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I posted this elsewhere, my favorite iPhone ever was the 6S - it was pocketable and capable. This SE is actually a great phone. Unfortunately the 4" size doesn't work with modern smartphone tech anymore (which needs a decent size screen to view video and photo content)

I’d wager it’s nothing really to do with just ‘technology doesn’t incorporate into a small 4 inch’ iPhone anymore, it’s simply because it’s not a popular display size in general, when you look at the average size smart phone is 5.2 inches and above.

That said, the reason Apple is offering a 4.7 iPhone, it’s simply a placeholder for the next two years as an entry-level iPhone for other emerging markets.
 
There's still some confusion/debate as to how large the 5.4" model will be. Here's a MacRumors post talking about the upcoming iPhone 12 lineup:
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If you look at the screenshot that is featured, it shows the 5.4" iPhone 12 alongside a 4.7" iPhone. I think some misinterpreted that to mean that the 5.4" iPhone 12 would be roughly the same physical size as the *old* SE (because, at the time that screenshot was taken, the new SE wasn't out yet). But note that above the phones it states "2020". So that is actually the 2020 iPhone SE. So, this rumored 5.4" iPhone 12 will actually be about the same physical size as the just-released 2020 iPhone SE, but with an edge-to-edge (plus notch) screen and no TouchID (unless they add a new form of TouchID to the side or back).

So, it's looking like the upcoming high-end iPhone 12 5.4" will not be a smaller phone, after all. And, if this is accurate, it will be *harder* to use one-handed than the 2020 iPhone SE, as the screen will be larger, requiring more awkward thumb-stretching to reach all corners of the screen.
Surprised they are going all OLED.
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As far as phone sizes, not really. Android phones have been trending bigger long before iPhones did. That's one of the reasons I've stuck to iPhones for so long. There weren't good small choices on the Android side (I prefer Motorola or Google for AOSP/minimal skinning).
Still true, Android phones are going 7”+ this year.
 
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There's still some confusion/debate as to how large the 5.4" model will be. Here's a MacRumors post talking about the upcoming iPhone 12 lineup:
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If you look at the screenshot that is featured, it shows the 5.4" iPhone 12 alongside a 4.7" iPhone. I think some misinterpreted that to mean that the 5.4" iPhone 12 would be roughly the same physical size as the *old* SE (because, at the time that screenshot was taken, the new SE wasn't out yet). But note that above the phones it states "2020". So that is actually the 2020 iPhone SE. So, this rumored 5.4" iPhone 12 will actually be about the same physical size as the just-released 2020 iPhone SE, but with an edge-to-edge (plus notch) screen and no TouchID (unless they add a new form of TouchID to the side or back).

So, it's looking like the upcoming high-end iPhone 12 5.4" will not be a smaller phone, after all. And, if this is accurate, it will be *harder* to use one-handed than the 2020 iPhone SE, as the screen will be larger, requiring more awkward thumb-stretching to reach all corners of the screen.
It kinda doesn't compute though unless this has even bigger bezels than Xr/11.

At iPhone 8 chassis size (5.45" x 2.65") and bezel thickness of 5mm or 0.2", you should get a diagonal screen size of ~5.5". At 0.177" bezels (11 Pro), diagonal screen size is ~5.6". Mind, the iPhone 8 chassis is ~6" corner to corner.

I expect a 5.4" iPhone is definitely bigger than 5s/SE1, though. Without any bezels, the 5s is already 5.4" diagonal. Question now is whether it's closer to iPhone 8/SE2 or 5s/SE1 size. That's gonna depend on how thin Apple can make the bezels.

This one is likely more accurate:
i apparently missed some latest rumours.
this graphic was generally thought to reflect rumoured sizes.
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its from a japanese site (sorry the graphic itself has japanese in it, but the word that is used in each graphic simply means "inch")
i was considering holding off purchasing the new 2020 iPhone SE until the rumoured 5.4 inch launches this Sept/Oct 2020.
but if it really does look like the the 5.4 inch model will have physically larger dimensions than the new SE, i will probably just buy the SE now to replace my ageing 6s.
 
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Huh? Android phones in 2011 were first to introduce 5" and 6". That was before Apple copied the trend.

The Galaxy S2 was tiny and you could still easily find a smaller display on Android or iOS platforms in 2011. In 2020 you can't find anything sub 4.7" at the least.

No company in 2020 listens to the free market anymore. Even if no one bought the new SE 2 period, Apple wouldn't even care. They'd still make huge displays like everyone else. The days of differentiation in phones has been gone since at least 2013. Since when did marketing firms become the way companies perceive demand instead of consumer demand itself? The firms are way out left field. No one was wanting a huge screen when they started showing up. Remember the Nexus 6 being a huge flop? anyone? Bueller?

Why even start the trend if no demand exists? risky proposition.
 
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The Galaxy S2 was tiny and you could still easily find a smaller display on Android or iOS platforms in 2011. In 2020 you can't find anything sub 4.7" at the least.

No company in 2020 listens to the free market anymore. Even if no one bought the new SE 2 period, Apple wouldn't even care. They'd still make huge displays like everyone else. The days of differentiation in phones has been gone since at least 2013. Since when did marketing firms become the way companies perceive demand instead of consumer demand itself? The firms are way out left field. No one was wanting a huge screen when they started showing up. Remember the Nexus 6 being a huge flop? anyone? Bueller?

Why even start the trend if no demand exists? risky proposition.

The Galaxy Note was a 5.3" smartphone released in 2011. The followup versions were 5.5", 5.7", and 6.3". There were a bunch of other Android phablets during that time from Huawei, ZTE, and LG.

Apple launched the iPhone 6 Plus in 2014 after realizing how popular phablets were. Previously, Apple relied on a strategy of selling small iPhone paired with an iPad. By 2013, iPad sales had plateaued and Apple quickly reversed course.
 
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The Galaxy S2 was tiny and you could still easily find a smaller display on Android or iOS platforms in 2011. In 2020 you can't find anything sub 4.7" at the least.

No company in 2020 listens to the free market anymore. Even if no one bought the new SE 2 period, Apple wouldn't even care. They'd still make huge displays like everyone else. The days of differentiation in phones has been gone since at least 2013. Since when did marketing firms become the way companies perceive demand instead of consumer demand itself? The firms are way out left field. No one was wanting a huge screen when they started showing up. Remember the Nexus 6 being a huge flop? anyone? Bueller?

Why even start the trend if no demand exists? risky proposition.
Galaxy S2 was 4.3" released back when iPhones were still 3.5". Galaxy S3 was already at 4.8" before Apple even released the 4" iPhone 5. The Galaxy Note paved the way for larger smartphones.

On tech blogs, I see a lot of Android fans lambasting the tiny 4.7" display on the iPhone SE (2020).

I prefer compact phones myself but if the demand is as large as you say it is, we'd see more small phones. As it is, Apple's one of the few (if not only) manufacturers still making sub-5" smartphones with fairly modern/fast chipsets.
 
No company in 2020 listens to the free market anymore. Even if no one bought the new SE 2 period, Apple wouldn't even care. They'd still make huge displays like everyone else.

These are ridiculous statements. It’s not how business works.
 
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No, free market economics at its most elementary level:

Demand for x is satisfied by company producing supply y.

Supply and demand. If there's a demand for meat, farmers produce it. If there is not, it makes no economic sense to produce a product for a net loss..

But this seems lost on the younger generations lately. As well as the companies. I remember many attempts to rebrand and cater to the young failing miserably for companies. Remember Buick trying to lose the 'old people buy Buicks' image in 1987 by releasing the Reatta with all that touchscreen crap? it flopped. A similar attempt to appeal to the young's obsession with Hondas in the late 1990s by rebranding Oldsmobile and losing the American image and being more euro-styled basically ended Oldsmobile since none of their customers wanted a Honda badged as an Oldsmobile. They just started buying Buicks instead.

But today companies seem to produce supply before sufficient demand exists. That's risky. One might create a demand and get lucky but it's a gamble at best.

As for the Galaxy Note, it was a niche product when it first launched and even today is an option and not something melded into the later Galaxy-S series. The Galaxy Note was more a pro line product and the S series the consumer standard. Today, everything seems to be phablet or die, even with a good demand for the opposite.

I'd rather there at least be an option for a smaller display and let the companies offer BOTH and see what actually sells instead of listening to tech bloggers and media pundits. That kind of bias is why you see phones made out of fragile glass and metal and almost every smartphone you see people use in the wild has a shattered display. The only real reason Samsung stopped using plastic (was it really that bad?!) was because every tech blogger craved metal for fashion. Form over function I will never understand.
 
for one a ton of people here clamoring for it and I like to believe they're not alone.

The fact is there is a demand and NO ONE is supplying it. Same for those of us who want a headphone jack and IR blaster. You might not see it but it does exist.

No one has answered my questions either: "When was there a demand for larger screens?" "Was Apple actually losing sales by not offering more than 3.5"?

One of the reasons I hold onto my 6S and Galaxy S5 is because they offer far more features than a far more expensive modern smartphone. All modern phones offer is huge screens that won't fit my pockets, a design far more easily broken in a drop, and missing features I still use, namely, a home button, Touch ID, and a headphone jack.

Not that I actually need a new phone, but if anyone made one that felt like an upgrade rather than a downgrade I might consider it when mine age to a point that they no longer fit my needs.
 
for one a ton of people here clamoring for it and I like to believe they're not alone.

The fact is there is a demand and NO ONE is supplying it.

That’s not persuasive at all. Firstly, this forum doesn’t represent the larger market, which is what Apple would care about.

Secondly, I get that you’d “like to believe” it but that doesn’t make it so.

Again, if there was a profitable demand to be fulfilled, then LG, Samsung, Apple, or someone would love to step in to make $ from it.
 
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for one a ton of people here clamoring for it and I like to believe they're not alone.

The fact is there is a demand and NO ONE is supplying it. Same for those of us who want a headphone jack and IR blaster. You might not see it but it does exist.

No one has answered my questions either: "When was there a demand for larger screens?" "Was Apple actually losing sales by not offering more than 3.5"?

One of the reasons I hold onto my 6S and Galaxy S5 is because they offer far more features than a far more expensive modern smartphone. All modern phones offer is huge screens that won't fit my pockets, a design far more easily broken in a drop, and missing features I still use, namely, a home button, Touch ID, and a headphone jack.

Not that I actually need a new phone, but if anyone made one that felt like an upgrade rather than a downgrade I might consider it when mine age to a point that they no longer fit my needs.
Your Galaxy S5 has a 5.1" display, is bigger than the new SE and around the same size as the 5.8" 11 Pro.

Certainly, I know a lot of folks who switched to Android for the bigger displays and then went back to Apple in 2014 when they released the 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone 6/6+.

The 6+ had a preorder wait time that was 1-2 months long. Apple's servers could barely handle the load. I remember starting to refresh the site before 12AM Pacific and at 2AM, I just received a notice that I was on a waiting list and I was given a reservation number and that I'll get an email later when they're ready to take orders again.

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Better adapt to Apple's current iPhone size lineup as the new SE is currently the smallest phone they sell, and soon may be the second smallest (after the 5.4").
 
The SE from the pictures is just another 6S. Right down to the 4.7" screen, home button/Touch ID sensor as well as overall design--only missing one of the 6S's features--a headphone jack. Wouldn't it make more sense to buy the 6S for literally $99 at Wal-Mart or Best Buy instead? I don't see an 'upgrade' at all.

As for my S5, it still offers more features than a modern phone (same for my 6S--more function for less $$) but 5.1" is my limit. I had a Note 2, Note 3, Note Edge, as well as the Galaxy S8 and S7. I was not happy with them being either too wide or too long for my pockets--it stretched them where you could obviously know a smartphone was there by just looking at me. The top edge of my S8 poked out of my pocket and got dinged up there being pretty exposed. My 6S (with case) and S5 feel less obvious and you hardly know they're there. 5.1" is the largest I can even use one-handed. I'd love to find something smaller and older in the future one day, perhaps an S3 or S4. Obviously nothing being made today feels very game breaking and nothing compelling enough to upgrade to. I'm not into the latest and greatest if it offers me nothing I don't already have.

Much of my use lately is on my Apple Watch and iPod touch. The iPod has a 3.5" display I think...It's the most comfortable to use one-handed, even more so than my 6S. Apple Watch is my primary music player as well as phone/messaging (phone via AirPods). I like smaller displays. Those who enjoy bricks, well, enjoy your bricks, I suppose.
 
I recently put up a stink and vowed I’d never buy the new SE.

I placed my order today. 🙄😁

I prefer the original SE size, but I’m willing to give this one a shot. We’ll see, if I don’t like it then it goes back to Apple.
 
The SE from the pictures is just another 6S. Right down to the 4.7" screen, home button/Touch ID sensor as well as overall design--only missing one of the 6S's features--a headphone jack. Wouldn't it make more sense to buy the 6S for literally $99 at Wal-Mart or Best Buy instead? I don't see an 'upgrade' at all.
iPhone 7/8 have considerably better battery life than 6S so I expect so will the SE 2. Even if these Tracfone/Straight Talk iPhone 6S are technically brand new in box, I expect the years on the shelf (possibly getting fully discharged) have taken their toll on the battery.

We got a couple of these discounted 6S as backup phones (set up as new, no extra apps installed) and even from full charge, they're dead within a day even with absolutely zero usage.

The modern chipset and extra RAM on the SE 2 should also mean it will be supported years longer than the 6S.
 
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I’ve had my 1st gen SE for over three years now. I absolutely love the phone and it performs better than ever thanks to the most recent iOS updates.

Like many here, I was happy to hear that Apple was releasing a new SE and was not surprised that the 2nd gen model is basically an updated 7/8 with the latest A13 chip.

I think the 2020 SE is a terrific phone and packs a great bang for the buck… but I’m going to pass for now.

First, size does play a factor – a huge one to pardon the pun – not price. I simply prefer a smaller phone. Period. I like being able to easily use it one-handed and place the device into the front pockets of my trousers and jeans. I’m not a gamer, so I don’t need a massive screen. I do not have any issues viewing video content, reading text or typing on a 4” screen. The 1st gen SE’s physical size is close to perfect for me.

Compared with the 1st gen SE, the 2020 SE’s battery life is nearly identical as are the two phones’ cellular and wireless hardware. Pixel resolution is identical. Yes, the front and rear cameras and the software are superior on the 2020 SE, it has the option for wireless charging, offers stereo speakers and is rated for water resistance. But these advantages are not compelling enough for me to make the switch and, to be very honest, the 2020 SE’s form factor does play a role. I really want my next new phone to offer the latest and greatest in technology and be modern in design. The 2020 SE does not provide this.

If I had to buy a new mobile device right now, I’d buy a 128gb 2020 SE without question, given its physical size. But I don’t need to buy a new device. There’s nothing wrong with my 1st gen iPhone. So I’m going to stick with it until Apple no longer provides my SE with iOS upgrades, it becomes too slow or buggy to run apps and perform daily functions, or battery life goes off the cliff.

This being said, I’m really curious about the rumoured 5.4” iPhone 12. If it is close to the same physical dimensions as the 2020 SE, has a longer battery life and support for the 1st gen SE stops with iOS 13, then I will most likely buy one at launch or shortly thereafter.
 
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I had an iPhone 5s. When the 6 came out I didn't like the way it fit in the hand. But after 2 years with the 5s, I decided to buy a 6s. I returned it after 2 days -- too big. Fortunately Apple gave us the 5-based SE and that's what I have been using. I have spent a lot of time playing with the bigger phones in stores, but prefer the SE. I even bought and returned an XR after 1 day of use. While I like the idea of the 8-based SE, I am not upgrading immediately.

I plan to buy the lightest phone in the lineup when I think I need a new phone, either because it feels too slow. I feel it's borderline slow now itself, so by the time we have iOS 14 I think I will feel it even more. I think I will wait until the 5.4" phone is out.

The other issue that concerns me with the newer phones is the OLED PWM.
 
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If you post on a public forum, expect to get public replies! It is intended for everyone to use, read and reply as they wish.

I think you are wrong. Plus your not even reading my reply. You say you will pay a premium for an SE sized device when I just said there will be one! The 5.4" is literally a couple of mm larger all round than what the SE is. They cannot get todays tech into anything smaller.

People have different sized hands, so saying even a SE is too large and "dangerous" to use is ridiculous. I can genuinely use a 6/7/8 one handed without a single issue. As can many others. You say you have "long fingers" compared to most, yet find even the SE too large? Doesn't add up I'm afraid.

Also as a side note, you say the new generation of phones are slippery - that's not actually the case. The glass backs actually give the phone grip against the skin compared to simply cold metal.

A large phone is uncomfortable to carry, I agree. But the 6/7/8 in my pocket feels hardly any different to my SE does because it is also thinner, and it has curved edges which aren't sharp when the device is used for any period of extended time.

If you think that Apple didn't do any market research your delusional. You think they just produce something, throw it onto the market and hope for the best? Seriously, they wouldn't be the success they are if that was their practise. If it were, you'd have new "innovations" every year that were simply gimmicks that they hoped would sell. That never has been Apple's business strategy.

I never said that Apple think EVERYONE wants larger phones, in fact they've done this to offer the smallest from anything else they offered, 8 aside which they could have just pulled from the line up anyway with no other option forcing many to buy the XR or 11 as the next cheapest option, or the 5.8" Pro model as the smallest offering. How much do you think producing a new small phone would cost? Including new tooling, testing, sourcing new materials and time on designs etc? More than you probably even realise. Where as the new SE enabled them to make it for next to nothing in comparison, and pass that saving onto the customer.

As an example, if Apple could (they can't) fit the later camera tech, improved modem, updated the processor and GPU and other bits - yet it came out in the same old SE form factor, how many do you think would buy it? Would it attract buyers over from Android devices or make people consider replacing their older 6,6s,7,8 devices? No it wouldn't. It would cater for the small amount who love the SE, and they are right to love it, it's a great device as I've already said. But your looking at it from your own personal wants, not the masses.

Think about it this way... if Apple make such as successful phone that offers great specs for a small amount compared to the flagships, it's only going to mean that they won't be able to increase the prices so easily on the next line of phones as the gap won't be big enough to warrant the price difference for many. This will also mean that Apple are catering for more people's wants, including original SE owners by offering the 5.4" phone later this year! It will have all the latest tech, and probably be around $650-$700 but with a squared design very similar to the original SE. Surely that is good enough for the people who want small? I don't see any one else offering anything similar in the market that anyone would genuinely buy and trust to last long term.
Thanks for your OPINION.
 
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I’m the opposite, i still have an old Touch which is 4 inches, I now use a 6S Plus and am struggling to go back to a 4.7 screen.
 
It’s the same screen as a 7..

All these big phones mean just one thing.

Time to move back to a flip phone.
 
It's ^^ posts that keep this going on. "just get used to it"

Gee I bet that always works right? Why not vote NO and make real change happen? let the free market decide instead of the corps deciding for us and we have to just accept it?

Instead of adding in software features that just admit there's a problem with large displays, why not just do the logical thing and well, make a smaller display? offer it as an additional option? why is that hard? satisfy more people rather than less?

People are already staring into smartphones to a scary degree, that even car infotainment systems are allowing people to twitter while driving, does anyone else find it scary?

The original intent of a smartphone was a convergence device to have one thing to carry instead of countless others. instead of having a separate camera, MP3 player, and remote control the smartphone did all of that in one package. what happened to that?
Thanks for your OPINION.
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What modern tech? they have taken stuff out and do far less? who was clamoring for 4 cameras? I'd rather have the function of a home button (especially if the touchscreen dies), IR blaster, headphone jack when I forget to recharge my headset, and removable battery so my phone isn't destined for a landfill in 2 years.

There were pictures and videos to prove removing the jack wasn't necessary to do whatever they were doing with the iPhone 7. The 'it needed the space for the new taptic engine' was an excuse and unfortunately folks took it hook line and sinker.

If this were simply confined to Apple it'd be less of an issue. Anyone who wanted a smaller display or the features I listed above could just get a Samsung Galaxy or some other make. But the reality is every smartphone brand these days takes Apple's word as gospel so now we got no new phones that are notchless or have a headphone jack. The last phone with an IR blaster was the LG G3
So don’t buy an iPhone. Problem solved.
 
Thanks for your OPINION.

You are welcome, it's certainly more informed than some it would seem. :cool: /s

I never said it was anything but my opinion though, it was in reply to a previous post and most of my reply is based on fact, not my own view.
 
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You are welcome, it's certainly more informed than some it would seem. :cool: /s

I never said it was anything but my opinion though, it was in reply to a previous post and most of my reply is based on fact, not my own view.
How is it better informed? Because you prefer a phone size that is dead? 🙄
 
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