I know. But i am not interested in the all in one system. My main screen is an Wacom Cintiq 27qhd and i would like to build an triple screen above this wacom screen (like 3x 24"). So the iMac is not my first choice
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I know. But i am not interested in the all in one system. My main screen is an Wacom Cintiq 27qhd and i would like to build an triple screen above this wacom screen (like 3x 24"). So the iMac is not my first choice
Two points:I've added another possibility
- It's far from ancient hardware. If you want the newest hardware, you should buy Dell or HP and shut up.
- Older, understood hardware is more reliable. It's no coincidence, that the Curiosity rover which landed 2012 on Mars uses an RAD750 CPU. RAD750 is a hardened version of the PowerPC 750 CPU, also known as G3. You should recognizes that. And yes, that's ancient.
What seems "ancient", is a consequence of Intel announcing some new architecture and then not delivering. It's hardly Apple's fault.
A design process that values reliability over raw power doesn't switch crucial hardware two weeks before release date, because some guys want 10% more processing power.
Yes, I want every percent of performance, I can get, when I throw NeatVideo on a FullHD clip. But and this is a big BUT, more than that I need a system that doesn't constantly crashes on me. If the system crashes 50% faster, I still have 0% progress.
So the newest Dell or HP setups are crashing constantly? Why using the Rover (an billions dollar high tech machine) as reference vs an 3k Mac Pro? Its just an computer. No science. If you ask me, Apple is not doing us such an big favor by providing us old hardware (and pay premium) because its so reliable. I think, its because the Apple user base simply eats it. Its magic. Really. I miss so much a little bit of healthy criticism. It wil hurt nobody! Just my 2 cents!
Oh no, you're going to be covered in Kool Aid stains. The Apple Apologist Squad is going to come get you in...3....2...1...
Haha, i think they will enjoy my setup at home. Its kinda Apple everywhere. But I have to admit that lately, i am more and more skeptic about the brand yes.
AFAIK, they use that kind of hardware simply because the whole project takes a loooong time to design->build->test->review->redesign->rebuild->retest->review......
And they can't keep upgrading the hardware in between the project, otherwise, they can never finish it. It's not because the older hardware is more reliable, in fact, they will try to get the most modern hardware when in the design phase, because they know when it come to work, it's already obsolete, and very very hard to get replacement if something failed.
From memory, when the shuttle still flying (may be about 10 years ago), NASA had a big headache because it's so hard to get a 8086 replacement. And they can't just upgrade the chip to keep the shuttle flying.
How is healthy criticism defined. By saying Apple is evil?
Yes, their hardware is expensive. Flipside is: I'm still using my Apple hardware from 2008 (MB13 and MP3,1) without thinking to suffer from bad performance. How many people hold that long to their PC stuff?
But to say, that Apple left the Pro space, because YOU don't like their Mac pro redesign, well that might be criticism, but it's not healthy.
If you don't like Apple's hardware offering, buy something else and be done with Apple. Apple will not force you to buy their stuff.
If you hate Apple so much, I wonder, what you are doing here?
It's got nothing to do with 'hating Apple'. Since the introduction of the iPhone the amount of zealots here has got out of control. We used to be able to criticise Apple without this sort of ridiculous remark. Apple is not perfect and anyone who believes so is a fool.
You nailed it. Every computer manufacturer has exactly the same design problem, perhaps on smaller time scale.
No, that sort of "criticism", I think "killer argument" is a better term, exists since Apple was founded.
And i don't think Apple is perfect. Far from that. I never said that.
On the other hand, I don't think, Apple is spoiled either.
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mvc comes here to hock his wares.. as well as do what the others do.. come here to whine and complain about a piece of hardware that's the topic of the forum under the guise of constructive criticism.. they talk down to people using the forum topic hardware and insinuate you're mickeymouse user.. then the real kicker is when they start calling you a troll..
it's the same ol group.. they've been asked thousands of times things like "what do you use your computer for? ..why don't you buy the awesome dell you're always hyping up?.. what the heck are you doing here?" type of questions but will not answer them.
idk.. don't try to point out the error in their ways with the hope of actually changing anything.. they're immune.
it's ok for comic relief though.
This is so basic. Only Apple can create an magic system that works for years and years with zero problems. Come on guys. You don't have worship a brand because you prefer working with OSx. And If we where all a little tiny tiny bit more critical to Apple, it would make the brand so much better.
You can argue if Apple has left the Pro space till the end. In my network of content creators, most of them have left Apple and go for PC configurations. Is that not something to scratch your head about? Its NOT because they dont like OSx or hate Apple. Its because Apple is not looking in our needs anymore. And I feel sad about it. I can choose an maxed out iMac (not interested in an All in one system) or an Mac Pro with expensive Xeon Cpu, expensive dual GPU setup (a lot of graphic software DONT support dual GPU) and expensive ECC memory. Where is the real computer in the middle for us, illustrators, painters, animators, 3D modelers? An machine with a Nvidia setup so we can benefit the CUDA and OpenGL? If Apple really cared about us, the content creators like they did many years ago, things would be different.
But, if you want to stay in the stories like: they use older hardware because its more safe etc etc, do that. I don't buy it just because its Apple. They have to do, and can do a much better job than this.
I am a happy OSx user. And I am really a bad situation. I want to stay with OSx, but there is no system that is working for me. So i have to switch. And there are so many out there in the same position.
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Firstly, rejecting the "Apple is soooo bad" riff is not the same as the "Apple is above criticism" riff. Basic logic.
Secondly, I'm not seeing "little tiny bit more" critic. What I see, ripping apart any small defense of design decision and what not, oftentimes relying an ad hominem attacks a la "Apple zealots". To be clear, "ad honimem" is not a valid argument technique.
MacPros were always expensive, that's nothing new.
I don't have the impression, that Apple doesn't care for creators. It might not be the main focus anymore, but that doesn't mean to be same as don't care.
You don't have to take that because it's Apple. Every server or high value computer manufacturer, which is not crazy, will built around reliable hardware like the XEON, which in itself is built on the CPU platform one or two generations behind the newest desktop CPU platform.
heh.. what?
you've been here 1week longer than the iPhone introduction.. so it was awesome for a week then the zealots moved in?
of course you're right.. there are many people moving from mac to pc..
but the flip side is that there is a larger group moving the other way.
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/10/08/gartner-idc-pcs-3q15/
if you find yourself in the position of no longer being able to use a mac in your work then seek alternatives.. that's fine. that's great even.. but to sit around and 'criticize' at a user forum where no amount of complaint is going to change anything as far as apple's lineup is concerned.. is just annoying to many others.
if you come here and whine, please do so with the idea of "hey, i'm going to go complain about macs at a place where mac enthusiasts hang out" ..and don't expect things to go smoothly.. i mean, why in the world would you expect a smooth conversation under that premise? it's dumb to think you won't face people with counterpoints.. playing the innocent card just adds to the annoyance.
There are some people out there who love Apple like a child loves his mommy. Mommy is perfect, mommy can do no wrong, and that's all there is to it.
I do not love Apple in that way. I love Apple the way you love a spouse, or a sibling, where you love them for who they are but also recognize their faults and challenge them when they are wrong. You may interpret that as hate but it isn't.
If I didn't still love much of what Apple was doing and respect many of their products, it wouldn't be worth the effort to criticize Apple's shortcomings in the pro market. I'd already be gone. I criticize out of love, not out of hate.
Xeon & workstation graphic cards are based on several generations old hardware. If your buying either, your already behind. As already mentioned, if your staying on an Mac platform, cost is largely irrelevant ( Always same price on older hardware ) as they never change their prices and they hold their value for a longer period of time.
Because PC's drop in value so quickly, it might make sense why people don't want to pay the same prices on older hardware. But trying to apply the same PC mentality to a Mac does not work in the same regard.
A lot of software does support dual GPU. Also you don't need to have software that uses dual GPU's to benefit from them. Especially if you use multiple monitors. With Dual GPU's, your monitors run off of one card while the other is used for GPU intensive software. In a single GPU situation, not only does it have to redraw for each monitor, but also for GPU intensive software lowering performance.
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Well put, and especially timely for me.
For the first time EVER all 3 of my siblings are arriving here in LA for a visit at same time this weekend. Love them dearly but certainly don't agree with all of their decisions and am looking forward to some honest discussion.
The starry eyed zealots wandering these pages with kool aid stains on their lips insist that any critisism get moved away. As the nMP becomes less relevant with each passing day their attempts to stifle the truth have gotten more desperate and shrill. They do love Mommy.
First off, the "pro" market is a lot bigger than the creative sector. I'd also like see proof of this dominance. They certainly don't dominate the Film/TV industry.
Don't know how accurate it is, haven't seen it on Macrumors so possibly not very
http://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/Rumor-Apple-Use-Custom-AMD-SoC-Next-Gen-iMac
yet another rumour of iMac with AMD APU's With Apple seemingly moving towards iGPU's on mini, iMac and Laptops then whilst the AMD CPU part is slower, CPU speed isn't increasing that much generation to generation and may be "Fast Enough" for Apple
Such a move would very likely kill of Nvidia's chances of getting back in for a while.
http://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/Rumor-Apple-Use-Custom-AMD-SoC-Next-Gen-iMac
yet another rumour of iMac with AMD APU's With Apple seemingly moving towards iGPU's on mini, iMac and Laptops then whilst the AMD CPU part is slower, CPU speed isn't increasing that much generation to generation and may be "Fast Enough" for Apple
Such a move would very likely kill of Nvidia's chances of getting back in for a while.
Well as some have speculated, and there is a lot of evidence, Apple is gradually moving all consumer computers to system on chip and there will probably be iOS laptops and base model iMacs after the iPad Pro matures. OS X will probably be at the high end top model iMacs and MBP only. Mac Pro will probably be dropped because the best iMac will do it all and is updated more often.
When I can get 32 GiB of RAM, a 2 GiB Quadro card, hot swappable batteries, internal 4G radios and two or three disks in un-Apple laptops - it does make the MBP look like amateur hour.