No 2018 iMac?!

[EugW]

If the fan at max is really bothering you then disable the turbo boost - on mine it results in only a 5% clock drop (still over 4GHz) and still get hyperthreading so minimal performance hit. And the fan runs a lot slower on full load continuously. Free tools can do this. It’s really not a dealbreaker to get the performance (outside of doubling up to the iMP).

Actually, I just returned it and bought the i5-7600 instead. However, this was back in summer 2017.

I kinda lucked out doing that too. Not only did I save a few bucks, it delayed the final purchase by a couple of weeks, meaning I got to qualify for the 2017 Back-To-School sale too and got free headphones with the purchase.

However, at this point - 18 months later - if I were in the market, I'd just wait and get something like an i5-8500 / i5-9500 instead, even if it meant waiting until say Q1 2019.

 

[mreg376]

Ummm, I just canceled an order for a new 2018 Macbook Pro for my son, which was going to replace his 2012 Macbook Air. After I placed the order I came across 108 pages of complaints on the MBP forum of horror stories about kernel panics and random reboots up and down the entire line of the 2018 MBP's as well as the new Mac Mini relating directly to the T2 chip, which apparently Apple has been unable to correct. The problem has been appearing in the iMac Pro since its release with the T2 last summer. Whether and when Apple may be planning to add the T2 to a future updated iMac may make the current iMac offerings the last problem-free Apple desktops for a while.

 

[BigBoy2018]

It’s clear to me that the next iMac will be crippled by a T2 chip, and it won’t be worth buying (for me anayway). But before I buy a top end 2017 model (likely the last of the great ‘open’ Macs) I will wait and see for sure what Apple releases in the next half year:
I just wish they would release one more version of this same model with the upgraded intel cpu’s and no T2 chip ... but I realize that’s a fantasy that’s very unlikely to become reality

 

[mreg376]

It’s clear to me that the next iMac will be crippled by a T2 chip, and it won’t be worth buying (for me anayway). But before I buy a top end 2017 model (likely the last of the great ‘open’ Macs) I will wait and see for sure what Apple releases in the next half year:
I just wish they would release one more version of this same model with the upgraded intel cpu’s and no T2 chip ... but I realize that’s a fantasy that’s very unlikely to become reality

At this point unfortunately the best we can hope for is a [further] delay in the new iMacs until they either fix the T2 or come out with a good T3. The T1 was OK, at least in the sense that it didn't cause problems. Not sure how they screwed up the T2, but something is amiss. On the other hand, not every T2-equipped Mac reports problems. So who the h*** knows what to do at this point.

 

[mixart]

They could have update the iMac to a 6-core if they want. But since they are holding back till next year, I will bet there will be a new design, display with thinner bezel and of course new hardware inside with better cooling like the iMac Pro and you can choose between silver and space grey.

 

[BigBoy2018]

At this point unfortunately the best we can hope for is a [further] delay in the new iMacs until they either fix the T2 or come out with a good T3. The T1 was OK, at least in the sense that it didn't cause problems. Not sure how they screwed up the T2, but something is amiss. On the other hand, not every T2-equipped Mac reports problems. So who the h*** knows what to do at this point.

Im actually against ANY “t” chip, whether or not it has hardware issues like the t2 apparently has.
To me, the “t” chips are a way for Apple to lock down our macs in the name of ‘security’ I never asked for, and makes the systems once and for all impossible for the user to upgrade/replace the internal hard drive.

 

[Wedlock]

When i read these kind of messages i always have to laugh a little because people on these forums take the hardware faults that are reported as something that must apply to every single mac that comes off the production line.
The fact is that every day hundreds of macs are coming out of the factory and are shipped to stores and many people buy them and are satisfied with their properly working mac and you don't hear from most of them on these forums.
It's only the people that have complaints about a product they bought that will yell foul on every forum they can and they feel even more happy when they find others who have the same problem so they can complain together.
I have no doubt several of you guys will attack me after this message with frases like "it's not a random problem , there is a pattern in all the complaints" but guys seriously you are in the minority.
If it would have affected every single mac with a T2 chip out there Apple would have launched an investigation into the problem and start a program to replace it with a newer chip.

We have 3 iMac Pro's in our sound studio's and never had any problems with them and they are heavily used on a daily basis ( i also have a mac pro if that matters )

Just saying......

 

[Kevbasscat]

When i read these kind of messages i always have to laugh a little because people on these forums take the hardware faults that are reported as something that must apply to every single mac that comes off the production line.
The fact is that every day hundreds of macs are coming out of the factory and are shipped to stores and many people buy them and are satisfied with their properly working mac and you don't hear from most of them on these forums.
It's only the people that have complaints about a product they bought that will yell foul on every forum they can and they feel even more happy when they find others who have the same problem so they can complain together.
I have no doubt several of you guys will attack me after this message with frases like "it's not a random problem , there is a pattern in all the complaints" but guys seriously you are in the minority.
If it would have affected every single mac with a T2 chip out there Apple would have launched an investigation into the problem and start a program to replace it with a newer chip.

We have 3 iMac Pro's in our sound studio's and never had any problems with them and they are heavily used on a daily basis ( i also have a mac pro if that matters )

Just saying......

Lol, well duh, the criteria for even looking for one of these forums has to include something wrong or missing, as far as I can tell. "No, I just showed up cause I wanted to share the joy, with all these like minded people, hehe."

I hear you though. It gets a lil' thick and swampy here, but there is a great deal of good that comes from these shared forums, as well as real knowledge, wisdom and solutions. Everyone has spin, there is no true objectivity, but so what. We're big boys and girls, I think, lol. I know I'm guilty of driving off that negative cliff.

 

[mreg376]

When i read these kind of messages i always have to laugh a little because people on these forums take the hardware faults that are reported as something that must apply to every single mac that comes off the production line.
The fact is that every day hundreds of macs are coming out of the factory and are shipped to stores and many people buy them and are satisfied with their properly working mac and you don't hear from most of them on these forums.
It's only the people that have complaints about a product they bought that will yell foul on every forum they can and they feel even more happy when they find others who have the same problem so they can complain together.
I have no doubt several of you guys will attack me after this message with frases like "it's not a random problem , there is a pattern in all the complaints" but guys seriously you are in the minority.
If it would have affected every single mac with a T2 chip out there Apple would have launched an investigation into the problem and start a program to replace it with a newer chip.

We have 3 iMac Pro's in our sound studio's and never had any problems with them and they are heavily used on a daily basis ( i also have a mac pro if that matters )

Just saying......

I would agree, but this is 108 pages of complaints on the MBP forum here with 2,600 posts, with similar threads on the Apple community forum, plus multiple public articles about the problem. If you haven't purchased yet you'd have to be foolish to spend $2,000+ ignoring this.

 

[Fishrrman]

Bigboy wrote:
"I will wait and see for sure what Apple releases in the next half year:
I just wish they would release one more version of this same model with the upgraded intel cpu’s and no T2 chip ... "

Fearless, FEARLESS prediction:
ANY new iMac released is going to come with the t2 chip.

If you want an iMac WITHOUT the t2, buy a 2017 model. They will be the last desktop Macs that doesn't have them.

"that is all..."

 

[orbital~debris]

Lots of refurbished 2017 iMacs in the (UK) online Apple store right now…

Does this foreshadow a new iMac?

 

[EugW]

Bigboy wrote:
"I will wait and see for sure what Apple releases in the next half year:
I just wish they would release one more version of this same model with the upgraded intel cpu’s and no T2 chip ... "

Fearless, FEARLESS prediction:
ANY new iMac released is going to come with the t2 chip.

If you want an iMac WITHOUT the t2, buy a 2017 model. They will be the last desktop Macs that doesn't have them.

"that is all..."

Hmm... Maybe that is another way I lucked out by buying when I did... No T2, and I've had the thing 1.5 years now.

Lots of refurbished 2017 iMacs in the (UK) online Apple store right now…

Does this foreshadow a new iMac?

No.

 

[Stephen.R]

you'd have to be foolish to spend $2,000+ ignoring this

Or, you know - realise that a small percentage of units of every single thing ever mass-manufactured have faults, and that is literally what a warranty - and in Apple's case, hardware repair programmes too - covers, at zero expense to the consumer.

Apple has a good precedent of repairing wide-spread hardware faults outside of warranty too - I've had 6 mainboard replacements in just two different MBPs over the last decade, and never paid a cent for them.

Might something go wrong with the T2 in this MBP I'm writing on? You bet. Did that stop me buying it? Literally not even a single thought about it. Might something go wrong with the T2 in the Mac mini that's literally on its way to me from China now? Yep. Did that stop me buying it? Not one bit.

If one of them has a fault, I'll take it in, they'll repair it or replace it, and I'll get back to work.

 

[Wedlock]

I would agree, but this is 108 pages of complaints on the MBP forum here with 2,600 posts, with similar threads on the Apple community forum, plus multiple public articles about the problem. If you haven't purchased yet you'd have to be foolish to spend $2,000+ ignoring this.

You don't have to ignore anything when looking to buy something but all i am saying is you are still in the minority.
Let me ask you this, if this is a problem with every mac that uses the T2 chip would Apple just ignore that or would they start an investigation and try to resolve this ?

I believe they would be launching a full-scale investigation into this matter and come with a solution that would satisfy customers because you know they are a business where bad publicity is not a good thing.

Many of those 2600 posts would be from the same group of people who are not happy with their faulty purchase who reply over and over again so not so big a number.

 

[orbital~debris]

No.

Care to elucidate on that proclamation?

 

[Spytap]

Im actually against ANY “t” chip, whether or not it has hardware issues like the t2 apparently has.
To me, the “t” chips are a way for Apple to lock down our macs in the name of ‘security’ I never asked for, and makes the systems once and for all impossible for the user to upgrade/replace the internal hard drive.

I sort of get where you're coming from, but this is exactly the kind of security I've been asking for for a long time now. In an era where simply disposing of one of my old computers comes with the risk of losing literally everything I have (and make no mistake, if you've done taxes, investments, or the like on your machine - the risk is there) I'm genuinely and unapologetically glad that apple has added these chips. The side note of making them basically useless if stolen (and therefore pointless to steal) is another bonus. As I said, I get where you're coming from, but what you're chalking up to invented sinister motives that bother a subset of owners, I'm chalking up to a very real benefit for literally every owner of the hardware.

 

[EugW]

Care to elucidate on that proclamation?

There have been new Macs that come out when few are available on the refurb store, and there have often been lots of Macs on the refurb store many moons before new models come out.

IOW, the number of Mac versions on the refurb store doesn't say much at all regarding new models coming out.

 

[Glmnet1]

In an era where simply disposing of one of my old computers comes with the risk of losing literally everything I have (and make no mistake, if you've done taxes, investments, or the like on your machine - the risk is there) I'm genuinely and unapologetically glad that apple has added these chips.

How does the T2 help in anyway for that? It helps with the performance when encrypting but is obviously not necessary in order to encrypt your data. Also there are a ton of ways to get rid of your data before disposing of your computer. Even more so when your storage isn't soldered to your computer.

It's only really useful if the computer is stolen or located in a public area.

As I said, I get where you're coming from, but what you're chalking up to invented sinister motives that bother a subset of owners, I'm chalking up to a very real benefit for literally every owner of the hardware.

The idea that Apple will use the T2 chip to prevent installing new versions of macOS on unsupported hardware, older Macs and Hackintoshes, is very plausible and is something to be concerned about if you like to keep your Mac for a while. I wouldn't even be surprised if the supported lifetime of Macs once this is in place is slowly reduced from ~6-7 years to the ~4-5 years iOS standard.

 

[Cashmonee]

Care to elucidate on that proclamation?

I would not expect any new iMac to be released until at least February. It is unlikely Apple would release them within the holiday return period.

 

[Zdigital2015]

Lots of refurbished 2017 iMacs in the (UK) online Apple store right now…

Does this foreshadow a new iMac?

No, never does...refurbs are their own entity at this point. Currently, there are zero iMacs and only two iMac Pro configs up for sale on the US store and usually Monday mid-day the list gets refreshed. It’s too late for the refresh to
come out this year.

I think Apple is waiting for the rest of the 9th gen to fill out in Q1/Q2 or they will ship right after the first of the year.

 

[mreg376]

You don't have to ignore anything when looking to buy something but all i am saying is you are still in the minority.
Let me ask you this, if this is a problem with every mac that uses the T2 chip would Apple just ignore that or would they start an investigation and try to resolve this ?

I believe they would be launching a full-scale investigation into this matter and come with a solution that would satisfy customers because you know they are a business where bad publicity is not a good thing.

Many of those 2600 posts would be from the same group of people who are not happy with their faulty purchase who reply over and over again so not so big a number.

Yeah, you have a point. I re-ordered.

 

[JonMPLS]

I just ordered too. Waited as long as I could, but my 2009 (ahem) Macbook Pro is pushing the limits of my patience. Not a power user, but occasional Photoshop and Lightroom. Went with 27", i5, and 1TB SSD.

 

[Kevbasscat]

I purchased the 2017 iMac because I believe it's the last user upgradable iMac Apple will make, and the last without a T* chip. Let me ask you all this. Why are you wanting a 2019 model when it's the last year of the Intel CPU's? If you've waited this long, why not wait till the really new-redesigned iMacs with Apple CPU's and I bet much better graphics are released in 2020? First year jitters a concern? I believe that iMac is worth waiting for IMHO.

 

[Stephen.R]

when it's the last year of the Intel CPU's?

According to whom?

new-redesigned iMacs with Apple CPU's and I bet much better graphics are released in 2020?

I must have missed that press release?

 

[Kevbasscat]

I'm not sure. tbh, it's what I've heard on MacRumors forums for that past year, that 2020 will be the first year of the Apple CPUs, and 2019 is the last year for Intel CPUs in Apple computers. I'm assuredly not the only person to read about this this correct? Lol, obviously there is no press release, silly. Just like every post on this thread is all conjecture and predictions, with zero proof, this is mine.