I'll be interested to see how the 9th generation i7s compare to the 8th generation i7s. The former is a true 8 core process without hyperthreading (reserved the i9) and the latter has 6 cores with hyperthreading. Personally I'd be surprised if the iMacs get more than a generational bump in gpus. Most heavy duty gamers use Windows with some variant of a Nviidia gpu I don't really do any gaming. My guess is they'll use AMD gpus that are this generations equivalent to the gpus currently being used. You mention video editing and I don't know the requirements of FCP but that's the kind of stuff where faster cpus and gpus can make a meaningful difference. I do quite a bit of photo editing and sometimes use DxO Photolab. It has what I consider the best noise reduction algorithms available. Exporting photos using their Prime noise reduction is REALLY SLOW. And it reputedly makes very good use of multiple cores/threads. Don't know how much Lightroom, PS, DxO, really make use of the gpu. Of course it's all speculation. Who knows what the next iMac will bring or when it will appear.
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I'll be interested to see how the 9th generation i7s compare to the 8th generation i7s. The former is a true 8 core process without hyperthreading (reserved the i9) and the latter has 6 cores with hyperthreading. Personally I'd be surprised if the iMacs get more than a generational bump in gpus. Most heavy duty gamers use Windows with some variant of a Nviidia gpu I don't really do any gaming. My guess is they'll use AMD gpus that are this generations equivalent to the gpus currently being used. You mention video editing and I don't know the requirements of FCP but that's the kind of stuff where faster cpus and gpus can make a meaningful difference. I do quite a bit of photo editing and sometimes use DxO Photolab. It has what I consider the best noise reduction algorithms available. Exporting photos using their Prime noise reduction is REALLY SLOW. And it reputedly makes very good use of multiple cores/threads. Don't know how much Lightroom, PS, DxO, really make use of the gpu. Of course it's all speculation. Who knows what the next iMac will bring or when it will appear.
Intel is introducing 9th Gen CPUs tomorrow morning - https://newsroom.intel.com/articles/learn-about-intels-latest-pc-developments/ - Apple cannot make any announcements until this happens, so the next thing will be for AppleHope we hear something soonGetting kind of pessimistic about this. They could just decide to not realize iPads or iMacs until next spring.
to announce a date for an Event. This gives them a window from tomorrow until November 13th to have an Event. That’s the absolute latest and still ship product into stores in time for Black Friday.
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Sketchy benchmarks along the way have shown the i7-9700K and i9-9900K performing quite well over the 8700K, which they Has been rumored to be achieving very stable 5GHz overclocking. AMD is close to releasing 12nm GPUs this month, which could conceivably be used in an iMac update - https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-polaris-30-gpu-october-launch/ - FCP X and DaVinci Resolve will be befit from CPU and GPU bumps and are tied to OpenCL (AMD) For enduring performance. DxO seems to respond best to more cores and separating out the OS fand the processed files to separate SSDs according to forum postings. Lightroom and PS perform better with better GPUs, but cannot take advantage of eGPUs at this point. Hopefully, that will change in 2019.
Here’s a good article on DxO and multi-core CPU performance - https://macperformanceguide.com/MacPro2013-performance-DxOOpticsPro.html - I would recommend an iMac Pro, if you are trying to make money with DxO in your workflow, and start at 10-cores unless you can afford more.
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What's your definition of "professional"? Someone who makes money using their iMac? How much money? Full-timers vs. weekend warriors. A lot of professionals have bought iMacs in recent years because of the Mac Pro fiasco. If professionals are already buying top of the line iMacs to get the job done then why would Apple release a new model that competes with a low end iMac Pro model?
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How much will these new 6 cores have an effect on Logic Pro X and performance. I know they are supposed to be more powerful but the clock speeds will be slower right?...slower than the i7-7700k
I'm waiting for a new iMac annoucement OR Black Friday deals on the 2017 version, whichever comes sooner.
I'm in need of a new one to replace my 2012 27" iMac which is still going strong, but I've only got 512MB of graphics when I could really, really do with the 8GB!
I'm in need of a new one to replace my 2012 27" iMac which is still going strong, but I've only got 512MB of graphics when I could really, really do with the 8GB!
HI I would like an advice, I'm a video editor! and I have to change my mac I have a quote made by apple store for a configuration
-IntelCorei7quad-corea4,2GHz, TurboBoostfino to 4,5GHz
- 16GBSDRAMDDR42400MHz-2x8GB
- SSD 512GB
- RadeonPro580 with 8GB of video memory
at the price of $ 3722.00
I'd better wait for the new Imac or presume it's more expensive!
I am Italian my estimate is in €
Thank you
-IntelCorei7quad-corea4,2GHz, TurboBoostfino to 4,5GHz
- 16GBSDRAMDDR42400MHz-2x8GB
- SSD 512GB
- RadeonPro580 with 8GB of video memory
at the price of $ 3722.00
I'd better wait for the new Imac or presume it's more expensive!
I am Italian my estimate is in €
Thank you
wait 1 more week and see
3 and a half more hours until intel cpu announcement
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3 and a half more hours until intel cpu announcement
[doublepost=1538994567][/doublepost]i suspect Apple will send the invites tomorrow or the day after
Thanks for the link to the article about DxO. That basically supports what I've read. Bottom line is that it's too slow to use as an everyday image editor on my 2012 mini. LR, which is by no means fast, is much faster. Even basic slider adjustments with DxO take time. At this point I only use it for high iso images that I'm willing to spend some real time working on.
I am out of time. Today I will just configure an Ubuntu Linux cloud server and worry about the iMac later. I really just wanted to grab my existing MongoDB instance, but I will have to start from scratch.
It is funny how we can take these events so seriously. I know I have no personal benefit of it, but I also want to know what to hold my money for. Hope it is not going to go for a Hackintosh this time. It would be my first one.
I believe it was the 10.3 update to Logic Pro X that added support for up to 18-core CPUs right after the iMac Pro was released, and Logic is designed to work with many multiple cores. We all know that more cores always helps when applying plug-ins and effects along with increasing the number of simultaneous tracks that Logic can handle, so I do not expect anything different with these new CPUs.
Yes, the clock speeds will be slower, but the Core i7-8700K is only 3.7GHz and it consistently scores higher in performance test versus the 7700K, and it has a higher boost clock over the 7700K as well (4.7GHz versus 4.5GHz for the 7700K). the 9600K is supposed to be 3.7GHz, with the 9700K and 9900K both at 3.6GHz. The tradeoff between more cores or more clock speed is well worth it, IMHO.
The 6-core and 8-core iMacs may bleed off a few customers from the iMac Pro, but you either need an iMac Pro or you do not, and if you are not sure, then you should get an iMac.
The 10-core, 14-core and 18-core Xeons are useful for a fairly small percentage of applications, almost ALL of which fall into the Professional use category. There are some outliers that may benefit from more cores that we might not traditionally put in the Professional use category, but the number of users of those apps that benefit from more than 8-cores and do not know this is pretty small. For the most part, those apps and those users are going to benefit from 6-core and 8-core iMacs and this means that those who might not necessarily need or want to purchase an iMac Pro will have access to higher core count CPUs at a reasonable cost and Apple will still make their usual margins for these computers.
It is not like Apple really has a choice anyways, as this is what Intel is now selling and Apple has already shown that it is going to make sure its customers can get their hands on these CPUs when it released the 4-core and 6-core 2018 MacBook Pros. Those updates did not cost any more than their 2017 4-core predecessors.
within reason. Depends. A lot of stuff you do daily on the mac is single core runs and it can be noticeable. It just depends, and yes the max turbo speed will help matters if it is high enough. In nay case it is hard to imagine that the top of the line normal 18-19 imac will be any slower in daily stuff than the 17 top of the line is now. That wouldn't make any sense.
Two new Intel W Xeon CPUs with 22-cores (W-3155X, I think) and 28-cores (W-3175X) respectively. Not releasing until early 2019, Anandtech Live Blog says December, but I could have sworn the presenter said 2019. Depending on the socket size of the 28-core (FCLGA-3467), do not expect to see it in the iMac Pro. The 22-core on the other hand, should still be FCLGA-2066, which is what the iMac Pro currently uses. The 28-core may end up in the 2019 Mac Pro.
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The single-core scores for the 8700K are slightly higher than the 7700K already and the 9700K and 9900K should be marginally higher as well. The noticeable improvement (observed in the leaked performance testing of pre-production CPUs) has been in sustained single and dual-core Turbo Boost for the 9th gen CPUs, which is why I am hoping that Apple uses the iMac Pro cooling system to keep the CPUs cool enough that thermal throttling is reduced greatly. Also, these CPUs are to use a soldered heatsink/lid (S-TIM) as opposed to thermal paste, which should also help manage temps better than previous Intel CPUs.
Unfortunately, until Apple releases new iMacs with these CPUs, they get into customer's hands and they are put through their paces, none of us (me included) will know how much of a difference in performance on single-threaded or multi-threaded tasks we can expect.
Anyways, Intel is saying October 19th on-sale date for 9th Generation. Make of it what you will.
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It's a 300MHz difference in base clock speed going to an 8700K from a 7700K, which is a more than acceptable tradeoff for two extra cores. the rumored clock speed of the 9700K is 3.6GHz, so 400MHz difference. Again, more than acceptable.
The single-core scores for the 8700K are slightly higher than the 7700K already and the 9700K and 9900K should be marginally higher as well. The noticeable improvement (observed in the leaked performance testing of pre-production CPUs) has been in sustained single and dual-core Turbo Boost for the 9th gen CPUs, which is why I am hoping that Apple uses the iMac Pro cooling system to keep the CPUs cool enough that thermal throttling is reduced greatly. Also, these CPUs are to use a soldered heatsink/lid (S-TIM) as opposed to thermal paste, which should also help manage temps better than previous Intel CPUs.
Unfortunately, until Apple releases new iMacs with these CPUs, they get into customer's hands and they are put through their paces, none of us (me included) will know how much of a difference in performance on single-threaded or multi-threaded tasks we can expect.
Anyways, Intel is saying October 19th on-sale date for 9th Generation. Make of it what you will.
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What's even worse for our European counterparts (and I am sure others) is that as far as I know, they have no equivalent of a refurbished store in the EU. I have a co-worker in Sweden who pointed this out when I suggested that he look at refurbished. I believe the worst pricing is in Australia, unless you live in a country with sky high import tariffs, such as Brazil.
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https://wccftech.com/intel-9th-gen-...re-i9-9980xe-x299-cpus-full-family-announced/
so we have cpu for imac and imac pro i think, and also Apple can use some of these into the next mac pro? i wonder what cpu
so we have cpu for imac and imac pro i think, and also Apple can use some of these into the next mac pro? i wonder what cpu
I dont understand the anticipation for the Intel event, the only unknown piece of information revealed was the release date and (arguably) the price, both of which are kind of irrelevant for the iMac.
But for the iMac Pro and Mac Pro, we finally received details on the 28-core chip which could be used in both.
But for the iMac Pro and Mac Pro, we finally received details on the 28-core chip which could be used in both.
Unfortunately, the 28-core is probably destined for the Mac Pro only and not the iMac Pro as it is using the FCLGA3647 socket, which means too much power draw and too much heat generation and is a completely new motherboard design. It also uses a 6-channel memory controller, which would necessitate an extra two sockets on the motherboard.
Supporting both of these major changes in the iMac Pro is highly unlikely as it only pertains to one CPU. I believe the 22-core, which continues to use the FCLGA-2066, will take over the high end on the iMac Pro and Apple will drop the 8-core version while moving the 10-core down to the base configuration.
The others are important to know release date and price as this gives us a hint of when Apple would time an October Event, which is now more likely to happen on October 23rd or October 30th, given his appearance at the European Data Protection Conference on October 24th.