And Blender and anything else using the GPU that outperforms my M2 Ultra.
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No new M3 Mac Studio. No new adult size iMac…. for YEARS.
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Laptops don’t have the ports that us desktop users need. In fact the Mac Studio is completely filled up now. All ports used. I would get the Mac Pro for more ports but the $3,000 additional cost for almost no gain isn’t worth it.
You do realize that, if Apple were to launch the M4 Studio in March 2025, it would be exactly three years after the launch of the M1 Studio, with the M2 Studio in between?
So Apple will have refreshed the Studio, on average, every 18 months since launch.
So I gather you’re really just complaining about the Mini. Why didn’t it get M3? That’s a good question. I’ll guess it’s because Apple will keep it on the same cadence as the other desktops going forward. It had a special role in the Apple Silicon transition, as both the first Apple-silicon Mac (the 2020 Developer Transition Kit) and the last Intel Mac, but that is over now. So the Mini won’t refresh until the Studio and Pro do.
Or, coming from a 27" iMac, maybe you’re just unhappy about its demise. There are literally tens of thousands of comments about this. I wish people would complain about something that Apple might actually feel the heat about. Because whining about the 27" iMac when the Studio Display exists and you can put it on top of a Mini or a Studio just isn’t productive.
Can we start complaining about the display lineup? I mean, come on, they have killed the iMac/iMac Pro and they are asking us to buy into the Mini/Studio, but all they’re offering us to go with them is a 5K panel that will soon be ten years old, or a five year old Pro Display that is due for a refresh. Can we get a 30" Retina 5760x3240 display with ProMotion?
I can think of about nineteen other possible displays I’d love to see!
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I'd like a standalone version of the 4.5K display that's inside the current iMac, to go next to my iMac as a matching second display. Probably a very niche request, but I can dream!
Not when the M3 Max is better than it in many GPU workloads.
That an adequate M3 chip has been available for almost a year, yet apple chose not to move a finger is what is wrong with the current studio.
those must be the ones with neural engine. GPU workloads on M3 max still can’t match the M2 Ultra by a large margin.
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I ain't buying a new computer that doesn't support AV1 hardware decoding.
Worked out very well for me. Upgraded from an iMac 2020 to Dual Studio Displays with a 14” M3 MBP.
Originally, I was planning on replacing the docked M3 MBP with a M3 Mac Studio Max or Ultra when it came out, but as it turns out, the docked MBP works like a dream. There’s absolutely no need for me to introduce a dedicated desktop. It’s a paradigm shift, for me and presumably many others, hence Apple not feeling urgent to upgrade. Those that need a desktop machine today are reasonably suited with the M2 Studio, and for those more patient, of course an M4 Studio will come out in near future.
Originally, I was planning on replacing the docked M3 MBP with a M3 Mac Studio Max or Ultra when it came out, but as it turns out, the docked MBP works like a dream. There’s absolutely no need for me to introduce a dedicated desktop. It’s a paradigm shift, for me and presumably many others, hence Apple not feeling urgent to upgrade. Those that need a desktop machine today are reasonably suited with the M2 Studio, and for those more patient, of course an M4 Studio will come out in near future.
No Hardware raytracing, no hardware meshes and no dynamic cache.
It's single core is 35% slower than a $1K M4 iPad Pro.
2,800 vs. 3600 geekbench.
While I can appreciate the idea, Im a long time Mac user (1985) and know all the ins/out of BTO, Refrub, etc. I did every permutation, for my studio needs I needed a combo of processor/memory/ports and getting a THB4 hub for the top BTO mini at the time was only 200-300 off the Mac Studio. Not to mention the new aspect of M1 architecture about how much ram is need in the new world, and the limited immediate information for music creators. And above all that, I still had the added cost of the ASD (nano/VESA) that made the price soar.
My gripe is not about meeting a price point as much as they (IMO intentionally) left a big hole in the product line that forced (many of) us to be "up-sold".
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I hear that. All good points. Sounds like Apple knows how to run a business. Not to sound like a pain, but they want to upsell everyone.
of course... doesnt mean it makes the consumer base happy 
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Well if you were a Mac Pro user you’d be familiar with this behaviour… you just need to look at the last decade of Mac Pro updates to see where the thinking is at…
I’m fine with Apple not releasing a new Ultra Studio each year… That’s an expensive machine it should have a suitably long shelf life….
As for a bigger iMac… as I see it apple are screwed either way on this one… If they released a new iMac with a Pro or Max chipset then they would have to put a decent screen in it, maybe not an XDR… but it would need to be OLED and probably 120Hz… and then 32” at least right… sounds very XDR like though, so if it isn’t it’ll be slammed for being less of a thing … they can call it the iMac Pro if they want but it ain’t going to be cheap and it’ll never have the Ultra chip inside if they want to keep it super thin etc… victim of there own design architecture… maybe you could see a 27” iMac based on the Studio monitor with a Pro chipset… same screen so it could sit alongside… I could see that… but then what is it, they’d get panned for releasing that by most folks and probably rightly so…
If that came to be then what…
People would be upset that they waited 20 months for an M4 Studio and in just 7 more months the M5 with brand spanking new 2nm technology will be released in Oct 2025 MacBook Pros and their Mac Studio will be outdated again.
That I have a perfectly functional 27” screen in my old iMac that cannot be used as a screen once the computer inside it is obsolete in a few years. If they had added a HDMI input it would make sense. Or they would have allowed for easier aftermarket upgrades and repairs.
Don’t fool yourself. Apples actions only make sense from a profit standpoint. They will only do something environmental friendly if it benefits the profit margin.
Buy a Windows PC for gaming. You don’t have to do anything else on it so don’t worry about security having your banking info or something like that. Just for gaming. Gaming on a Mac is something you do just because you can, not because it works well or it’s easy.
Depends entirely on the game. BG3, for example, runs wonderfully on my iMac, it is in fact “easy” and “works well”.
Nope, Blender doesn't use the neural engine and my blender work is much much MUCH better on my M3 Max.
I have a MAc Studio M2 Max, and had to put a Caldigit TS4 dock, because it does not have the ports I need. Wonderfull machine though.
The M3 24” iMac should be plenty enough for most people. And if you have an iPad, it can serve as a second display. And I’m sure that for the tiny minority that requires something larger than 24”, if the M2 Max is too slow then they can wait for the M4 end or this year
