Note 7 on blast

[Radon87000]

And yet again none of that is from a known manufacturer issue that is specifically linked to batteries and ina specific model of a device that causes the batteries to combust under normal use. We are still at apples and oranges.

At least Samsung cared enough about their customers to start a recall?Does Apple even listen to its customers?Touch Disease,Hissgate?Hello??

Just look at media lambasting Apple left and right here since the last 2 days

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story...e-engineering-flaws-of-all-time-touch-disease

http://www.inquisitr.com/3520192/apple-ignores-iphone-6-touch-disease-to-market-iphone-7/

"While we have been left in the dark for so long as to why Apple continued to ignore the pleas of the iPhone 6 users despite the good faith its users have exemplified towards the company, we now believe that this is Apple’s ploy to push its patrons to upgrade to the new iPhone models to solve their problems. Why continue whining if you can solve your problems by purchasing a new iPhone 7? The iPhone 6 is obsolete by now with the iPhone 7 out, anyway."


iPhone 7 rocks.Who cares about those 2 year old 6 customers.A drop in the pond

 

[I7guy]

You're joking right? Apple phones made in China, Apple withholding taxes, Chinese workers committing suicide because of working conditions assembling IPhones?

Not wanting to equate all this to exploding note 7:
- eu is going after a laundry list of companies that "did the same as apple"
- Samsung uses the same factory and workers
- Samsung poisoned their own workers

So let's not cast stones...

 

[vikingjunior]

Yeah it was Brooklyn! Dunno where I got Japan, I don't even think they sell many Samsung phone there.



Oh, well... that's actually much worse. Nothing costs a foreign company more than injuring americans and nothing costs any company more than injuring kids. I'm not kidding or trolling when I suggest Samsung walks away from the Smartphone table. They had a good run, and almost came close to giving apple a run for its money... but the good times have ended and Samsung has nothing but lots of profit to lose and little, if any, to gain from staying in a business they clearly are terrible at. If Samsung is smart, which it isn't, they will walk away from the table with their best-in-class ASP (A whole 30-40% of Apple's! That's amazing by android vendor standards) and feel good about all the dumb american consumers, like myself, they duped into buying their phones when they could've been enjoying a sweet washer/dryer or air conditioning unit.


It's gonna be a hard, hard winter on Seoul this year.

You sound like one of those people who said Trump would never make it out the primaries. Samsung will forge on.

 

[I7guy]

At least Samsung cared enough about their customers to start a recall?Does Apple even listen to its customers?Touch Disease,Hissgate?Hello??

Just look at media lambasting Apple left and right here since the last 2 days

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story...e-engineering-flaws-of-all-time-touch-disease

http://www.inquisitr.com/3520192/apple-ignores-iphone-6-touch-disease-to-market-iphone-7/

"While we have been left in the dark for so long as to why Apple continued to ignore the pleas of the iPhone 6 users despite the good faith its users have exemplified towards the company, we now believe that this is Apple’s ploy to push its patrons to upgrade to the new iPhone models to solve their problems. Why continue whining if you can solve your problems by purchasing a new iPhone 7? The iPhone 6 is obsolete by now with the iPhone 7 out, anyway."


iPhone 7 rocks.Who cares about those 2 year old 6 customers.A drop in the pond

So again, you are comparing an inconvenience against a cpsc product recall. Samsung doesn't "care" it was forced to.(its funny how Samsung "cares " about its customers and Apple doesn't . This is profit motive at its worst back firing in the worst possible way.)

 

[Radon87000]

So again, you are comparing an inconvenience against a cpsc product recall. Samsung doesn't "care" it was forced to.(its funny how Samsung "cares " about its customers and Apple doesn't . This is profit motive at its worst back firing in the worst possible way.)

Do you have proof it was profit motive?On what grounds do I say Samsung cares?They did something,Apple did nothing.And yes he TouchDisease law suit is going to cost Apple but thats Timmy's plan anyway.The cost of losing those customers must be ,EST than he revenue gained from the subet of customers being forced to upgrade to iPhone 7 due to planned obsolescence

And I would call losing a $1000 phone in 2 years more than an inconvenience.Imwould be furious

 

[Radon87000]

You sound like one of those people who said Trump would never make it out the primaries. Samsung will forge on.

Of course they will,Otherwise Toyota would have been dead years Ago

 

[I7guy]

Do you have proof it was profit motive?On what grounds do I say Samsung cares?They did something,Apple did nothing.And yes he TouchDisease law suit is going to cost Apple but thats Timmy's plan anyway.The cost of losing those customers must be ,EST than he revenue gained from the subet of customers being forced to upgrade to iPhone 7 due to planned obsolescence

And I would call losing a $1000 phone in 2 years more than an inconvenience.Imwould be furious

its funny, nay ironic, that only Apple has a profit motive. Samsung is altruistic. And proof of that is built like a house cards. And again you're comparing apples to oranges.

Losing $1000 is certainly more inconvenient than getting maimed in one of these fires.

 

[macfacts]

its funny, nay ironic, that only Apple has a profit motive. Samsung is altruistic. And proof of that is built like a house cards. And again you're comparing apples to oranges.

Losing $1000 is certainly more inconvenient than getting maimed in one of these fires.

Samsung cares about customers. Apple cares about investors.

When ever Apple does something that doesn't make sense, pretend you are an investor and it all makes sense.

 

[Radon87000]

its funny, nay ironic, that only Apple has a profit motive. Samsung is altruistic. And proof of that is built like a house cards. And again you're comparing apples to oranges.

Losing $1000 is certainly more inconvenient than getting maimed in one of these fires.

You did not answer my question as to proof that batterygate had anything to do with profit motive?I never stated Samsung didnt have a profit motive.Batterygate was a manufacturing flaw which could happen to anyone.Point is that in addition they care about customers because they initated a recall with such speed I doubt Apple will ever do considering their behaviour with Error 53,Touch Disease and Hissgate.

Except less than 1% were actually affected.Now how many percentage of Apple's customers are affected by Touch Disease?The answer is 100% of iPhone 6 customers including me and potentially the buyer who I am selling the phone next month (waiting for all the gates to spill out).11% of repairs account for Touch Disease.So yes in the real world those dollars they lost is more than inconvenience especially because of boneheaded decisions by Apple

Apple dont give a **** tho.Gotta keep that iPhone 7 inventory moving by any means necessary (also a sidenote about developing a heavily scratching iPhone which is also the best color to entice customers to get it and force them to get a case increasing accessories sale and to top it off make it have a base storage of 128 gigs.Now this is profit motive at its finest)

 

[amac1302]

I think Samsung took the right path, and the coverage is appropriate in this case. The real issue is that it reveals that Samsung does not follow proper manufacturing tracking. Look at the early S7 water resistant failure, in that case there is no recall since it is not a safety issue and they have no idea which phone / serial numbers are effected. They also did not track lot numbers for the Note 7, therefore they have to recall all not made in China phones. If they did, it probably be a smaller recall, assuming it really is a manufacturing defect. It may be a design defect, therefore you have to recall all of them.

Unfortunately, Apple would perform a full and proper investigation which takes time and not reveal the problem until they get the results and action plan. I'm not sure what they would do in a severe safety situation like this.

 

[Vegastouch]

Apple can and do wrong, but your lack of simple logic given the facts is worrisome.

Lol, this statement is worrisome. You just can't faze those who don't want to be.

 

[I7guy]

Samsung cares about customers. Apple cares about investors.

When ever Apple does something that doesn't make sense, pretend you are an investor and it all makes sense.

Believing the hyperbole doesn't make it true.

You did not answer my question as to proof that batterygate had anything to do with profit motive?I never stated Samsung didnt have a profit motive.Batterygate was a manufacturing flaw which could happen to anyone.Point is that in addition they care about customers because they initated a recall with such speed I doubt Apple will ever do considering their behaviour with Error 53,Touch Disease and Hissgate.

Except less than 1% were actually affected.Now how many percentage of Apple's customers are affected by Touch Disease?The answer is 100% of iPhone 6 customers including me and potentially the buyer who I am selling the phone next month (waiting for all the gates to spill out).11% of repairs account for Touch Disease.So yes in the real world those dollars they lost is more than inconvenience especially because of boneheaded decisions by Apple

Apple dont give a **** tho.Gotta keep that iPhone 7 inventory moving by any means necessary (also a sidenote about developing a heavily scratching iPhone which is also the best color to entice customers to get it and force them to get a case increasing accessories sale and to top it off make it have a base storage of 128 gigs.Now this is profit motive at its finest)

Using the logic that's been thrown around here like an old shoe, why else would Samsung move battery manufacturing and selection in-house. One answer only: profits. I'm not sure on why that even needed to be said, given some of the things that have been said on these forums about apple.

And again, you are comparing apples and oranges. Exploding batteries on par with any other thing you mentioned. Hyperbole and deflections, nothing more.

 

[Hanzu Lao]

Believing the hyperbole doesn't make it true.

Using the logic that's been thrown around here like an old shoe, why else would Samsung move battery manufacturing and selection in-house. One answer only: profits. I'm not sure on why that even needed to be said, given some of the things that have been said on these forums about apple.

And again, you are comparing apples and oranges. Exploding batteries on par with any other thing you mentioned. Hyperbole and deflections, nothing more.

These people don't think logically. Forget it.

 

[Vegastouch]

Believing the hyperbole doesn't make it true.

Using the logic that's been thrown around here like an old shoe, why else would Samsung move battery manufacturing and selection in-house. One answer only: profits. I'm not sure on why that even needed to be said, given some of the things that have been said on these forums about apple.

And again, you are comparing apples and oranges. Exploding batteries on par with any other thing you mentioned. Hyperbole and deflections, nothing more.

Listen, every business is set up to make a profit or else they wouldnt be in business. Apple just wants more of it. Its that simple and why their accessaries and everything else costs more than everyone elses. You can believe what you want. Thats what posters do here and reflects which side they are on. And it shouldnt be that way but as always, there are pro Apple and pro Samsung.

Whether you like or want a Note 7 is irrelevent. Every company has a hicup of some sort when in business for years. Fact is Samsung will survive and continue to make phones and people will continue to buy them.

 

[I7guy]

Listen, every business is set up to make a profit or else they wouldnt be in business. Apple just wants more of it. Its that simple and why their accessaries and everything else costs more than everyone elses. You can believe what you want. Thats what posters do here and reflects which side they are on. And it shouldnt be that way but as always, there are pro Apple and pro Samsung.

Whether you like or want a Note 7 is irrelevent. Fact is Samsung will survive and continue to make phones and people will continue to buy them.

What does any if this have to do with a recall or exploding batteries? Who mentioned Samsung surviving? What is pure hyperbole is "Apple is more greedy than Samsung and Samsung is altruistic ". Really can't believe people are even saying this nonsense. And as you astutely pointed out you can believe what you want.

 

[Hanzu Lao]

What does any if this have to do with a recall or exploding batteries? Who mentioned Samsung surviving? What is pure hyperbole is "Apple is more greedy than Samsung and Samsung is altruistic ". Really can't believe people are even saying this nonsense. And as you astutely pointed out you can believe what you want.

You like pain?

 

[Radon87000]

Believing the hyperbole doesn't make it true.

Using the logic that's been thrown around here like an old shoe, why else would Samsung move battery manufacturing and selection in-house. One answer only: profits. I'm not sure on why that even needed to be said, given some of the things that have been said on these forums about apple.

And again, you are comparing apples and oranges. Exploding batteries on par with any other thing you mentioned. Hyperbole and deflections, nothing more.

Profits?How can it be profits when the inflammable batteries in question are less than 1% of the total Note 7's?You would think that for a company like Samsung for whom a couple of billion dollars are a drop in a pond if they wanted to save costs which are substantial to them they would move substantial manufacturing in house.Nope

I am comparing apples and apples.You are talking about POTENTIAL maiming.Potentially chances are very less because of the recall.POTENTIALLY,100% iPhone 6 will continue to flow in the market having touch disease.Note 7 customers get their replacements,no reports of death or maiming or permanent disability and customers get on with life.Apple customers will sit in a dusty courtroom fighting a losing battle.So far 1 lawsuit against Samsung while 1 class action law suit against Apple.I think this is indicativeas to whose customers are more affected

And yes Apple's profit margins indicate they are greedier than Samsung.I saw the Jet Black and its a pure ploy for the accessories profitability.Now thats smart thinking by Apple

 

[Savor]

I actually don't mind if the media keeps blasting Samsung. Not because I want the Note7 cheaper. I still believe Note7 is the superior device to an iPhone 7 Plus now that the luster of their newness is starting to fade away. I want people to keep blasting the blasting Note7 batteries because Samsung might bring this back...

Note 4 (the last of its kind with this)

The iPhone 7 Plus is barely on par with a Note4 in overall features. If iPhone 8 Plus will be great, so will the Note8. If whiners keep on whining, Samsung will listen to the feedback and we will get back what we want. Apple rarely listens to their consumers. You have to put up with whatever Apple puts out there.

I miss the days when Samsung used to get 8/10 repairability scores from iFixit. Nowadays, they get 3/10 and will these Project Zero designs will truly become zero and will get quickly disposed and become e-waste like iPhones and HTC Ones do after a few years. Price you pay for trying to look cool and pretty.

https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability

I remember my Stepdad dealt with the same thing being brainwashed by design. Owning a Jaguar was his dream car. He owned a 1993 Jaguar Sovereign back in the day. Pretty car inside and out. Always needed to be in the shop for repairs. His dream car became a nightmare. Owning beautiful items can only take you so far.

With my Stepdad, it was NOWHERE except the repair shop with that Jag which was the worst car he ever drove. Next was the 2002 BMW 745i. He went back to Mercedes Benz. Been happy ever since. I tried liking style over everything else with the Motorola V600 before the RAZR came out in 2004. A waste of $400 for me. My Sanyo SCP-5500 was better. Had a flash and video recorder.

I realized I didn't care anymore about design if the reliability isn't high. Function over fashion any day for me. For superficial, insecure buyers..they are still too young, or lack self-esteem and experience to really "get it" with practicality. As long as it is pretty in a pretty color, right?

 

[amac1302]

Have you looked at Samsung's profit margin on the S7 /Note 7 mobile phone? Those series of phones make up the majority of the company's profit. If you look at all the product Samsung makes, prior to the peak iPhone 6 year, the mobile division makes 66% of Samsung's profit. That excludes the Samsung's semiconductor divisions profit that make the chips for Samsung and Apple.

(Remember the defective batteries are made by Samsung divisions.)

For example, 20% of ALL Samsung profit dropped when the iPhone 6 sales were killing the top Galaxy phones sales last year.

The list price on most top phones are comparable except for the few China (initially) copy cat brands. It's just that once the demand is missing or drop, they have incentives to drop price. Due to capitalism, the demand drive the profits.

It's just that Apple does not want / need to compete the low end. Samsung has factories that they have to keep running. Apple has no factories.

How can you say Apple profit margin is greedier then Samsung? The two companies make over 100% of the ALL phone makers profits. (The numbers are nigher then 100 due to the loss of the other companies.)

You can not use Samsung in an argument about greed.


Disclaimer: I have not seen the updated numbers for the current year since Samsung has beaten Apple with he S7, but then sadly I don't know the effect of the Note 7 battery.


>> And yes Apple's profit margins indicate they are greedier than Samsung.I saw the Jet Black and its a pure ploy for the accessories profitability.Now thats smart thinking by Apple[/QUOTE]

 

[I7guy]

Profits?How can it be profits when the inflammable batteries in question are less than 1% of the total Note 7's?You would think that for a company like Samsung for whom a couple of billion dollars are a drop in a pond if they wanted to save costs which are substantial to them they would move substantial manufacturing in house.Nope

I am comparing apples and apples.You are talking about POTENTIAL maiming.Potentially chances are very less because of the recall.POTENTIALLY,100% iPhone 6 will continue to flow in the market having touch disease.Note 7 customers get their replacements,no reports of death or maiming or permanent disability and customers get on with life.Apple customers will sit in a dusty courtroom fighting a losing battle.So far 1 lawsuit against Samsung while 1 class action law suit against Apple.I think this is indicativeas to whose customers are more affected

And yes Apple's profit margins indicate they are greedier than Samsung.I saw the Jet Black and its a pure ploy for the accessories profitability.Now thats smart thinking by Apple

Still mixing up apples and oranges and quoting the same tired percentages as if it makes it somehow okay. And since you used the word "greed" first, this is the reason Samsung is in this position...corporate greed, as if some burnings and a blown up jeep are better than other things.
[doublepost=1474227518][/doublepost]

I actually don't mind if the media keeps blasting Samsung. Not because I want the Note7 cheaper. I still believe Note7 is the superior device to an iPhone 7 Plus now that the luster of their newness is starting to fade away. I want people to keep blasting the blasting Note7 batteries because Samsung might bring this back...

Note 4 (the last of its kind with this)
Snip..

The iPhone 7 Plus is barely on par with a Note4 in overall features. If iPhone 8 Plus will be great, so will the Note8. If whiners keep on whining, Samsung will listen to the feedback and we will get back what we want. Apple rarely listens to their consumers. You have to put up with whatever Apple puts out there.

I miss the days when Samsung used to get 8/10 repairability scores from iFixit. Nowadays, they get 3/10 and will these Project Zero designs will truly become zero and will get quickly disposed and become e-waste like iPhones and HTC Ones do after a few years. Price you pay for trying to look cool and pretty.

https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability

I remember my Stepdad dealt with the same thing being brainwashed by design. Owning a Jaguar was his dream car. He owned a 1993 Jaguar Sovereign back in the day. Pretty car inside and out. Always needed to be in the shop for repairs. His dream car became a nightmare. Owning beautiful items can only take you so far.

With my Stepdad, it was NOWHERE except the repair shop with that Jag which was the worst car he ever drove. Next was the 2002 BMW 745i. He went back to Mercedes Benz. Been happy ever since. I tried liking style over everything else with the Motorola V600 before the RAZR came out in 2004. A waste of $400 for me. My Sanyo SCP-5500 was better. Had a flash and video recorder.

I realized I didn't care anymore about design if the reliability isn't high. Function over fashion any day for me. For superficial, insecure buyers..they are still too young, or lack self-esteem and experience to really "get it" with practicality. As long as it is pretty in a pretty color, right?

Does that last paragraph of Internet arm-chair psychology refer to Apple, Samsung, htc or other third party phone buyers? It's really hard to tell.

 

[Tsepz]

I actually don't mind if the media keeps blasting Samsung. Not because I want the Note7 cheaper. I still believe Note7 is the superior device to an iPhone 7 Plus now that the luster of their newness is starting to fade away. I want people to keep blasting the blasting Note7 batteries because Samsung might bring this back...

Note 4 (the last of its kind with this)

The iPhone 7 Plus is barely on par with a Note4 in overall features. If iPhone 8 Plus will be great, so will the Note8. If whiners keep on whining, Samsung will listen to the feedback and we will get back what we want. Apple rarely listens to their consumers. You have to put up with whatever Apple puts out there.

I miss the days when Samsung used to get 8/10 repairability scores from iFixit. Nowadays, they get 3/10 and will these Project Zero designs will truly become zero and will get quickly disposed and become e-waste like iPhones and HTC Ones do after a few years. Price you pay for trying to look cool and pretty.

https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability

I remember my Stepdad dealt with the same thing being brainwashed by design. Owning a Jaguar was his dream car. He owned a 1993 Jaguar Sovereign back in the day. Pretty car inside and out. Always needed to be in the shop for repairs. His dream car became a nightmare. Owning beautiful items can only take you so far.

With my Stepdad, it was NOWHERE except the repair shop with that Jag which was the worst car he ever drove. Next was the 2002 BMW 745i. He went back to Mercedes Benz. Been happy ever since. I tried liking style over everything else with the Motorola V600 before the RAZR came out in 2004. A waste of $400 for me. My Sanyo SCP-5500 was better. Had a flash and video recorder.

I realized I didn't care anymore about design if the reliability isn't high. Function over fashion any day for me. For superficial, insecure buyers..they are still too young, or lack self-esteem and experience to really "get it" with practicality. As long as it is pretty in a pretty color, right?

Thank you! I recently replaced my now 2yearold Note 4's battery, its another OG Samsung battery bought from a Samsung Smart Care Centre up the road from me, I'm back to the legendary +6h SOT batt life from when it was new, all at less than $35, super convenient.

I hope Samsung get blasted to the point where they bring back Removable Batteries.

The Galaxy S5 had a removable battery and has the same IP67 Rating as the latest and greatest iPhone 7 Plus which had to even let go of the 3.5mm jack to get the same rating.

Samsung must take advantage of their manufacturing prowess, and quit doing all this iPhone-crap like sealing batteries and no MicroSD, there reason we bought their devices is because they didn't do that crap.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Still mixing up apples and oranges and quoting the same tired percentages as if it makes it somehow okay. And since you used the word "greed" first, this is the reason Samsung is in this position...corporate greed, as if some burnings and a blown up jeep are better than other things.

I think you're making unfounded assumptions. Samsung's image in the smartphone department has been very fickle for the longest. To think that Samsung would even knowingly take the risk of having potentially faulty batteries on it's most anticipated smartphone yet just to save a buck, I would say that's a misguided thought on your part. If Samsung even had a hint at this issue, they would have set the release back a month later. This a major QC oversight, NOT corporate greed knowingly pushing inferior and dangerous products on people.

 

[macfacts]

Regarding corporate greed from a consumer point of view, Samsung gave most people preorder bonuses and trade in discounts, Apple doesn't and only drops price after one year. Samsung phones go on sale regularly, Apple only once a year I think.

Apple phones hold their resale value? Only because Apple controls the retail price and only discounts them when a new model comes out.

Don't forget the flash storage premium they charge.

 

[Vegastouch]

Thank you! I recently replaced my now 2yearold Note 4's battery, its another OG Samsung battery bought from a Samsung Smart Care Centre up the road from me, I'm back to the legendary +6h SOT batt life from when it was new, all at less than $35, super convenient.

I hope Samsung get blasted to the point where they bring back Removable Batteries.

The Galaxy S5 had a removable battery and has the same IP67 Rating as the latest and greatest iPhone 7 Plus which had to even let go of the 3.5mm jack to get the same rating.

Samsung must take advantage of their manufacturing prowess, and quit doing all this iPhone-crap like sealing batteries and no MicroSD, there reason we bought their devices is because they didn't do that crap.

Yep, i really liked that we could replace or get bigger batteries and buy custom back covers. SS could of saved a lot of money and headache had they still had this feature. But oh well, they can afford it.

 

[mi7chy]

I actually don't mind if the media keeps blasting Samsung. Not because I want the Note7 cheaper. I still believe Note7 is the superior device to an iPhone 7 Plus now that the luster of their newness is starting to fade away. I want people to keep blasting the blasting Note7 batteries because Samsung might bring this back...

Replaceable battery offers convenience but it can expand/smoke and pop out. A non-replaceable one, on the other hand, offers better safety because it's enclosed in protected layers of the device. And, considering my Samsung SDI battery is now just showing degradation from closer to 7 hours screen-on-time to now 5 hours after four years which is beyond the typical upgrade cycle it's not clear cut that replaceable is better. Samsung could save money on the logistics side with replaceable battery but at the greater risk of personal injury claims because lithium will always be potentially flammable.