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Internet Enzyme

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Since apple is calling ipad a computer,they have sold a 120hz computer since last year :)

and its one of the coolest things about my ipad pro
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You missed out the changing the average to 13.6. But that's irrelevant, we will be seeing iMacs this year, and I would ay it's worth the wait for most people (but it does depend).
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The 20th anniversary year is significant, but the date itself isn't a big deal, especially since the announcement date of the original iMac has passed. But who knows, they could do a celebration page like they did for the Mac anniversary, although that was more significant.
I wish i was as confident as you about that. Im not sure we’ll see a new one this year
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Current graphics performance isnt great so doubling to 120 isnt going to make a better experience.

If your doing any actual work that 5k display is a limiting factor because as ive said rendering 14mp at 60fps with a 580 is very taxing. Double that and what already feels like a crawl will be like watching paint dry.

At the end of the day heat is always and issue and getting a better than mid range GPU is unlikely. Unless your happy spending 3k on a machine and then another 1k on an external caddy and GPU.

I think with apple’s newfound interest in high end graphics with Metal and egpus i think that future imacs could definitely be capable of pushing out a consistent 120hz within most programs. Whether its worth the jump is not apparent. What would intrigue me is getting 120hz on the iphone and the notebooks because that would create an instant responsive branding for apple and its most ubiquitous products. It would make their computers feel instantly more smooth and impressive than say opening an app 20% quicker would
 
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Lammers

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I think the stronger argument you’ve made is regarding the iMac Pro, although whose to say that’s not getting a redesign. The question with the iMac Pro is whether Apple will continue to refresh it, I think we’ll see a 2018/2019 model but there’s uncertainty beyond that.

But my view in terms of the redesign is based on information from an insider source as well as the fact that from previous schedules, a redesign is 2 years overdue so this makes sense. With a scheduled redesign in the works anyway, Apple would make sure they get it out on the 20th anniversary year. So I’m not saying they realized the 20th anniversary is coming up and decided to do a new design, if they had already introduced a redesign there would be no point in doing that.

With iMacs being the best value Macs you can get, I doubt sales are dipping. While I think it’s unlikely, if the redesign is delayed, it would be for other reasons.

For now, let’s just look forward to October when Apple will finally refresh most of the Mac lineup. I’m excited to see if the iMacs will go 8-core and hoping we see the new Mac mini there (even though it might make more sense to launch alongside the new Mac Pro.

The iMac Pro was positioned as temporary appeasement for a "pro" userbase dissatisfied with Apple's Mac offerings, while Apple figures out what to do in this space. So I find it hard to believe that Apple would launch the iMac Pro, charge those customers (that they are trying to appease) huge sums of money for it.... and then redesign it the following year. I just don't see that happening.

In terms of a redesign being "overdue", there is plenty of evidence of where Apple's users and fans have insisted that a product is overdue a redesign, but Apple steadfastly does nothing about. And I also see the launch of the iMac Pro in the existing iMac chassis design as evidence that Apple is quite happy with the current design. I don't think that Apple would have launched a brand new high-end very expensive computer in a chassis design that it thought was overdue a redesign. And from my own subjective perspective, I still think the iMac looks just great!

Don't get me wrong - if Apple do indeed redesign the iMac this year (alongside the rest of the Mac range perhaps) then I'll be as happy as the next guy. I just don't see them doing it.
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That report made no mention of the MacBook Pro as well. Apple should want to refresh both products before the holiday shopping season.

This was the first ad campaign I'd seen Apple do for the Mac in a while, period. Doesn't surprise me that it only focuses on the MacBooks, as those sell more units than Apple's desktop Macs with a higher margin of profit, and issues such as the defective keyboards have tarnished their reputation somewhat.
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I have a hard time believing the 2015 MacBook Pro was struggling before Apple decided to redesign it. Rather, it was a case of Apple wanting to be ready for the future before a redesign was strictly necessary, though in my opinion it ended up being a rushed and not well-though-out redesign with a high price tag that definitely turned some customers away.

Against the new crop of laptops from other manufacturers that were thinner, with thinner bezels, USB-C, and so forth, yes, the 2015 MacBook Pro (which was already a three-year-old design) was somewhat dated.

I don't buy the "ready for the future" argument because I'm not sure what the point of that is for them. That's not really how tech firms do business. And if their goal was to "be ready for the future before a redesign was strictly necessary" then why not just add USB-C to the existing design and ship it? It would be FAR cheaper and less disruptive. But they didn't do that, because it needed a redesign. And if they hadn't redesigned it, Apple would be shipping, in 2018, a design from 2012, in a highly competitive market. That's bad for business.
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Refreshing a line isn’t about lacking sales that’s a rediculous statement. Otherwise Apple would never do anything... because of all the people who jump on the bandwagon.

If you think it's a ridiculous statement then I'm not quite sure how to reply to that. In my view this is basic business sense. If you have a better idea for what makes businesses launch new products other than to make money from them then by all means please share it!

It will cost Apple millions of dollars to design, manufacturer and ship a new product (iMac, MacBook, whatever) at their scale. And that excludes the opportunity cost of doing that instead of doing something else. You only do that if there is a compelling business case - a Return on Investment - for doing it. And the most common - and the most likely - business case is revenue.

So - in my view - the only thing that will trigger Apple to redesign the iMac is a compelling business case for doing it - and that is most likely to be to drive sales/revenue. Which is why I keep coming back to the question of whether the current iMac chassis design is hurting sales; and my view is that it probably is not. This also explains why Apple hasn't redesigned the Mac Mini - because it hasn't seen it as worthwhile enough to bother.

The other dimension here is the relative competitiveness and size of each market. I think I posted on this before. The smartphone market is highly competitive and massive, so Apple is forced to redesign the iPhone every couple of years. Tablet market is next, so it gets the next most frequent design changes. Laptop is somewhat competitive, but less so than phone and tablet, so it gets less frequent design changes. AIOs like the iMac are far less competitive, and a far smaller market, so it gets a correspondingly little amount of design attention. You can see this by looking at the Apple's range and thinking about the markets these products are in. This is all good business sense - put your dollars where it gives you the highest return.

I don't understand what "Otherwise Apple would never do anything... because of all the people who jump on the bandwagon" means.

But again, happy to hear other suggestions for how Apple is choosing which product lines to refresh.
 
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Just waiting on August 15th... 20th anniversary is just a date too good for them to pass up

Yeah, we'll see. But people said the same about May 6th (the 20th anniversary of the original iMac announcement) and the only thing that resulted in was a tweet from Tim Cook that went largely unnoticed. I don't see why the 20th anniversary of iMacs shipping would be "a date too good for them to pass up".

Besides, August 15th is right when the entire Northern Hemisphere (more or less) is out on summer vacations. Not a good time for a PR event. The last time Apple had an event in August was 2002.

My expectation is August 15th comes and goes without a peep from Apple about iMac.
 

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I really hope Apple can at least update the iMac to Coffee Lake before summer is out. I work in a high school and I budgeted to upgrade a computer lab with all new iMacs this summer. I can't justify spending $40k+ on year old technology. I hope I am not forced to make contingency plans to upgrade the lab after the school year starts. A lot of my students know I am planning to upgrade the lab this summer, so if they walk in at the beginning of the school year and see our 7 year old iMacs I'll just have to explain to them that Apple is dragging their feet and our new lab will be coming "any day now"....
 

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The trend for the past 5 refreshes (where over 50% of the iMac lineup was updated):
M2010 to M2011: 10 months
M2011 to L2012: 17 months
L2012 to L2013: 11 months
L2013 to L2015: 25 months
L2015 to M2017: 19 months

Average: 16.5 months (suggesting Late October 2018)
Stdev: 5.5 months (but anything from May-2018 to April-2019 would be 'normal')


With new iMac 2-3 months away at the earliest I wouldn't keep waiting unless you could afford to risk there being no 2018 iMacs (or only a new top or bottom tier model as in 2014). I'll be making the wait, but only because my 2011 doesn't actually need replacing before High Sierra looses support.

nice stats. Yea I really want to start making music again. Haven't in 3 years and it's all I think about every day for the last 1.5 years.

So knowing I'll have the money for it in a month, but wondering if I should wait til Oct is frustrating to me.

If I knew they were coming, I'd wait, but I don't want to wait that long....I'm getting impatient and honestly, I'm coming from using a 2007 MBP so anything is an upgrade so if I find a refurbished model with 27"+i7-7700k + 512 SSD + 8/16 GB ram, I might just grab it....or the i5 model as well.

I could then use for a few years and sell before apple care runs out. I'd rather not have to do that as I want to just buy an imac and be able to make music in Logic Pro X with it for the next 4-6 years.
 

Internet Enzyme

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Yeah, we'll see. But people said the same about May 6th (the 20th anniversary of the original iMac announcement) and the only thing that resulted in was a tweet from Tim Cook that went largely unnoticed. I don't see why the 20th anniversary of iMacs shipping would be "a date too good for them to pass up".

Besides, August 15th is right when the entire Northern Hemisphere (more or less) is out on summer vacations. Not a good time for a PR event. The last time Apple had an event in August was 2002.

My expectation is August 15th comes and goes without a peep from Apple about iMac.

With the iphone’s tenth anniversary last year they didnt really celebrate it until september with the iphone x, even though the og iphone was released in april. So i dont think apple really has any perogative to force their product cycle and announcment to a specific date when they can still get away with the same kind of marketing if they release an imac at an time this year. My guess would be october.
 
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With the iphone’s tenth anniversary last year they didnt really celebrate it until september with the iphone x, even though the og iphone was released in april. So i dont think apple really has any perogative to force their product cycle and announcment to a specific date when they can still get away with the same kind of marketing if they release an imac at an time this year. My guess would be october.

It depends how you look at it. The word "anniversary" isn't mentioned once in the iPhone X event, or in any of the iPhone X marketing. Indeed, Apple specifically suggest at the event that it's something of a happy coincidence that the iPhone X is coming ten years after the original iPhone, and even that warrants only a passing mention. So I don't think it's true to say that there was a celebration of the anniversary. But as Appleaker pointed out, you can believe it either way.

But if Apple chose not to celebrate the tenth anniversary of their biggest and most important product - and arguably the biggest consumer electronics product on the planet - then I don't see why they would for a comparatively unimportant product like iMac. As I've said, I think any celebration of the tenth anniversary of iMac that Apple will do this year has already happened, in the form of a tweet from Tim Cook in May. I don't think it will be mentioned again.
 

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As I've said, I think any celebration of the tenth anniversary of iMac that Apple will do this year has already happened, in the form of a tweet from Tim Cook in May. I don't think it will be mentioned again.

Completely agree with this. I don't think we should expect anything other then a spec bump!
 

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Completely agree with this. I don't think we should expect anything other then a spec bump!
Yep, probably nothing special for the anniversary. I started waiting for a new iMac with high hopes, now I just hope we actually get a spec bump in 2018... I think they'll also add a few things from the iMac Pro such as the cooling system and a T chip. I believe that with the move to ARM, the T chips will prove to be a key factor for macOS support in a few years (something like 10.16 or 10.17 being restricted to Macs with T chips to allow for better integration with iOS, just like they did for Metal in 10.14)
 

Internet Enzyme

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It depends how you look at it. The word "anniversary" isn't mentioned once in the iPhone X event, or in any of the iPhone X marketing. Indeed, Apple specifically suggest at the event that it's something of a happy coincidence that the iPhone X is coming ten years after the original iPhone, and even that warrants only a passing mention. So I don't think it's true to say that there was a celebration of the anniversary. But as Appleaker pointed out, you can believe it either way.

But if Apple chose not to celebrate the tenth anniversary of their biggest and most important product - and arguably the biggest consumer electronics product on the planet - then I don't see why they would for a comparatively unimportant product like iMac. As I've said, I think any celebration of the tenth anniversary of iMac that Apple will do this year has already happened, in the form of a tweet from Tim Cook in May. I don't think it will be mentioned again.

They may be trying to regain some goodwill from the Mac userbase, so they might try and do something a bit nicer. WWDC, this new ad campaign, and that whole mac pro presser seem to show that they still care about the mac and are trying to make amends.
 

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Yeah, we'll see. But people said the same about May 6th (the 20th anniversary of the original iMac announcement) and the only thing that resulted in was a tweet from Tim Cook that went largely unnoticed. I don't see why the 20th anniversary of iMacs shipping would be "a date too good for them to pass up".

Besides, August 15th is right when the entire Northern Hemisphere (more or less) is out on summer vacations. Not a good time for a PR event. The last time Apple had an event in August was 2002.

My expectation is August 15th comes and goes without a peep from Apple about iMac.
You're right, we won't see anything in August. But that's not to say the 20th anniversary isn't significant, but as i've said before its the 20th anniversary year, I don't know why there is an obsession with the specific date, especially when there's very separate announcement and shipping dates. I don't think people said the same thing about the announcement date, it wouldn't have made sense (like this) since this years iMac refresh was always scheduled for Fall.
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I really hope Apple can at least update the iMac to Coffee Lake before summer is out. I work in a high school and I budgeted to upgrade a computer lab with all new iMacs this summer. I can't justify spending $40k+ on year old technology. I hope I am not forced to make contingency plans to upgrade the lab after the school year starts. A lot of my students know I am planning to upgrade the lab this summer, so if they walk in at the beginning of the school year and see our 7 year old iMacs I'll just have to explain to them that Apple is dragging their feet and our new lab will be coming "any day now"....
Well unfortunately that won't be the case, but I highly recommend that you do wait. The situation with refresh consistency isn't ideal but it will be worth the wait, just explain that Apple are releasing a big update next month (at the time it will be the following month). Who knows, we may even see them in September.
 
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I really hope Apple can at least update the iMac to Coffee Lake before summer is out. I work in a high school and I budgeted to upgrade a computer lab with all new iMacs this summer. I can't justify spending $40k+ on year old technology. I hope I am not forced to make contingency plans to upgrade the lab after the school year starts. A lot of my students know I am planning to upgrade the lab this summer, so if they walk in at the beginning of the school year and see our 7 year old iMacs I'll just have to explain to them that Apple is dragging their feet and our new lab will be coming "any day now"....

That sounds awful. See, it's not just insufferable nerds who want some shiny new toys who are clamoring for proper workstation Macs. Their apathy in the market is a huge, huge, problem for many people. They better get on it. August would be fantastic, but October seems perhaps more likely. Even then, who knows if they've decided the iMac is worthy of an update. This game is pretty ******, and I wish they would just get on with it and release the damn products already.
 

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Well, i need a new desktop and can't wait until 2019. I'm expecting the Dell XPS 27 to be updated this summer with 8th generation Intel and either 1050, 1060 or 1080 graphics. Plus it has the SD card slot in the right spot. I just hope they move the webcam to the top in a popup module like the new inspirons that just arrived a few weeks ago.
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I'm with you. I have a 2013 iMac and have been waiting for apple to do something. Real smaller bezels or anything. So can't wait for 2019 going windows if nothing this year!!!
 

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I need a new desktop for my office but I am not buying one because I feel the iMac will be redesigned. (I hope Apple is reading this.). I want a grey one without paying $5000.
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I bought my 2017 iMac in summer 2017 with the 2017 back to school sale. If anything, that makes more sense.

Apple’s Mac release timing appears to be scheduled independently from the back to school sales. They release their Macs when they think they’re ready to be released.

Sometimes that’s after the back to school sale, sometimes before, and sometimes even during so they have to change the sale to include the new models.

Remember, Apple can simply sell old stock on their refurb store. Also, Tim Cook cut his teeth as a supply chain guru. The goal is to keep as little stock as possible.
I think the only ones who really need new computers for "back to school" sales would be college freshmen and possibly high school freshmen. Others are more likely to get new computers for Christmas, after an October event.
 

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Against the new crop of laptops from other manufacturers that were thinner, with thinner bezels, USB-C, and so forth, yes, the 2015 MacBook Pro (which was already a three-year-old design) was somewhat dated.

Don’t see anything that dated about it... unless, of course, you really don’t understand personal computers and are trying to make your power-user/desktop replacement/mobile workstation range compete cosmetically with bling-laden ultrabooks and chromebooks rather than the actual competing products.

The CPU/GPU could have been updated. The TB2 ports could simply have been updated to TB3/USB-C without throwing out everything else. The display could have been updated to the new tech... By all means, offer it in space grey...

The new 2016/7 non-touchbar MBP is closer to what was needed to compete with ultra slim PCs - it would be the most credible machine in the new lineup if only it had been called ‘13” MacBook’ or ‘Retina MacBook Air’ rather than marketed as a knobbled version of the Pro. Seriously, the fact that we have to call it “MacBook Pro without touch bar” speaks volumes...
 

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They may be trying to regain some goodwill from the Mac userbase, so they might try and do something a bit nicer. WWDC, this new ad campaign, and that whole mac pro presser seem to show that they still care about the mac and are trying to make amends.

Yes, to my mind this is the single biggest reason why Apple might do something more interesting than just a spec bump - to counter negative press about the state of the Mac platform. That blog post by the Rogue Amoeba developer on this recently has become something of a lightening rod for that commentary.
 
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Don’t see anything that dated about it... unless, of course, you really don’t understand personal computers and are trying to make your power-user/desktop replacement/mobile workstation range compete cosmetically with bling-laden ultrabooks and chromebooks rather than the actual competing products.

The CPU/GPU could have been updated. The TB2 ports could simply have been updated to TB3/USB-C without throwing out everything else. The display could have been updated to the new tech... By all means, offer it in space grey...

The new 2016/7 non-touchbar MBP is closer to what was needed to compete with ultra slim PCs - it would be the most credible machine in the new lineup if only it had been called ‘13” MacBook’ or ‘Retina MacBook Air’ rather than marketed as a knobbled version of the Pro. Seriously, the fact that we have to call it “MacBook Pro without touch bar” speaks volumes...

Well, luckily for me, I do understand personal computers and that isn’t the comparison I am making.

In 2015 devices like the Dell XPS 13 and the Microsoft Surface devices were giving the MacBook Pro a run for its money and making it look dated by being thinner, lighter, with thinner bezels, smaller footprint, etc. Reviews at the time were commenting on it, if I recall. And if you put these devices side by side, I think the 2012-designed MacBook Pro clearly looks like an older design than the other devices.

Yes, they could have done all those things, but they didn’t. They chose to redesign it. Why would they do that unless they felt that they should?
 

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In 2015 devices like the Dell XPS 13 and the Microsoft Surface devices were giving the MacBook Pro a run for its money and making it look dated by being thinner, lighter, with thinner bezels, smaller footprint, etc.

Gosh, yes, the Dell is 1mm thinner at it's thickest point and tapered... and its a whopping 0.04kg lighter (the 4k model with the 97Wh battery c.f. 99.5 W/h in the Mac)... Thinner bezels top left and right but huge bottom bezel 'cos its got a 16:9 screen. Complete game changer - NOT. Still looks like a plastic bucket full of spare parts alongside even my 2011 MacBoo Pro, though.

However, I'm looking at the specs of the current Dell XPS 15, and the top-end model has the latest 8th gen 6 core Intel i7 processors, 32GB RAM, 1TB of SSD two proper USB 3 ports, HDMI and a separate power connector leaving the USB-C/TB3 port free for the few things that actually need USB-C or TB3...

Know what really makes a "pro" computer look dated? Out-of-date components and tech specs, not whether it's 1mm thicker or a few ounces heavier... Yes, Intel release schedules blah, blah - but that's partly a problem because the Macs are so over-designed that they have zero flexibility in which components they can use.
 

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Yes, Intel release schedules blah, blah - but that's partly a problem because the Macs are so over-designed that they have zero flexibility in which components they can use.

Hit the nail right on the head there..

Also, it looks increasing like there will be newer MacBooks again come sept, but still the desktop is left to rot with the same design as 2012. i give up!!
 
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