I can see an october event with a new ipad and macbook with perhaps some things like imac or airpower sprinkled in. Who knows about mac mini. Id say mac mini is a wwdc thing but maybe they’ll wanna give the new mac pro the spotlight then
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No 2018 iMac?!
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I can see an october event with a new ipad and macbook with perhaps some things like imac or airpower sprinkled in. Who knows about mac mini. Id say mac mini is a wwdc thing but maybe they’ll wanna give the new mac pro the spotlight then
The 13" nTB MBP was a bridge model for those who really did not want the Touch Bar model and did not want the 12" MacBook. It was not upgraded because Intel does not currently offer a 15w TDP U-Series CPU with Iris (Plus) graphics. I expect it to be discontinued once the 13"/14" MacBook (Air) is released.
Apple did not change the prices of the 2018 MacBook Pros when they were updated with 4-core and 6-core CPUs and I have zero reason to believe they will do it with the 2018 iMacs.
What may be a significant upgrade cost to users is the Core i9-9900K as it will be in limited supply and sits a tier higher than the Core i7-9700K which replaces the Core i7-7700K in Apple's BTO upgrade lists. I expect the Core i7-9700K to be a $200 BTO over the i5-9600K in the $2199 27" iMac and the 9900K to be $200-$300 premium above the Core i7-9700K. Retail pricing is showing the CPU to be coming in at ~$599, so this is not an unexpected move on Apple's part.
Any increase in price that Apple implements would be if they decide to implement Flash Storage and replace the HDDs. I do not expect that to happen until there is a redesigned chassis and I just do not think this is the year that it will happen.
The reason it is taking so long, I believe, is that Apple decided to skip the Z370 PCH released in August of last year, not all of the 8th generation CPUs that Apple wanted/would use in the iMac line were released until April of this year, by which time rumors about the Z390 PCH and 9th Gen CPUs were already circulating around the usual suspects on the internet.
https://www.techradar.com/news/inte...sh-processors-revealed-by-motherboard-drivers
Throw this naming wrench into the mix. Based upon what they found, they will still be called "8th generation CPUs". So you will not find 9th generation, but they will be 9000 series CPUs. Happy times. Intel is still silent.
Throw this naming wrench into the mix. Based upon what they found, they will still be called "8th generation CPUs". So you will not find 9th generation, but they will be 9000 series CPUs. Happy times. Intel is still silent.
Seems quite convenient that the price of an up to date base MBP went from $1299 to $1799. The only time a base 13" MBP price was that high was in late 2012 with the retina display. Even then a much more affordable model was still available and updated only 4 months earlier.
Also, what is preventing them from using a 28w TDP CPU just like the TB model? You can give me all the technical reasons you want, having 1 vs 2 fans etc. The truth is, it's more profitable for them to upsell costumers to the TB model.
I'm not saying it's wrong for them to do this, they're just trying to make money which is fine. But people need to see through their sales techniques and decides for themselves what they need instead of defending Apple at all cost.
Apple.com Refurbished Store - https://www.apple.com/shop/product/...Hz-8-core-Intel-Xeon-W-with-Retina-5K-display
Sure, another question, who needs 5K? I have a 4K monitor and it is good enough.
For comparison, Microsoft introduced the Surface Studio 2 today starts at $3,499 and tops out at $4,799.
For $3,499 you get a Core i7-7920HQ (Kaby Lake), 16GB DRAM, 1TB SSD and NVIDIA GTX 1060 6GB VRAM.
For $3,299 you can get a 27” iMac, Core i7-7700K, 16 GB DRAM, 1TB SSD and RADEON Pro 580 8GB RAM.
For $4,799, you get a Core i7-7920HQ (Kaby Lake), 32 GB DRAM, 2TB SSD and NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB VRAM.
For $4,499, you get a 27” iMac, Core i7-7700K, 32 GB DRAM, 2TB SSD and Radeon Pro 580.
I think Microsoft has taken the crown for most absurd pricing at this point and Apple is a VERY distant second.
For $3,499 you get a Core i7-7920HQ (Kaby Lake), 16GB DRAM, 1TB SSD and NVIDIA GTX 1060 6GB VRAM.
For $3,299 you can get a 27” iMac, Core i7-7700K, 16 GB DRAM, 1TB SSD and RADEON Pro 580 8GB RAM.
For $4,799, you get a Core i7-7920HQ (Kaby Lake), 32 GB DRAM, 2TB SSD and NVIDIA GTX 1070 8GB VRAM.
For $4,499, you get a 27” iMac, Core i7-7700K, 32 GB DRAM, 2TB SSD and Radeon Pro 580.
I think Microsoft has taken the crown for most absurd pricing at this point and Apple is a VERY distant second.
There's nothing absurd about the Surface Studio pricing. For $200 more you get an adjustable touch screen. In that price range it's hard to justify that the iMac is somehow a better value.
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Other than the fact that Microsoft surely had access to and could have integrated a Core i7-8850H 6-core CPU into the base but didn’t, that it has no Thunderbolt 3, that we are still not sure what capabilities the USB-C port actually has, if any, beyond video, that it can only support two 4K external displays at 30 Hz, that it has Bluetooth 4.0 not 5.0, that it’s stuck at a max of 32GB of RAM, that it has a previous gen 45w laptop CPU instead of a 91w desktop CPU? Must I go on?
Is that adjustable touch screen really worth all that you have to give up and the extra money you have to cough up? Good luck with that. It does look cool though, but for $200 more I can get an 8-Core Xeon, a Vega 56 CPU, 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports, etc. and less back aches for a feature that is way more cool than practical for most.
No, please don't. If you don't have a use for a 28" touch screen then the Surface Studio is pretty much pointless. For some (think graphic designers, engineers etc.) the touchscreen will be worth way more than TB3.
I'm ok with i5 though as it will be 65w cooler chip and still 6 cores. Should be good enough for Logic Pro X.
Maybe Intel's supply and/or production issues are linked to this.
For us Apple fans, don't worry. Apple has been steadily collecting CPUs for the past 2-3 years, so no issue to release a new iMac, Mac Mini or even iMac Pro with shiny new Intel CPUs.
However... makes me wonder though why they just don't switch to AMD CPUs.
You can pick up the iMac Pro right now for $4,499.00 at your local Micro Center.
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For $4,499.00 you can get the iMac Pro from Micro Center.
Sure, many people are satisfied with a 1080p monitor. But if compering prices in a sensible manner the components should be equal.
Sold my iMac 27 4,2Ghz, 64GB, 512GB SSD.
All committed for a new iMac, bring it!
If they for some reason don´t announce anything, I´m going iMac Pro.
All committed for a new iMac, bring it!
If they for some reason don´t announce anything, I´m going iMac Pro.
As Intel's most important partner, Microsoft surely had access to and knowledge of the arrival of the Coffee Lake H-series as well as when it would be introduced to the public. We are 6 months along and while supplies are still somewhat constrained, I believe that the volume of Surface Studio 2 sales is low enough that Intel would have been able to supply Microsoft sufficiently. For the cost of the SS2 ($3499), I would have to say I expect the 6-core to be specified, not a Kaby Lake H-series. Microsoft is using 4-core Coffee Lake CPUs in the Surface Pro 6 and Surface Laptop 2, so staying a gen back in their most expensive offering is a curious design choice.
Intel's overall supply problems are related to them moving their chipset (PCH) production over to 14nm before they have a stable 10nm process that is actually producing salable CPUs. As a result, Intel had to suspend production of their cheapest 300-series chipset (H310) to meet demand for their CPUs as they ramp up Whiskey Lake and Coffee Lake-R (9000-series) for release "really soon now".
The CPUs that Apple needs for refreshes to the 13"/14" MacBook (Air) replacement and the 2018 iMac (at least the 27") have yet to enter into mass production to my knowledge, but if they have, it has been for only the past 2-3 months, not 2-3 years. Every PC OEM depending on the roll out of these CPUs is going to be in a bit of a bind if Intel is not able to meet demand. So, yes, Apple fans do have reason to worry about whether there will be a sufficient supply of the CPUs that would be needed to ensure a steady supply of these models should an update be released this year.
AMD's CPU offering before the RYZEN renaissance of 2017 were a complete mess and tended to be APUs in the low-end of the market. Apple does not pick low-end CPUs for its Macs, nor does AMD even now have support for Thunderbolt 3, and motherboard makes must rely on ASMedia USB-C controllers to add that functionality to AMD-based motherboards. If Apple does anything, it will be to move the Macs to CPUs and GPUs that it creates in-house.
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I manage a small group of designers and while they think the Surface Studio is neat, none of them has expressed the remotest interest in using or obtaining one. While I will not declare them a representative sample of all designers and engineers, it would seem that the SS is a very boutique computer, which may explain the pricing MS attaches to it.
I will say that this version is much more capable than the previous one, yet there are some glaring gaps that really make me question its long term value to its target market. The lack of an up-to-date CPU (Core i7-7820HQ) that would ensure a bit more longevity, especially as the Kaby Lake H-Series was really not that much of a leap over Skylake, Broadwell or even the Haswell H-Series CPUs in terms of raw performance. The base certainly looks capable of cooling the Core i7-8850H @2.6Ghz even with a 1060 or 1070 inside. Using the 8850H would have allowed Microsoft to include Bluetooth 5.0 and 2x2 802.11ac.
A single Titan Ridge TB controller would have helped make the overall unit more capable and useful, but as it is now, there looks to be just a single USB-C port and I have yet to find out anything about it's capabilities beyond video out (I am still looking).
I hope MS does well with the SS2, but for what it is, it is overpriced considering its internals. However, if the hinged Display, Surface Dial and Surface Pen are that good for users, then it does get hard to put a price on those particular intangibles.
Fair enough.
But considering Apple is using Radeon 500 series, and Kaby Lake CPUs, shouldn't you equally criticize them? Both are two years old at this point and Apple still charges a premium for it.
If I use the monitor you suggested at $1800, I am still spending about what I would on a 5k 27 inch iMac. I am spending $3600 CDN or $2806 USD, which is about $600 more than a new iMac. But I am getting a computer which can better support the 5K display. Alternatively I could get a 4K display, and have the computer run buttery smooth, and spend even less on it.
This is one of the reason I stopped buying PCs, I got tired of PC manufacturers over pricing outdated hardware with poor quality components. Oh AMD just dumped a few Athlon 64 on us, never mind that they are overheating, lets build a laptop with it and charge $1000 for it. Someone will buy it. It'll die in a year, don't worry they'll just buy a new one.
Apple was the company which said, hey this notebook costs $1400, it should have an IPS display, the latest Core Series CPU, and 8 gigs of ram off the bat. Should anyone want an upgrade, just remove one bracket and everything should be accessible. It should be reliable and not fail prematurely. What happened to that Apple?
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Really hope an update comes soon. My desktop machine is a 2011 MBP. After 2 years with a new logic board, I think the GPU is dying again. I used to use a BookArc but switched to the mStand for dual monitors and also some better airflow. Was a little slow lately so I formatted the SSD and reinstalled High Sierra, but now I'm getting constant display glitches and kernel panics. If it completely dies I have my tbMBP but the storage isn't enough on it for my iTunes Library and I haven't migrated it to my NAS just yet. Even if it's just a processor bump, I'll take an 8700K as that's plenty for my needs and I'll throw in more RAM myself as long as the door is still there.
EDIT: 2011 MBP is now dead - external monitor activating the dGPU kills it. Need an iMac soon-ish.
EDIT: 2011 MBP is now dead - external monitor activating the dGPU kills it. Need an iMac soon-ish.
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I think its just the hunt of smallest possible form factor that drives all the companies. Not just apple.
I think that it is totally okay on ultra portables like the 12" Macbook. Would love to have the upgradability on the real work horses like 15" MBP.
If they introduce the new iMac in Oktober (as I voted on) there is this questions here, that I want to ask:
#1 The new iMac Hex will be a lot more powerful. It will be so close to the iMac Pro performance wise, that they will lose many future iMac Pro customers unless they bump the iMac Pro specs as well. I am wondering how fast an iMac Pro 2 will come up?
@hydr: This is what I call excellent timing!