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When will the iMac be refreshed?

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lars666

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Most people do not need the extra power of i7 processors anyway. i5 have gotten good enough in the meantime :)

I've made a huge mistake in buying the i7 over the i5 with my iMac Late 2014. I didn't need the extra power from maxing out, but the loud fan ramping up so quickly is a huge downer. Still regretting it to this day and learned from it that with my next Mac purchase – no matter if it will be another iMac or, as I plan, a MacBook Pro instead – I'll do my research here first about difference in fan behaviour with the different processors.
 
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fathergll

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I've made a huge mistake in buying the i7 over the i5 with my iMac Late 2014. I didn't need the extra power from maxing out, but the loud fan ramping up so quickly is a huge downer. Still regretting it to this day and learned from it that with my next Mac purchase – no matter if it will be another iMac or, as I plan, a MacBook Pro instead – I'll do my research here first about difference in fan behaviour with the different processors.


We all make mistakes. My 2014 i5 is gloriously quite and runs cool all these years. My mistake was getting the fusion model(though it wasn't that big of one as it was onsale a month after they were released) :)
 
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lars666

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We all make mistakes. My 2014 i5 is gloriously quite and runs cool all these years. My mistake was getting the fusion model(though it wasn't that big of one as it was onsale a month after they were released) :)

If the fusion drive is a mistake, too, I made TWO of them ... :) But no, contrarily to the i7 and its fan noise, I never considered my fusion drive decision a mistake. It was a great solution back in 2014 to get a big hard drive combined with SSD speed advantage and I still think it's fast when opening apps etc. even though I also own a MacBook with "real" SSD to compare. However, if I decide to rock my iMac even a few years more, I am considering to replace my fusion drive with a 2TB SSD as prices for those went down nicely.
 
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Dave245

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If the fusion drive is a mistake, too, I made TWO of them ... :) But no, contrarily to the i7 and its fan noise, I never considered my fusion drive decision a mistake. It was a great solution back in 2014 to get a big hard drive combined with SSD speed advantage and I still think it's fast when opening apps etc. even though I also own a MacBook with "real" SSD to compare. However, if I decide to rock my iMac even a few years more, I am considering to replace my fusion drive with a 2TB SSD as prices for those went down nicely.

I have the 3TB Fusion from when it first came out with my iMac late 2012, so far it’s been great, the large storage and an SSD seem to work nice. When Apple update the iMac (hopefully this year) I’m toying around with getting a full SSD this time around, I’m not sure how much faster it will be but i plan on keeping it for a while so it may be the best option.
 
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CWallace

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Don’t you think 120Hz should have been on the iPhone first though? iOS devices and Apple Watch always get the latest display techs first before any Macs.

I imagine it is driven by the panel manufacturers themselves and what formats (LCD/OLED) and sizes they offer it in.
 

Icaras

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If the fusion drive is a mistake, too, I made TWO of them ... :) But no, contrarily to the i7 and its fan noise, I never considered my fusion drive decision a mistake. It was a great solution back in 2014 to get a big hard drive combined with SSD speed advantage and I still think it's fast when opening apps etc. even though I also own a MacBook with "real" SSD to compare. However, if I decide to rock my iMac even a few years more, I am considering to replace my fusion drive with a 2TB SSD as prices for those went down nicely.

Both the i7 and the Fusion drive, particularly in my case, was a mistake that I don’t intend to make again. About midlife of my 2012 the HDD died and had to get it replaced by Apple which costs a bit of coin outside of AppleCare.

Reaping the benefits of both worlds of storage capacity and sheer speed is wonderful, but it also introduces a higher failure rate since your dealing with twice the drives in your machine, and yea, my HDD bit the dust. Hoping my replaced one can last until the new iMac comes out!
 

fathergll

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If the fusion drive is a mistake, too, I made TWO of them ... :) But no, contrarily to the i7 and its fan noise, I never considered my fusion drive decision a mistake. It was a great solution back in 2014 to get a big hard drive combined with SSD speed advantage and I still think it's fast when opening apps etc. even though I also own a MacBook with "real" SSD to compare. However, if I decide to rock my iMac even a few years more, I am considering to replace my fusion drive with a 2TB SSD as prices for those went down nicely.


Fusion drive killed 2 things for me;

  • Trying to bootcamp Windows was a project itself and in the end after many hours spent I still had to spend more money on a extra drive and cloning software to finally get it to work.
  • I'm into photography and browsing files from 36PM cameras is not fun on a fusion drive. Gotta use external.

It's annoying because SSDs are dirt cheap...I just don't want to open my iMac and do it. I just put a 2TB SSD into my 2012 Mac Mini and it's brilliant despite it's age.
 
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lars666

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Both the i7 and the Fusion drive, particularly in my case, was a mistake that I don’t intend to make again. About midlife of my 2012 the HDD died and had to get it replaced by Apple which costs a bit of coin outside of AppleCare.

Reaping the benefits of both worlds of storage capacity and sheer speed is wonderful, but it also introduces a higher failure rate since your dealing with twice the drives in your machine, and yea, my HDD bit the dust. Hoping my replaced one can last until the new iMac comes out!

Totally understand your argument. In my case, the HDD part of my fusion drive was starting to die (the infamous Seagate 3TB with the extreme high failure rate) a few weeks before the expiration of my Apple Care plan – I got it replaced for free so I hope the new one will make it through the next years. With the SSD prices today, my next iMac definitely will be "real" SSD only.
 
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Icaras

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  • Trying to bootcamp Windows was a project itself and in the end after many hours spent I still had to spend more money on a extra drive and cloning software to finally get it to work.

I totally forgot about this. Bootcamp was all messed up when I tried upgrading my fusion drive to APFS. That destroyed several of my weekends during the High Sierra rollout as the upgrade obliterated my fusion drive. Had to get someone knowledgeable (from MR of course) to walk me through on refusing the drive. I don't know how many times i've had to nuke my fusion drive in the last couple of years. I'll be happy to finally return back to a simple singular drive.
 
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ThisBougieLife

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Don’t you think 120Hz should have been on the iPhone first though? iOS devices and Apple Watch always get the latest display techs first before any Macs.

Don't forget that the first device to get the P3 color gamut was the 27" iMac. So that's not always true.

But in this case since the iPhone did get it first, it may pass on to the laptops before the desktops.

I still think FaceID would be perfect in an iMac. I would love to see that and 120 Hz.
 

lowkey

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That’s weird. I’ve got an i7 late 2014 iMac and I never notice the fans...and I do max it out often running Cubase with lots of VST instruments and FX running in real-time.

Compared to my late 2013 15” i7 MBP, the iMac is basically silent in my studio.

Perhaps there is a problem with your fan? I really have never noticed any fan noise.


I've made a huge mistake in buying the i7 over the i5 with my iMac Late 2014. I didn't need the extra power from maxing out, but the loud fan ramping up so quickly is a huge downer. Still regretting it to this day and learned from it that with my next Mac purchase – no matter if it will be another iMac or, as I plan, a MacBook Pro instead – I'll do my research here first about difference in fan behaviour with the different processors.
 

lars666

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That’s weird. I’ve got an i7 late 2014 iMac and I never notice the fans...and I do max it out often running Cubase with lots of VST instruments and FX running in real-time.

Compared to my late 2013 15” i7 MBP, the iMac is basically silent in my studio.

Perhaps there is a problem with your fan? I really have never noticed any fan noise.

That's really strange – even only playing "Rocksmith 2014", some short flash video (when I still had the Flash Player installed) or something like that rampes up my fans significantly. As soon as I start to e.g. normalize mp3s with mp3gain or even use Handbrake the fans noise gets unbearable. I'm okay with the last case as programs like Handbrake stresses all cores to 100% and that's what the fans were built in for – however, already ramping up that much even with lesser demanding tasks really is annoying. With everything I read, I was assuming that this unfortunately is the normal behaviour with the i7 – so I am surprised (but happy for you) that you don't experience this.
 

lowkey

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^yesterday I was using Cubase on a extended session, for 6-8 hours. The song I’m working on is close to maxing out. There was a decent amount of heat coming off the back of the machine but I couldn’t hear the fans...perhaps my fans are faulty!! Haha. Seriously, they could be a suppose :p

Anyone else with a late 2014 i7. Are the fans loud or quiet?

I’ll check at work today, one of of iMacs there is a late 2014. We are running CAD so it doesn’t get stressed, but again I’ve never noticed the fans.

My 2013 MBP definitely has audible fans.
 

BigBoy2018

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Still missing Core i5-9500, i5-9600 and i7-9700...and suitable GPUs are still not released, sounding like July, based on the rumor mill.

I'm not following. Exactly when is the last time Apple released an iMac with an intel processor that was just released a month or two prior? They always go for the current, entrenched generation chips, not the 'just released' ones.
 

Freida

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I'm not following. Exactly when is the last time Apple released an iMac with an intel processor that was just released a month or two prior? They always go for the current, entrenched generation chips, not the 'just released' ones.
Well, I think that there must be a reason that we have to wait so long for a refresh. I doubt that Apple plans to do a simple specs bump as if that was the case then that could have been out already along with mac mini.
Something is cooking for the iMac and if its not the case then Apple is really failing here.
WWDC will certainly be interesting as we should see Apple Displays, Mac Pro and hopefully iMac too
 
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CWallace

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Well there were the rumors that the refresh rate of the 5K display would be raised from 60Hz to 120Hz, but I have not heard of such a panel being available as of yet, so that could be one of the hold-ups for a refresh.
 

Freida

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Well there were the rumors that the refresh rate of the 5K display would be raised from 60Hz to 120Hz, but I have not heard of such a panel being available as of yet, so that could be one of the hold-ups for a refresh.
What would be the benefit? I thought that refresh rate was important with old CRT screens but the LCD have different system and therefore not as important
 

Zdigital2015

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I'm not following. Exactly when is the last time Apple released an iMac with an intel processor that was just released a month or two prior? They always go for the current, entrenched generation chips, not the 'just released' ones.

Kaby Lake S-Series was released on January 3, 2017, which include all K and non-K variants (18 - 7xx0 SKUs), according to WikiChip, and Apple released the 2017 iMacs on June 5, 2017. So from announcement to release in a macOS-based computer, it took 5 months (CW1-CW23). So, 22 calendar weeks from announced to in a shipping product. It took more than a couple of months, but it was not a year or two later.

Coffee Lake 45w H-Series and 28w U-Series were released on announced and launched on April 2nd, 2018 and Apple released the 2018 13" and 15" MacBook Pros containing those CPUs on July 12, 2018 (CW14-CW24). So ten (10) calendar weeks from announced to in a shipping product.

At this point, Apple is waiting on Intel...the majority of Intel's Coffee Lake S-Series launched in April of 2018, including the Core i5-8500B and Core i7-8700B, which means Apple had them in shipping products in (CW-14-CW44), which was a little under 7 months.

Coffee Lake R-Series (Refresh) - Three (3) 9000-Series CPUs were released on October 19, 2018. Six (6) additional 9000-Series CPUs were released on January 7th, 2019. Nine additional 9000-Series CPUs have yet to announced and released as of today. Should Intel announce and released them in April of 2019 as they have done with CPUs in the past, I do not think it is out of the question for Apple to release an updated iMac as WWDC, although they may not ship until the end of the month, depending on supplies.

I see the 8000-Series going into the 21.5" iMac and the 9000-Series going into the 27" iMac, with a possible overlap of 1 or 2 8000-Series CPUs in the 27" at the lower end. I think the biggest hold up now is the Navi 7nm GPUs. It is clear the Vega 16 and Vega 20 were late or yields were not as expected. Apple is ready to move on from Vega 56 and Vega 64 and is not going to put those or the RX590 in the iMacs just to get something out the door. My guess is that they are waiting for an announcement by AMD (Computex Taipei 2019 is in May) and hopefully AMD is ready for mass manufacturing.

My point was that Apple is not nearly behind the times as people like to joke about in these forums. Apple just is not on a Dell, HP, Lenovo schedule of announce and then wait for CPUs to show up, hoping that Intel doesn't run into a problem. It makes them look cutting edge, but they weren't shipping coffee Lake H-Series laptops any sooner than Apple, it just looked like they were.

Apple is not going to ship until Intel has filled up the product portfolio for a given CPU generation. Case in point, Intel announced the Core i7-8700K, i7-8700, i5-8600K and i5-8400 in September of 2017, and launched in October of 2017. IIRC, laying your hands on the i7-8700K was not easy, they were not plentiful. None of the initial CL-S were plentiful, and Intel did not finish filling out the CPU lineup until April of 2018. Assume another thirty days from launch to in the OEM's hand and that's November, less than 3 weeks before Black Friday. First, there were not enough CPUs for the different tiers of iMacs and then most likely not enough CPUs to keep a steady supply for sale through the holiday. It would have been a mess for Apple. Remember, Intel prioritized the Core i5-8250U and Core i7-8350U CPUs for their PC OEMs, because laptops sell and this was a NEW quad-core CPU, which guaranteed Dell, HP and Lenovo a bang up holiday season. Anyways, just my 2¢.
 
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