" - Nikon Rumors
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