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When will the iMac be refreshed?

  • September/October Event

  • November/December Event

  • March/April Event

  • WWDC 2019


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If short people are craning their neck to see the menu bar, then the desk and chair and where the computer sits are the problem.

Blaming the 'chin' for causing ergonomic problems is utterly ludicrous.
Sorry, but you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about here.
 
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Sorry, but you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about here.

You don't either it seems.

There are many factors when considering how to set up a workspace. Most people can be accommodated comfortably with a combination of furniture and monitor placement.. I've worked in a number of studios with scores of people of all shapes and sizes comfortably using 27 inch iMacs.

Removing 'the chin' is not going to unlock a magical range of healthy postures.

Are you suggesting the bottom edge of the screen bezel needs to be flush with the surface of the desk? How much lower does the bottom of the screen need to be to make you happy?
 
You don't either it seems.

There are many factors when considering how to set up a workspace. Most people can be accommodated comfortably with a combination of furniture and monitor placement.. I've worked in a number of studios with scores of people of all shapes and sizes comfortably using 27 inch iMacs.

Removing 'the chin' is not going to unlock a magical range of healthy postures.

Are you suggesting the bottom edge of the screen bezel needs to be flush with the surface of the desk? How much lower does the bottom of the screen need to be to make you happy?
There are many factors, but one very important one is screen height. The chin directly impacts screen height. If you were not aware, the bottom of the visible screen is ~6" above the table. With a screen that is as tall as the 27" is, that's too tall for proper ergonomics for a significant chunk of the population.

Losing the chin and some (but not all) of the empty space below the chin would decrease screen height by a whopping 4". That's a HUGE difference. More importantly though, if desired or necessary, it would be easy to raise the screen for those who would benefit. Even better would be a height adjustable iMac.

In contrast, the current iMac design only allows one to lower the screen height by removing the stand, buying a VESA bracket and VESA mount and switching to that.
 
If you were not aware, the bottom of the visible screen is ~6" above the table. With a screen that is as tall as the 27" is, that's too tall for proper ergonomics for a significant chunk of the population.

I am aware. You are placing people too close to the screen if it is causing problems for a significant proportion of your staff.

Losing the chin and some (but not all) of the empty space below the chin would decrease screen height by a whopping 4". That's a HUGE difference. More importantly though, if desired or necessary, it would be easy to raise the screen for those who would benefit. Even better would be a height adjustable iMac..

Agree that height adjustability would be nice. I have my monitors on articulated vesa mounts.

I'm 6'4", but I don't expect Apple to create a super telescopic base to accommodate me.

Nor should unusually short people expect Apple to redesign the machine for their specific needs.
 
I am aware. You are placing people too close to the screen if it is causing problems for a significant proportion of your staff.
Well, if you're suggesting moving people back in order to reduce the angle to the top of the screen, it suggests to me they're already starting with a problematic setup, since most ideally the top of the visible screen (not bezel) should be at eye height when the screen is slightly tilted. It if is at eye height, then then angle to the top of the visible screen is 0 degrees, and so it does not change regardless of distance.

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Agree that height adjustability would be nice. I have my monitors on articulated vesa mounts.

I'm 6'4", but I don't expect Apple to create a super telescopic base to accommodate me.

Nor should unusually short people expect Apple to redesign the machine for their specific needs.
As mentioned, it's a heluvlot easier to raise a monitor that is too short than it is to lower a monitor that is too tall. To raise a short monitor you can just use a $20 monitor stand you can buy at any office supply store.
 
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Yes, 1000% yes.

My other wishes other than expected spec bumps:
  • Maintain upgradable RAM design.

This is actually the reason why I may not wait for WWDC for new iMacs. First of all, my current iMac (late 2009) is dropping the wifi signal every 48-72 hours, and cannot connect, let alone recognize any other connections unless I restart (dirty install of Sierra did not do the trick). In debating whether or not I should wait til a potential announcement at WWDC, I'm going to go with the 2017 iMacs, especially since the refurb site and B&H have great deals on the 27" WITH UPGRADEABLE RAM! It's also why I'm not going with a Mac Mini and the 20% spec bump that chipset has over the 2017 iMac. I think it will still be a fine desktop computer in 5-7 years.
 
Do you think there's a chance that the new iMac is going to be announced at the special event on March 25, 2019 ?

There was much more expectation when Mac mini introduced and even then they did not come up with new imac. So there is no chance they are going to show us the new imac.

I think we’ll see them in Q4 2019. I am that hopeless and don’t expect any wise decision from Apple for their Mac computers untill Tim Cook goes away. “I’ll believe it when I see it.”
 
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Do you think there's a chance that the new iMac is going to be announced at the special event on March 25, 2019 ?

I think there is a chance we’ll see the new iMac soon.
It might be via a press release some time around the March 25 event, though. (This would be similar to the manner in which the most recent MacBook Pro update was introduced.)
 
I doubt a redesign iMac will be announced via a press release.

It probably depends if the rumoured ‘display performance’ improvements rely on a new form, or if they’re more akin to the upgrade from non-Retina to Retina display where the casing stayed the same.

If the latter, it could be a press release (like the MacBook Pro was last year).
 
I solved all my ergonomic issues with Macs 10+ years ago by using Electric adjustable height desks. Before that I used articulated monitor arms.

WRT the 2017 iMac - it has been an outstanding Pro Audio/(light video editing) machine for me (almost 2 years now). Compared to the Mini it lacks in total cores but in single core speed and video encoding it hangs between 3.9 and 4GHz 100% of the time with temps in the 80s (degC). If they improve the screen that is great but I have zero complaints on that now.

My hope is that they can go for the 6 core i5 in the next model and keep the cooling on par with what I have now, replaceable ram, 4 TB3 ports, and in my dreamworld a single Nvme slot...
 
Do you think there's a chance that the new iMac is going to be announced at the special event on March 25, 2019?

No. And I do not believe it will be announced via a Press Release after, either.

WWDC makes the most sense for me. The Intel CPUs and AMD GPUs it (and the iMac Pro if they choose to refresh it, as well) needs should be in mass production by then and if they are going to change the screen dimensions (like from 27" to 31.5" to match the rumored standalone screen) then that would be the logical time to do so, IMO.
 
No. And I do not believe it will be announced via a Press Release after, either.

WWDC makes the most sense for me. The Intel CPUs and AMD GPUs it (and the iMac Pro if they choose to refresh it, as well) needs should be in mass production by then and if they are going to change the screen dimensions (like from 27" to 31.5" to match the rumored standalone screen) then that would be the logical time to do so, IMO.

This makes a lot of sense to me, too. I do wish that we had more hints/rumors from the supply chain about possible changes.
 
21" is definitely too small, I think 24" is much better but I understand some people don't like these

I was dragged kicking and screaming into buying a 2017 4K iMac. I really wanted a smaller screen. Bigger screens have usability issues with mouse movement distance to the menu bar and dock.

Even to this day, I still find the 21.5" to be "too big". In normal use, I don't use the left 1" of the display and a 3" column on the right rarely gets used. (Maybe the 1" is because I can't get used to having a menu between Apple and File - and I've filled the 3" with the Intel Power Gadget and some Finder desktop icons.)

I really hope doesn't keep making the "small" machine bigger and bigger...

P.s.: if you are a student and you move computer around a lot and you don't like big screens then why do you not have 15"MBP? That would fit everything you've mentioned and in a way perfect device for you, no?

My iMac "replaced" an MBP15 which in turn had replaced a G5 17" iMac. I would have been quite content with a 15.4" or 17" iMac - or a Mini driving a 15.4" or 17" display. But I find a laptop to not be optimal as a desktop machine - I really don't want a keyboard bolted to the base of my display.
 
I do wish that we had more hints/rumors from the supply chain about possible changes.

I’m probably misremembering, but it feels like we used to have many more rumours & leaks about casing, components, specs etc. for the Mac than we get nowadays…

I suppose it’s because the rumour-gatherers have more incentive to be the first with iOS device intelligence rather than anything to do with new Macs.

Couldn’t someone else fill the gap in the rumour market and focus on the Mac? (What I still really wish I understood is why Ming-Chi Kuo didn’t mention the iMac in his projection for this year. If you’re reading this, Kuo, an addendum would be much appreciated!)
 
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I think we will not see new iMacs until Navi is out, which is now rumoured to be in october...Lack or rumours is probably natural given the low profile of iMacs.
 
I’m probably misremembering, but it feels like we used to have many more rumours & leaks about casing, components, specs etc. for the Mac than we get nowadays…

The last Mac case leak we had was in 2016 for what would be released as the MacBook Pro with Touch Bar. I was surprised we never saw a leak of the new MacBook Air case, but as you noted, considering how much more important iOS is to Apple and the general public, that is where the effort is made to leak stuff.


Apple often doesn't wait for the NextBestThing to update a product.

True, but Intel seems to finally be ready to start shipping 10nm CPUs in bulk by 2H 2019 that will work in the iMac and the next generation of Intel Xeon W for the iMac Pro will be announced in May at Computex and also should (hopefully) be available by 2H 2019, as well. So with them not really having a window to announce before WWDC in June, it makes sense for them to announce the iMac (iMacPro) will be using those CPUs and ship in 2H 2019.
 
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True, but Intel seems to finally be ready to start shipping 10nm CPUs in bulk by 2H 2019 that will work in the iMac and the next generation of Intel Xeon W for the iMac Pro will be announced in May at Computex and also should (hopefully) be available by 2H 2019, as well. So with them not really having a window to announce before WWDC in June, it makes sense for them to announce the iMac (iMacPro) will be using those CPUs and ship in 2H 2019.
No, AFAIK, the latest predictions have 10 nm shipping in late calendar Q4, for low power laptops.

ie. Even October 2019 is probably too optimistic for volume Intel 10 nm shipments, and even if it were to ship in October, it wouldn't be for the iMac.

So, most likely we'd get new 14 nm iMacs in mid-2019, and then 10 nm iMacs in 2020.

BTW, my original plan in 2014ish was to wait for 10 nm to be released in 2016 or 2017 to get a new iMac to replace my 2010. I'm glad I had to buy in 2017. It turns out the timing actually was pretty good. Had I not been forced to buy back then and instead decided to wait for 10 nm, I would have had to wait an entire DECADE.

Mind you, a 14 nm 6-core i5 would have made me happy... but it would have still meant waiting for 2019.
 
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Macworld UK has a long writeup on expectations for the next iMac and they predict something to be announced next week.

Would love that as I can’t wait any longer for a new Mac - working off my phone has been hell!
 
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