Those are some nice upgrades from the current i5's and i7's on the 2017 imacs.
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No 2018 iMac?!
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Not so much that they don't care as that they have no choice unless they wait for a new mac pro, which is what I assume Apple will eventually try to move all the pro's to unless they simply bag the idea of a mac pro and stick with the imac pro or use the new "mac mini pro" rumor as a "pro" replacement. Either way I get the feeling that the whole higher end mac situation has been in an internal upheaval and hope that it settles out and presents to the public soon. As far as the bezels in general on imacs, When you are in an Apple store looking at all the products on display, you can't help but notice the giant (by today's standards) bezels surrounding these imacs and think how nice and modern it would look without them. That said, I think that the 5k screen is so nice and the fact that we don't have any other choice other than macbooks, we just accept it and move on.
Hypothetically then we’ll have an event that could cover (in descending order of likelihood):
1. iPad
2. MacBook Air
3. Mac Mini
4. iMac
5. Modular Mac Preview
All at once. This begs the question whether a reshuffle of the product matrix is coming. This would certainly be an opportunity since Tim could lay out the plan across all potentially affected products.
Since Mojave drops on Monday I think something will drop with it - whatever happens to be ready or isn't changing a whole lot (or has dwindling supply chain). Personally I have no issues with the main design of the iMac and of course they can do simple tweaks for thermal purposes to meet whatever components they choose to use. I'd be fine with a touchbar keyboard as I can hardly deny its neatness, but I can certainly live without it.
Seeing as how the iMac usually trails (and mirrors) the 15" Macbook Pro I am expecting just a spec bump up to at least 6-core procs (hopefully 6-core standard for 27") and standard GPUs (27") just slightly above the best ones available for the MBP. What always gets me with the iMac is the storage - I don't want to BTO just to get flash storage.
Then an October event for the other stuff...
Seeing as how the iMac usually trails (and mirrors) the 15" Macbook Pro I am expecting just a spec bump up to at least 6-core procs (hopefully 6-core standard for 27") and standard GPUs (27") just slightly above the best ones available for the MBP. What always gets me with the iMac is the storage - I don't want to BTO just to get flash storage.
Then an October event for the other stuff...
I have a feeling there will be something happening shortly.
I was following refurbished store since I want the 27" 2017 base with SSD and there weren't any for quite some time. Since last two days they are dumping a lot of them to refurb store in all configs (and they are flying fast) so my theory is they are trying to get rid of old stock.
Whatever is coming I'm sure it will be cool but for what I need it, won't make any difference so I just got the 3.4GHz with 256SSD for $1609+TAX. Exactly what I wanted
I was following refurbished store since I want the 27" 2017 base with SSD and there weren't any for quite some time. Since last two days they are dumping a lot of them to refurb store in all configs (and they are flying fast) so my theory is they are trying to get rid of old stock.
Whatever is coming I'm sure it will be cool but for what I need it, won't make any difference so I just got the 3.4GHz with 256SSD for $1609+TAX. Exactly what I wanted
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Same socket? I wonder if you can pop one into a current iMac.
It's not that hard to pull a 21.5" down to upgrade the RAM, and you have to do it anyway to upgrade the HDD's to avoid Apples ridiculous pricing anyway, just do it all at once
Same socket (LGA1151), but not electrically compatible...you can NOT pop one in a current iMac. Yes, Intel made it confusing and annoying.
Delivery time on stock models is still normal, but I would expect those to start slipping over the next few days / week as we inch closer into October.I have a feeling there will be something happening shortly.
I was following refurbished store since I want the 27" 2017 base with SSD and there weren't any for quite some time. Since last two days they are dumping a lot of them to refurb store in all configs (and they are flying fast) so my theory is they are trying to get rid of old stock.
Whatever is coming I'm sure it will be cool but for what I need it, won't make any difference so I just got the 3.4GHz with 256SSD for $1609+TAX. Exactly what I wanted
This might be a reason why they do not bring the cooling system to the standard iMac if true.
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...9700k-9900k-confirmed-to-use-solder-not-paste
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...9700k-9900k-confirmed-to-use-solder-not-paste
An 8 core CPU would need much better cooling than what the iMac has anyway. Current cooling can't cool an i7 chip effectively at all. It's truly abysmal.
I wonder why apple just doesn't care about/get/understand/comprehend that good cooling is needed.
It's like they just don't care.
I build a desktop computer, with more power, better cooling performance, and also upgradability for $1500 CDN
But you don't build an iMac. If you want to build, then build. This thread is talking about buying an iMac.
Yeah, sure, not sure what your point is.
He suggested a powerful computer would cost $3,000. But I pointed out the fallacy in his argument. I can build a far more powerful computer for $1,500. A computer which will last longer than any iMac.
Here is the thing, there was a time that buying Apple meant getting the best. You got the most recent CPU, up to date hardware, easy user serviceability.
I had no problem shelling out $1,600 dollars for my MacBook Pro in 2012, it has lasted me a good 6 years, and it still works fine. The SATA cable died, and I had it replaced. I got good value out of that machine. If it dies tomorrow, I will still say I got value out of it.
Macs have always been more expensive than the average computer, but there was value in the product. Similar specked Mac and a similar specked PC were generally comparable in price. It was just that Apple used the best hardware and designed Macs to be user-serviceable. So if you bought not only will it be more powerful, but it will last a long time before needing to be replaced.
Now, Apple is just the worst. Outdated hardware. No user-serviceability. Unrepariable. But 3x the price of the competition. Its a sad state of affairs.
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Can you show me your PC build with prices and a comparable to iMac 5K monitor?
I don't think it's as sad as you're making it. It's been a long time since Apple released machines with the latest hardware, and I don't recall the iMac ever being that easily user-upgradeable. And when you're buying an iMac you're still getting the most beautiful displays in the industry, and macOS is still matched to the hardware better than any Windows is matched to any PC on the market. It is virtually impossible to build an iMac, unless one's definition of "building an iMac", such as a Hackintosh, omits some of the major reasons people buy an iMac.
Of course the news is not all good. Yes, Apple has let the iMac fall behind on hardware, prices are high, and they seem to be moving away from even basic user-upgradeability. But comparing the cost of the components in an iMac to the cost of the components in a PC, is like comparing a human being to the cost of the chemicals that make one. iMacs, in terms of their usability and enjoyment, are still way more than the sum of their parts, even if maybe a little less so than in the past, their owners keep them WAY longer than PC's are kept, and that is why they continue to command premium prices.
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Haha. You made my point more succinctly than I did!
Of course the news is not all good. Yes, Apple has let the iMac fall behind on hardware, prices are high, and they seem to be moving away from even basic user-upgradeability. But comparing the cost of the components in an iMac to the cost of the components in a PC, is like comparing a human being to the cost of the chemicals that make one. iMacs, in terms of their usability and enjoyment, are still way more than the sum of their parts, even if maybe a little less so than in the past, their owners keep them WAY longer than PC's are kept, and that is why they continue to command premium prices.
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Haha. You made my point more succinctly than I did!
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CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($360.98 @ Newegg Business)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($85.22 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($197.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($397.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card ($238.00 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: LG - 27UD68-W 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($447.62 @ Amazon)
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Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xHdJNQ/by_merchant/
CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor ($360.98 @ Newegg Business)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($85.22 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($197.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Pro 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($397.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card ($238.00 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: LG - 27UD68-W 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($447.62 @ Amazon)
Total: $1872.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Sure the monitor is not as good, but you're still getting better hardware for $1200 less.
About 10 months ago when I started waiting for a refresh I was also defending the added value of the iMac. Now I got tired of waiting forever. Apple's attitude towards the Mac is really annoying.
iMac Pros:
- macOS supported out of the box
- better screen
- nice (although outdated) design
- Apple's support (expensive if you're not getting AC, or more expensive upfront if you're getting it)
PC Pros:
- Lower price or MUCH better hardware for the same price
- Ability to repair/upgrade components
- Support for nvidia cards
- Much better cooling
- Being able to pay for what you want/need instead of what Apple decided is good for you
- Not having to wait forever until Apple decides the sales are low enough to warrant an update
Apple is an ecosystem. If you don't like it you don't like it. But you can't just barely refer to the 5K Retina display, the one item of HARDWARE that differentiates iMacs from the entire PC world, the thing that you look at for hours a day, and boast that other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, you're getting "better hardware."
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I'm a windows guy and always will be but that doesn't mean I find mac useless. I've been running macs since 2007 (with breaks) and my last 13" 2016 MBP which was intercepted by my family did great. Yesterday I went and bought a 2017 iMac as I simply like to use OSX and I know it will serve me well. If you have to use FCPX (one of the reasons I am getting this machine as occasionally I have clients with macs) $1850 with apple care is not much and it will do just fine. If I would need a bad ass iMac Pro I'm looking at north of $5000...
So here we are for comparison. I have a beefed 8700K running 5.2GHz that I use for 3D and gaming and while it kills the iMac by sheer power it's in no way cheaper especially in the long run.
I update it once every 1-2 years and that usually runs me extra $1000-1500. I use a Eizo ColorEdge 2K as I work with print and by that point I am way over $5K from the go so it's far from better value. It does what I need it to do but it's not cheap. Sure I can get a PC for $1500 for games but damn man not everybody plays games on PCs. Most of my friends are either candy crush addicts or console gamers. They don't have the time and money to keep up with PC just so you can run a new game smoothly.
Now which will have better resale value in 4 years? My PC or the iMac? Wanna bet it's the iMac not to mention that by that time my PC will be quadruple the price of the mac?
What about user experience? OSX is candy, useful, simple (for most part) and very user friendly. I love windows 10 but it can lead you into a corner where without knowledge you are fu****
On PC I use apps to control core voltage depending on the task just so I don't have to run my liquid cooler at full speed. Ever heard 9 fans spinning when 12 cores at 5.2GHz and 100% usage are doing their magic for hours at a time? Occasionally I will set affinity mask to give certain applications per core assignment. Things like that make windows a beats but they require a lot more input and knowledge from a user. The iMac thou, I will turn it on, finish my tasks and will shut it off. It's simple and I love it.
Accept the strength of each platform and use it to your advantage. It's a tool so just pick the one that will work for you, be happy and remember that user experience has much greater value than numbers on a paper sheet which is the main reason why macs are so popular.
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I'm with you on a lot of things you said and I agree that the iMac has its uses but you really can't start adding upgrades and a
It's like saying "This car is more expensive 'cause I spent all this money pimping it. Oh and also and I bought a boat with it so it's definitely more expensive!"
Sorry, I misread your post. Sure, some for some it's a good deal but if you don't absolutely need that kind of monitor it's in no way cheaper.
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Eizo ColorEdge is a monitor. Good monitor for my work but ironically not that great for games so I play on a my second dell screen. While the iMac screen is not THAT good it certainly can stand with its head up high and when my windows machine will be busy with rendering I will gladly use it for graphic design stuff.
**I made a typo that I corrected in that post. That set up ran me little over $5K not 6.
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It's not that I don't like Apple products, I'm just saying that when comparing hardware between a custom PC and the 2017 iMac, the iMac doesn't have very good value right now. Sure if you think the 5k display and macOS is worth $1000+ go for it
I was ready to go for it a few months ago, but I can't get myself to spend that money on outdated hardware on top of that.