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When will the iMac be refreshed?

  • September/October Event

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  • March/April Event

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maflynn

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Don’t crush my dreams of a full redesigned iMac with proper cooling!
You mean like how they designed the 2018 MBP to be so well thermally managed. :p

Do you not think iPhones, iPads, Watches, and a few smaller bits, plus maybe the odd Mac update is too much for one September event?
Yes, that will more then eat up the time, don't forget Cook will spend time on why the iPhone/iPad is such an awesome platform by discussing some aspect of it, and/or showing a video.
 
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alien3dx

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Don’t crush my dreams of a full redesigned iMac with proper cooling!

Do you not think iPhones, iPads, Watches, and a few smaller bits, plus maybe the odd Mac update is too much for one September event?
It just will be
1. New IPHONE (Because it sell)
2. New IWATCH(Because it sell)
3. New Mojave (Needed to get rid of old support)
4. New IWATCH Operating System

What we really hope
1. New IMAC (We just introduce Mac Pro ? No staff to delegate)
2. New MAC MINI(Don't Sell)(No downgrade price and no stock )
3. New Macbook Air (Sell but lack of respond because some country even downgrade the price)
 

sublunar

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Don’t crush my dreams of a full redesigned iMac with proper cooling!

Do you not think iPhones, iPads, Watches, and a few smaller bits, plus maybe the odd Mac update is too much for one September event?

Apple generally don't mix iOS and macOS devices at this time of year. If we're getting a press release update the earliest it'll come will be 1-2 weeks after the iPhone/iPad event on the 14th to give time for press column inches to breathe - and we'd know that it would generally be a spec bump.

If Apple have seen fit to do a press release for the bump from 4 cores to 6 cores on the Touch bar MacBook Pros they might do the same for iMacs if there's no material change in the enclosure. The one difference here is that perhaps they didn't want Phil Schiller to be seen to be avoiding the keyboard issue with a live presentation of the 2018 MacBook Pro with touchbar.

You could say the same for the MacBook and non touch bar MacBook Pro - I'd even say the same with the replacement for the MacBook Air, especially if it inherits the third generation keyboard.

I can't see any major improvements to the iMac unless the 27" controversially adopts the iMac Pro cooling scheme (cue lots of cheapskates moaning).

Perhaps Apple will offer a headless alternative with upgradable RAM with sufficient grunt for $2k?

If the Mac Mini is something powerful they'd surely have to do an event on that - possibly retiring the 2013 Mac Pro - and giving a hint about the 2019 Mac Pro along the lines of it costing $4k+ so people don't wait for it only to be disappointed it's out of budget.
 
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Zdigital2015

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even 1k is absurd for me . 5k i'm better doing other business unless can get income 10x 5k per per 6 month to cover up the cost.
With all due respect, if even 1K is absurd, wouldn’t it be more productive for you to look at a Windows PC running Audacity or Reaper? Logic Pro X is $199 USD by itself. An Intel Bean Canyon NUC (i7-8559U) is $499 USD, add an m.2 NVMe drive and 16GB of DRAM and an OEM if Windows 10 and you should be (just) below a $1000 USD. I know Reaper and Audactoy lack Logic’s polish, but Windows does not lack for DAW’s to choose from, so I guess it also would depend greatly on what audio interface you use as well, since FireWire and Thunderbolt 2 have never played well on Windows, so that might be a huge deal for you. Just a suggestion.
 

alien3dx

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With all due respect, if even 1K is absurd, wouldn’t it be more productive for you to look at a Windows PC running Audacity or Reaper? Logic Pro X is $199 USD by itself. An Intel Bean Canyon NUC (i7-8559U) is $499 USD, add an m.2 NVMe drive and 16GB of DRAM and an OEM if Windows 10 and you should be (just) below a $1000 USD. I know Reaper and Audactoy lack Logic’s polish, but Windows does not lack for DAW’s to choose from, so I guess it also would depend greatly on what audio interface you use as well, since FireWire and Thunderbolt 2 have never played well on Windows, so that might be a huge deal for you. Just a suggestion.

Software pricing some of the windows maybe higher then you call Logic Pro X .

What really weird for me , is RAM . We paid 1k at least minimum 8 GB RAM for mac mini.16GB RAM for IMAC minimum because memory compression issue. Some of us which country don't have apple store to return in 14 days or upgrade it.
I had no issue for speed because i know "spotlight" and "cache" are the worst enemy of hard disk/ssd. Microsoft windows 10 also had same dread issue on this upon unknown read without authorisation which max read 100% even use SSD (i know but mostly normal people don't know and i really hate it) .

For now , i cannot afford even suggest people windows 10 . I rather ask them to ubuntu/downgrade windows 7/ windows server 2008r2 and vast of various advance application which not offer by windows counterpart.
 

Squirkytunkle

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You probably know better than me. I could be 100% wrong. It just seems like they could be better build with Logic Pro X and making music in mind....at least going forward with the newer models. The imac Pro airflow with 2 fans is a nice step forward, and hopefully should be in the new imacs within a year.


* What kind of music do you make? I'd be making multiple genres, but I definitely wouldn't want a base model. Seems weird to pay $2,000 for something so underpowered.

I dont consider myself any sort of an expert. It was just my own perception really. It would certainly be great if they can get the new 6 core CPUs in there with decent cooling. I do a lot of video work so this is where im looking to upgrade without going the iMac pro route.

I make a lot of experimental electro acoustic song based music in recent times that im looking to turn into audio visual projects. Ive been making soundscapes for many years before this. I do love Logic and it along with FCPX are why i still use Macs at this stage.

I can totally understand what you were saying before that if Logic was a multi platform based app that it might a PC a better financial lproposition for many of us. I think Logic actually was also on PC at version 4 or so when I started using it, but then Apple bought it out from eMagic and made it Mac only. To be fair to Apple, they have done great things with it over the years and they reduced the cost dramatically too (I think it cost around £800/$999 at version 6).

All the best.
 
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Zdigital2015

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Software pricing some of the windows maybe higher then you call Logic Pro X .

What really weird for me , is RAM . We paid 1k at least minimum 8 GB RAM for mac mini.16GB RAM for IMAC minimum because memory compression issue. Some of us which country don't have apple store to return in 14 days or upgrade it.
I had no issue for speed because i know "spotlight" and "cache" are the worst enemy of hard disk/ssd. Microsoft windows 10 also had same dread issue on this upon unknown read without authorisation which max read 100% even use SSD (i know but mostly normal people don't know and i really hate it) .

For now , i cannot afford even suggest people windows 10 . I rather ask them to ubuntu/downgrade windows 7/ windows server 2008r2 and vast of various advance application which not offer by windows counterpart.

I always try to preface my pricing by adding USD to it, because in other parts of the world there are a lot of other factors that inflate pricing (VAT, local taxes, currency exchange, et al). Also, access to an Apple Store is definitely an issue. One of my coworkers is located in the EU and between the VAT and lack of vendors to choose from, it makes things difficult for him using a Mac, when he needs repairs, upgrades, etc. That being said, I try my best not to assume forum members here are located in the lower 48 states of the USA.

Currently, DRAM is still ridiculously expensive, and Apple’s BTO upgrades are very expensive once you get beyond 16GB of DRAM. I know there are a few strategies to help with Logic Pro X performance. One is to move some libraries and such to external storage - https://music.tutsplus.com/articles...d-libraries-to-an-external-drive--audio-19567 - I do not know if external SSD storage is an option for you, but perhaps a SanDisk Extreme 500-Series or Portable SSD (not the 900, it is REALLY expensive for what you get) might help without breaking the bank and extend the life of your current rig. Also, I found this Apple Support article - https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201838 - on how to balance and spread workloads over multiple cores in Logic Pro. It references earlier versions, but the article is dated June 21, 2017, so it is still relevant.

I think the few musicians I have talked to are still using Windows 7, with a couple moving to Windows 10, but that is a pretty personal choice. Ubuntu is an option, but you’re choice of DAW’s and audio interfaces is pretty limited at that point.

Hopefully, the new iMac will improve thermal management, but if it does, be prepared to lose that RAM access door. I do not think DRAM will be soldered, but sure hard to get access to update. Also, it could also mean loss of cheaper Fusion Drives, meaning you will be faced with higher pricing overall as Apple is not going to lower the base price to compensate and will instead propose an updated Mac mini as a lower cost alternative, which it really is not after you add in the cost of monitor, keyboard and mouse.

October can not get here soon enough.
 
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I think if Apple were to release an update, it will mimic what they did with the MBP. No event at all, just a silent update. I think the September event is for iPhones/iPads only with maybe a roll out of the new inexpensive 13" laptop.

I don't think we'll see any other media event after September, and certainly not in November, that's just too late for the holiday season
i dont think this sept is for iphone and ipads...but for iphone and apple watch...and i really hope for an October event for ipad pros, new mac mini, new imacs with a better cooling for those 6C etc, new macbook, and probably preview of the 2019 mac pro and apple display...they need to put at least 15-20 min for macs...and to pack all of these in just 1 event in 2 hours its too much i think...they take away their MAIN product
 

Jorbanead

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Here’s my prediction:

September - iPhone, Apple Watch and a grand opening of Apple Park. Possibly a video “tour” of the campus.

October - iPad, iMac, Mac Mini, MacBook Air, and a “first look” video of Mac Pro and Pro Display coming in 2019.
 

oVerboost

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I don't think the iMac line up will get the refresh many think (thinner bezels etc) if it gets updated at all this year.
Mainly due to the fact that the iMac Pro hasn't been out for long, and there are going to be a lot of angry owners if Apple suddenly shrink down the bezels on them (if the regular iMac gets more screen space, the Pro will have to as well).
 
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DQ11

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I dont consider myself any sort of an expert. It was just my own perception really. It would certainly be great if they can get the new 6 core CPUs in there with decent cooling. I do a lot of video work so this is where im looking to upgrade without going the iMac pro route.

I make a lot of experimental electro acoustic song based music in recent times that im looking to turn into audio visual projects. Ive been making soundscapes for many years before this. I do love Logic and it along with FCPX are why i still use Macs at this stage.

I can totally understand what you were saying before that if Logic was a multi platform based app that it might a PC a better financial lproposition for many of us. I think Logic actually was also on PC at version 4 or so when I started using it, but then Apple bought it out from eMagic and made it Mac only. To be fair to Apple, they have done great things with it over the years and they reduced the cost dramatically too (I think it cost around £800/$999 at version 6).

All the best.
Yea I've actually been using the first version Apple owned and put out as Logic Pro 7...I've been using it since 2007 so I'm looking to upgrade to Logic Pro X, but I'd like to get the most I can for my money.
 

Salaryman Ryan

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Throw in iPads which has been a rumor. Last years iDevice event was nearly 2:30 hours. Just could not see the Macs make an appearance unless it is just for a spec bump mention. But there is rumors of new MacBooks, MacBook Airs, Mac Mini and a bumped iMac. Never could fit into an event with iPhones, Apple Watch, AirPower, AirPods.

Yeah maybe they will just quietly refresh the line up with no announcement just like last time
 

Dave245

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It really depends on Apple's plans, if they don't hold an October event then my guess will be a silent spec update for the iMac, MacBook 12" and maybe even the Mac mini. However maybe Apple feel they have enough for an October event? they will be announcing a new MacBook Air with thinner bezels and a retina display this year, also they might want to talk about the Mac Mini update?

Apple are set to announce a new Air and Pro focused Mac Mini, is that something they will hold a keynote for? it could go either way:

September Event - iPhone's, Apple Watch, iPad Pro's
October event - Mac's including the new MacBook Air, Mac Mini Pro and updates to the iMac

OR

September event - iPhone's, Apple Watch, iPad Pro's, new MacBook Air

They then later update the iMac and Mac Mini via a press release.

It really could go either way, Apple did a press release for the 2018 MacBook Pro's and they had enough to talk about at an event, True Tone display, T2 chip, better speakers, improved keyboard.
 
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It really could go either way, Apple did a press release for the 2018 MacBook Pro's and they had enough to talk about at an event, True Tone display, T2 chip, better speakers, improved keyboard.

It wouldn’t make sense for them to hold an event for just a spec bump MBP. They would probably need a few products in order to hold its own event. That’s why many speculate there will be a Mac event - Mini, iMac, MBA, MB, “Mac Pro & Pro Display Teaser”
 
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Dave245

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It wouldn’t make sense for them to hold an event for just a spec bump MBP. They would probably need a few products in order to hold its own event. That’s why many speculate there will be a Mac event - Mini, iMac, MBA, MB, “Mac Pro & Pro Display Teaser”

If they were going to do that why wouldn’t they have saved the MBP 2018 for a Mac event later in the year.
 
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Zdigital2015

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If they were going to do that why wouldn’t they have saved the MBP 2018 for a Mac event later in the year.
You must have missed the wailing and gnashing of teeth immediately following WWDC 2018 centered around the lack of a six-core update for the MacBook Pro even though the CPUs had not been announced until April. Saving the July 12 updates until the Fall of this year would have caused a riot! Trust me - a new 13” Macbook (Air), Mac mini, iMac updates and a Mac Pro preview will keep be plenty.
 
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You must have missed the wailing and gnashing of teeth immediately following WWDC 2018 centered around the lack of a six-core update for the MacBook Pro even though the CPUs had not been announced until April. Saving the July 12 updates until the Fall of this year would have caused a riot! Trust me - a new 13” Macbook (Air), Mac mini, iMac updates and a Mac Pro preview will keep be plenty.

That's never bothered Apple before, we will have to wait and see but they won't do a keynote just for spec updates and most of what's coming are just that, the iMac will get a spec update, there will be no Mac Pro until 2019 that's directly from Apple and the 13" new MacBook Air they could easily announce at the September event if they wanted too. The keynote will likely be 2 hours or more, it is doable.
 

Zdigital2015

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That's never bothered Apple before, we will have to wait and see but they won't do a keynote just for spec updates and most of what's coming are just that, the iMac will get a spec update, there will be no Mac Pro until 2019 that's directly from Apple and the 13" new MacBook Air they could easily announce at the September event if they wanted too. The keynote will likely be 2 hours or more, it is doable.
Well, it bothered Apple at the time, which is a good thing, considering waiting until October would have been a good six months since Intel introduced the Coffee Lake H-Series CPUs and flattened out revenue even more in the earnings report for Q4/2018, which will see little help from iPhone, iPad and Watch sales the last few weeks of September.

The purpose of a second keynote focused on Macs would be to hype up an Air replacement before the holiday season, show off a Mac mini that can handle AR/VR in a lower cost package, mention the iMac updates, tease the Mac Pro a bit and overall show their commitment to “Behind The Mac” after the hoopla over the iPhone, iPad and Watch dies down just a bit. They want everyone’s cash this year...
 

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Well, it bothered Apple at the time, which is a good thing, considering waiting until October would have been a good six months since Intel introduced the Coffee Lake H-Series CPUs and flattened out revenue even more in the earnings report for Q4/2018, which will see little help from iPhone, iPad and Watch sales the last few weeks of September.

The purpose of a second keynote focused on Macs would be to hype up an Air replacement before the holiday season, show off a Mac mini that can handle AR/VR in a lower cost package, mention the iMac updates, tease the Mac Pro a bit and overall show their commitment to “Behind The Mac” after the hoopla over the iPhone, iPad and Watch dies down just a bit. They want everyone’s cash this year...

We will see, Apple just doesn’t do October keynotes as much anymore the last one being in 2016 for the new redesigned MacBook Pro. The new Air could easily get time at the September keynote if they wanted to. WWDC last year they updated a lot of products with the event going beyond the usual 2 hours. It’s not out the realm of possibility that they will do an October event but if so would it just be Mac’s, what about the iPad Pros?
 

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We will see, Apple just doesn’t do October keynotes as much anymore the last one being in 2016 for the new redesigned MacBook Pro. The new Air could easily get time at the September keynote if they wanted to. WWDC last year they updated a lot of products with the event going beyond the usual 2 hours. It’s not out the realm of possibility that they will do an October event but if so would it just be Mac’s, what about the iPad Pros?
iPad Pros would be introduced during the iPhone event on September 12th. This allows them to get adequate stick into all stores before Black Friday (Amazon, Best Buy, Wal-mart, Target, Sam’s Club, Costco, et al). Only 10 more days and we’ll know for sure.
 
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I don't think the iMac line up will get the refresh many think (thinner bezels etc) if it gets updated at all this year.
Mainly due to the fact that the iMac Pro hasn't been out for long, and there are going to be a lot of angry owners if Apple suddenly shrink down the bezels on them (if the regular iMac gets more screen space, the Pro will have to as well).

How many times does this need to be said. Apple DO NOT consider the Pro and 5K to be the same product line. What one does will not impact the other. The customers that are being targeted are completely different.
Apple will, if they want, completely change the 5K and not give two monkeys about the Pro as its a different product line. Just because the external chassis happens to look the same confuses a lot of people into considering the Pro to be simply an upgraded 5K. ITS NOT MEANT THAT WAY. To be honest, i can see Apple changing the design of the 5K so that this type of chat stops. (i.e. the Pro iPad, Pro MacBook are never compared the same way to the standard iPad and MacBooks, perhaps because they look different from the outside?)
 

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iPad Pros would be introduced during the iPhone event on September 12th. This allows them to get adequate stick into all stores before Black Friday (Amazon, Best Buy, Wal-mart, Target, Sam’s Club, Costco, et al). Only 10 more days and we’ll know for sure.

I suspect the iMac will be a spec update this year anyway, apart from what Ming Chi Kuo said in his report about “significant display performance” updates, could be the T2 chip and True Tone makes it’s way over to the iMac especially now that True Tone is on the iPad Pro and MacBook Pro 2018. Other than that I can’t think of anything else they would do. But does that warrant an event?
 

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I suspect the iMac will be a spec update this year anyway, apart from what Ming Chi Kuo said in his report about “significant display performance” updates, could be the T2 chip and True Tone makes it’s way over to the iMac especially now that True Tone is on the iPad Pro and MacBook Pro 2018. Other than that I can’t think of anything else they would do. But does that warrant an event?
No, it doesn’t warrant an event at all, unless that event includes the new and updated 13”MacBook (Air) and the new and updated Mac mini (Pro), then it will be a, “And we’re also updating the iMac today with brand new Intel 8th and 9th Generation CPUs, updated Radeon Pro GPUs, HDR displays and they are now available in Space Grey...so go check them out after this event. But before we go, we have just have one more thing we want to tell you about, or rather show you.” At that point they launch into a sizzle reel for the 2019 Mac Pro that is very similar for the one that they did for the iMac Pro at WWDC 2017, then conclude the event without any specs or even really good pictures, just a lot of quick takes. That’s my guess, however, there are a lot of previous keynotes to use for reference and you don’t reinvent the wheel for a keynote. Just my 2c.
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How many times does this need to be said. Apple DO NOT consider the Pro and 5K to be the same product line. What one does will not impact the other. The customers that are being targeted are completely different.
Apple will, if they want, completely change the 5K and not give two monkeys about the Pro as its a different product line. Just because the external chassis happens to look the same confuses a lot of people into considering the Pro to be simply an upgraded 5K. ITS NOT MEANT THAT WAY. To be honest, i can see Apple changing the design of the 5K so that this type of chat stops. (i.e. the Pro iPad, Pro MacBook are never compared the same way to the standard iPad and MacBooks, perhaps because they look different from the outside?)

There are few cues visual cues to differentiate the 9.7 iPad from the 10.5” and the 12.9” iPad right now, but after the 12th, I suspect the differentiation will be very apparent.

That being said, engineering a new chassis for the iPad Pros or the iPhone is #1 on Apple’s to-do list and reworking the iMac’s chassis is not even in their Top 5. Whether people like it or not, it is still a very nice looking all-in-one.

Just as you speculated, I wonder if Apple will change the iMac’s chassis at some point and leave the iMac Pro’s as-is, because why mess with it if it works? The iMac Pro will change very little in the next few years on the inside. It should see a 22-core option when Intel announces the Xeon W version of the Core i9 X-Series that is on its way in October. It should also see a revised Vega 20 (Instinct) at some point in 2019. But beyond that, 802.11ax and BT 5.0 (C4XX chipset revision) maybe support for 256GB if higher density DIMMs are released, a Titan Ridge controller that allows it to support an 8K display with one Thunderbolt 3 cable (maybe). Beyond that, not really all that much. I don’t suspect the Xeon W will ever hit more than 22 cores, as the 28 core Xeon (BGA3457) that Intel is releasing is not likely to be suitable for that chassis regardless, and is more likely to go in the top end of the Mac Pro.

Still, I suspect people will continue to conflate the two systems no matter what Apple does, so perhaps a re-design of the iMac 5K is in order at some point in the near future. One would think this year as it is the 20th anniversary of the iMac, but this iteration of Apple is not a very sentimental one.
 

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So you need to update to Logic Pro X and you need a new Mac to run it?

Well yea, I could get refurbished, but I'm not trying to buy something that will break in 1-2 years. I'd like to get 5+ years out of it.

It doesn't have to be fully spec'd out but my 2007 MBP can't be updated that much and isn't capable of running what I'd want it to run.
 
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