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LEOMODE

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So I finally got my 3080FE.

The good news:
  • Performs well under windows, roughly about double the performance of a W5700X
  • Easy install, even did not need to disable my 5700X
  • Good thermals, card stays under 75 degrees. Increased noise under full load, but not too bad. Left out the PCI covers under the card to help thermals, no need to adapt MP fans. Card is completely silent when running under macOS
But, the bad news:
  • Sleep does NOT work. While the machine is being able to sleep, it crashes when waking, or even shuts down. However, no crash reports that would help debugging
  • And I have to say, I am a bit underwhelmed with all that raytracing stuff. At lewast with Cyberpunk, you really need to compare screenshots with and without to clearly see the difference (or you need to know where to look for)
So I have no idea why sleep works (alledegly) for one user with almost the same setup but not with mine. So either the info he gave me was just plain wrong, or there are more factors which come into play.

The last thing I am trying right now is to install Big Sur on a separate drive and see if there are any improvements. Not sure if I keep the card, not being able to sleep is a big bummer for me. Damn!

Any more ideas?

Hey when you said sleep does not work, are you talking about Mac OS explicitly? Are you fine with Windows Boot Camp?
 

LEOMODE

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I found a very practical tip.

I have an AMD RX 580 card and an RTX 3090

To play FS2020 it must of course be the rtx to have the performance of the GPU.
On the other hand I lose the sound of my LG 5K screen and the sound is shifted to the Mac Pro internal speaker.

Here is what I do.

I launch the game with the screen connected to the RTX.
Once the game is launched I unplug the RTX to connect the AMD to the screen and everything works perfectly.

Yes!!

So now I sold it but I also had both GTX1080 and my current W5700X installed/operational side by side on Windows 10 Boot Camp. It looks like even though I connect my monitor to either one of the graphic cards, I can use the in-game option (my example was World of Warcraft) and choose a specific graphics card I wanted to run the game off of (e.g. monitors plugged into W5700X, but the game is using GTX1080). This went the same with Davinci Resolve where I was able to utilize both graphic cards for rendering too.

So I'm sure this will apply the same with the RTX series, and of course only in Windows.
 

LEOMODE

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all the bla bla for nothing in the end the RTX3090FE does fit just fine, * without Cutting the FAN Bezel Plastic *

if you read my Post on site 1 or 2, i made clear that if the Sapphire 5700XT Nitro Fits in the Macpro , so will the
3090FE. but even better at the end of the Day without cutting nothing.

STEP 1.Open MacPro Case , take out x 3 slot plates , Remove the PCI SLOT Holder on both Sides.
STEP 2.Put the Mac Pro on a Table so you can work from above.
STEP 3. Take the 3090FE an apply some 3m Clear Transparent Plastic tape to the Back so the Cooler Body doesn´t get scratched when you Put it in.
STEP 4. Bend the Fan Bezel Plastic with your hands dont use to much force it will bent the 3mm needed just so yo can Plug the GPU in its PCI slot .
STEP 5. Leave the LEFT PCI Holder out of the Case.

After 7 Hours of Benchmarks, Gaming Test on Win10 i can says this GPU is fantastic, and Super Silent under FULL LOAD.

I Overclocked the CARD to 400WATT > CHIP + 124mhz >GDDR6x RAM to 600MHz and Power Limit MAX +14%.
both Fans on AUTO.

Full Load TEMP are around >65 to 68 Celsius and this is awesome. compared to RTX2080ti FE
Full Load TEMP of the litle XEON CPU is max 42 celsius )

In Mac OSX the Card behaves Slient and idle is 29 Celsius, Sleep works just Fine.

My Bootcamp Boottime is very Fast compared to the RTX2080Ti , after Power On it takes just 9 Seconds to Boot up Win 10 (Build 2004).

I use a LG OLED C9 2019 Display for Windows.

HDMI 2.1 Setting in Nvidia System Panel to PC Input 4k@120Hz 4.4.4 FULL , with Gsynch OFF ( for now have to wait for LG New Firmware )

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Take a look at my Fotos and have fun Trying to get a 3090FE.
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Hi there, I just got myself a 3090 FE as well. On step 4 when you say Bend the Fan Bezel Plastic with your hands dont use to much force it will bent the 3mm needed just so yo can Plug the GPU in its PCI slot, are you saying I need to bend the Mac Pro portion of the plastic or RTX portion? I assume it's the former.

If so, would it damage the Mac Pro plastic? Is there any replacement part just for that where it's detachable? I would sacrifice for that, but if the plastic is unibody to the Mac Pro enclosure, I am not so sure! But I just can't get a hold of 3080 haha.
 

LEOMODE

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If it was me, I'd move the RTX to the bottom slot 1. And move the MPX W5700X to slot 3. The MPX module is more structurally secure mounted in a NcMP because of the mounting screws on the left side. This will also allow for more air between the two GPUs. I have remounted my MPX W580X above my RX5700XT for this reason. The 580X is only there to provide a boot screen should I need it.

Lou

For 7,1 don't you longer need an Apple OEM GPU installed anymore for the boot screen since it's handled by the chip inside Mac Pro anyway?
 

LEOMODE

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I saw a previous poster saying that the FE 3090 fit the mac pro. I got the 3090 FE today but it does not fit the Mac Pro without forcing it in....

If you are considering a FE 3090, I'd recommend another brand. It'll fit if you FORCIBILY push it in and that in turn flexes the fan bracket.

Is the fan bracket replaceable though? As long as just that part is replaceable I'm down to bend it and buy just that piece again. Can you please confirm? Thanks.
 

DrEGPU

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Apr 17, 2020
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For 7,1 don't you longer need an Apple OEM GPU installed anymore for the boot screen since it's handled by the chip inside Mac Pro anyway?
I have RTX's in slots 1 and 3, with a old WX5100 in slot 6. The Mac Pro seems to really want the primary display GPU to be in slot 1. I have the RTX in slot 1 connected to my monitor via HDMI and the AMD GPU (WX5100) connected via DP. If I set the input on my monitor to DP during bootup/power on it's blank and only comes on for the login/password screen. If you leave it to HDMI (ie, the RTX), you get the Apple logo and progress bar which gets stuck at which point you can switch it to DP.

I have to remember to leave it on DP every time I switch to Bootcamp, since I disabled the AMD GPU in windows device manager.
 

LEOMODE

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I have RTX's in slots 1 and 3, with a old WX5100 in slot 6. The Mac Pro seems to really want the primary display GPU to be in slot 1. I have the RTX in slot 1 connected to my monitor via HDMI and the AMD GPU (WX5100) connected via DP. If I set the input on my monitor to DP during bootup/power on it's blank and only comes on for the login/password screen. If you leave it to HDMI (ie, the RTX), you get the Apple logo and progress bar which gets stuck at which point you can switch it to DP.

I have to remember to leave it on DP every time I switch to Bootcamp, since I disabled the AMD GPU in windows device manager.

Interesting and it can be possible as I've never moved my stock GPU (which is W5700X and I assume you also meant W5700X?) from the original slot, as Slot 3 already has the same 16x speed. My plan was to just put the RTX3090 on Slot 3, and use both GPU in Windows 10 Boot Camp (which was possible when I had GTX1080 side by side), and use W5700X on Mac OS.
 

DrEGPU

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Apr 17, 2020
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Interesting and it can be possible as I've never moved my stock GPU (which is W5700X and I assume you also meant W5700X?) from the original slot, as Slot 3 already has the same 16x speed. My plan was to just put the RTX3090 on Slot 3, and use both GPU in Windows 10 Boot Camp (which was possible when I had GTX1080 side by side), and use W5700X on Mac OS.
No, I meant WX5100. It's a single slot, low power (no PCIe cables needed!) GPU that is powerful enough for my MacOS needs (youtube).

Yes, both slots 1&3 are full 16x directly connected to the CPU (I believe), which is why I put my RTX's there, if I can ever get linux installed on this thing...
 

flowrider

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For 7,1 don't you longer need an Apple OEM GPU installed anymore for the boot screen since it's handled by the chip inside Mac Pro anyway?
Yes & No. My main GPU is an Aorus RX5700XT. When I was running it with my old monitor with a DP to DP connection, I had a boot screen. When I changed to the LG/Apple UltraFine display with the TB (USB-C) input and ran the Display from the DP connector with a bidirectional cable - No boot screen. I then changed to a DP,USB cable, and still no boot screen.

Lou
 

LEOMODE

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No, I meant WX5100. It's a single slot, low power (no PCIe cables needed!) GPU that is powerful enough for my MacOS needs (youtube).

Yes, both slots 1&3 are full 16x directly connected to the CPU (I believe), which is why I put my RTX's there, if I can ever get linux installed on this thing...

Gotcha. I thought you meant one of those stock GPU's sold by Apple.

Yes & No. My main GPU is an Aorus RX5700XT. When I was running it with my old monitor with a DP to DP connection, I had a boot screen. When I changed to the LG/Apple UltraFine display with the TB (USB-C) input and ran the Display from the DP connector with a bidirectional cable - No boot screen. I then changed to a DP,USB cable, and still no boot screen.

Lou

Interesting. Yeah like I said above I never detached Apple OEM GPU from my 7,1 so that's probably why I was always seeing the boot screen.
 

flowrider

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^^^^With no boot screen I reinstalled my OEM Pro580X above my 5700. When I want a boot screen I pull the 5700 cable from the monitor and run a cable from the 580X.

Lou
 

joevt

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Yes, both slots 1&3 are full 16x directly connected to the CPU (I believe), which is why I put my RTX's there, if I can ever get linux installed on this thing...
You had a thread started in July 2019 at https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-linux-setup/linux-on-recent-macs/
For Ubuntu and the Mac mini 2018, installing using sudo ubiquity -b seemed to work (installs without grub which wants to mess with nvram boot variables) - then use rEFInd to boot.
But I guess your problems with the Mac Pro 2019 are different.
 

DrEGPU

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You had a thread started in July 2019 at https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-linux-setup/linux-on-recent-macs/
For Ubuntu and the Mac mini 2018, installing using sudo ubiquity -b seemed to work (installs without grub which wants to mess with nvram boot variables) - then use rEFInd to boot.
But I guess your problems with the Mac Pro 2019 are different.
Someone on here reported that refind didn’t work on the 7,1. Ubiquity-b was necessary on Macs (ie MacBooks) because the only option to install Linux on an internal drive was the one controlled by the T2. In the 2019 7,1 we could pick any ssd we wanted, except grub still seems to want to mess around with the T2 ssd despite telling the installer not to do that.

As an aside, I’m now having a different problem installing Linux. I updated the thread regarding booting without the T2 SSD.
 

Alfsuper

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Mar 6, 2020
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First, thanks to joevt, aagribeiro, frankiee, CatoTheElder, DrEGPU, LEOMODE and more users of this thread.
I have been reading all your comments, very good and interesting.
I have the 580X and the new ASUS RTX3090, but 1 week after trying everything you have indicated, I still can't use the 3090 on macos, Catalina or Big Sur. The only way is to boot the system, select the unit with windows and perfect, but I have not achieved anything by following your steps, the 3090 continues without being able to use it in macos. Is there any user who has a new idea that can help us who have this problem.
I have it installed in PCI 4, before in 3, nothing changes, it is a shame not to be able to enjoy it. Thank you very much and you are all great.

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I start in recovery mode csrutil disable
reboot and start normally and now, all your ideas,....

No chance with (from frankiee)

First, copy the kext to "/Library/Extensions", then issue the following terminal commands:
next
udo chmod -R 755 /Library/Extensions/FakeNvidia.kext
sudo chown -R root:wheel /Library/Extensions/FakeNvidia.kext
sudo touch /Library/Extensions
sudo kextcache -update-volume /


or this method (joevt and your kektUil.sh and fakenvidia.kekt)
source ~/Downloads/KextUtil.sh
installkext FakeNvidia.kext
rebuildkextcache

......
Finally
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and the kekt its not loaded and finally sad...and thanks for all your effort.
And don't forget to boot into recovery mode and csrutil enable

And now i have 580 connected by hdmi (for macOS) and the 3090 by DP (for windows).

My monitor is the BenQ EW3270U, just in the case..

There are many posts to put in just one but I have followed everything you have explained for those of us who have this problem. Sorry if I do not explain myself well at all but I hope you understand what happens to me that is the same as many of this thread, Any more ideas? Please.

You are very big
 

joevt

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I have the 580X and the new ASUS RTX3090, but 1 week after trying everything you have indicated, I still can't use the 3090 on macos, Catalina or Big Sur.

No chance with (from frankiee)

First, copy the kext to "/Library/Extensions", then issue the following terminal commands:
next
udo chmod -R 755 /Library/Extensions/FakeNvidia.kext
sudo chown -R root:wheel /Library/Extensions/FakeNvidia.kext
sudo touch /Library/Extensions
sudo kextcache -update-volume /
FakeNvidia.kext was not created to make Nvidia work. It was created so that sleep/wake doesn't cause a kernel panic while an Nvidia card is installed.
 

Alfsuper

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FakeNvidia.kext was not created to make Nvidia work. It was created so that sleep/wake doesn't cause a kernel panic while an Nvidia card is installed.
Thanks, but the panic when sleep/wake continue for me with in my case..
 

LEOMODE

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Jun 14, 2009
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I finally opened up and installed RTX3090 Founders Edition on my Mac Pro 7,1. It was hard to put it in as you do need to push the backside's plastic bracket where the 3 fans are. Once it's pushed then you also need to align your card properly beforehand so the slot can be fit in as the GPU slides down. Due to the bracket flexing a little, you will not be able to screw either the back cover or the front cover. I just left them as-is but it works fine.

Overall, I haven't played it on Mac OS yet but at least on Boot Camp Windows 10 it works flawlessly and sleeps perfectly fine (I bought a Gigabyte GTX1050Ti before and when I put it to sleep on Windows 10 the fan will blow furiously).

Just FYI, if you're worried about the plastic fan bracket, it is a one-piece item and that also has some sort of circuitry on 3 sides, meaning it's connected to Mac Pro without wires (just like other Mac Pro parts). Unfortunately, you cannot buy just that part yet so you would probably need to wait until 3rd party starts selling official Mac Pro parts.

For Geekbench 5, the score on OpenCL Compute was about 3 times higher than W5700X and 4 times higher than GTX1080 FE that I used to own.

I still have both installed, and connected 1 display to Nvidia whilst other 2 displays are connected to W5700X (otherwise you cannot turn on Nvidia Control Panel). The games work flawlessly (I have 4k 144hz triple monitors) and on Davinci Resolve you can choose both GPU's on OpenCL mode.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
 

flowrider

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I have the 580X and the new ASUS RTX3090, but 1 week after trying everything you have indicated, I still can't use the 3090 on macos, Catalina or Big Sur. The only way is to boot the system, select the unit with windows and perfect, but I have not achieved anything by following your steps, the 3090 continues without being able to use it in macos. Is there any user who has a new idea that can help us who have this problem.

There is no driver for any Nvidia GPU past High Sierra. And as long as the Apple/Nvidia feud continues there never will be.

Lou
 

gabrielefx

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I finally opened up and installed RTX3090 Founders Edition on my Mac Pro 7,1. It was hard to put it in as you do need to push the backside's plastic bracket where the 3 fans are. Once it's pushed then you also need to align your card properly beforehand so the slot can be fit in as the GPU slides down. Due to the bracket flexing a little, you will not be able to screw either the back cover or the front cover. I just left them as-is but it works fine.

Overall, I haven't played it on Mac OS yet but at least on Boot Camp Windows 10 it works flawlessly and sleeps perfectly fine (I bought a Gigabyte GTX1050Ti before and when I put it to sleep on Windows 10 the fan will blow furiously).

Just FYI, if you're worried about the plastic fan bracket, it is a one-piece item and that also has some sort of circuitry on 3 sides, meaning it's connected to Mac Pro without wires (just like other Mac Pro parts). Unfortunately, you cannot buy just that part yet so you would probably need to wait until 3rd party starts selling official Mac Pro parts.

For Geekbench 5, the score on OpenCL Compute was about 3 times higher than W5700X and 4 times higher than GTX1080 FE that I used to own.

I still have both installed, and connected 1 display to Nvidia whilst other 2 displays are connected to W5700X (otherwise you cannot turn on Nvidia Control Panel). The games work flawlessly (I have 4k 144hz triple monitors) and on Davinci Resolve you can choose both GPU's on OpenCL mode.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
if plug your monitor to the AMD video output you will get only the OpenCL renderer within DaVinci, you will be able to use both gpus, AMD+Nvidia. If you plug your monitor to the RTX3090 output you will able to select CUDA. Resolve runs 100X faster with the Cuda kernel.
 

mbosx4ever

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Mar 16, 2021
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It won't happen unless you go bootcamp. I'm going to get 3090 for my 9900k then I will laugh at MP 7,1.
What expansion chasis is needed for the

ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 3090 Trinity 24GB GDDR6X 384-bit 19.5 Gbps PCIE 4.0 Gaming Graphics Card, IceStorm 2.0 Advanced Cooling, SPECTRA 2.0 RGB Lighting, ZT-A30900D-10P?​

 

LEOMODE

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if plug your monitor to the AMD video output you will get only the OpenCL renderer within DaVinci, you will be able to use both gpus, AMD+Nvidia. If you plug your monitor to the RTX3090 output you will able to select CUDA. Resolve runs 100X faster with the Cuda kernel.

Oh, I didn't know Cuda was that superior in Davinci. Thanks for that information. So what you're saying is, RTX3090 alone with using Cuda will still be faster (100 times as you metaphorically say) than using RTX3090+W5700X using OpenCL correct?
 

strangerthanlight

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Has people figured out a solution for the wake/sleep kernal panic issue with Nvidia cards yet? Could someone post a guide here? Thanks
 
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