I uncovered the next layer without traveling through it. Even the layer of resin between the copper of both layers is mostly intact. Of course uncovering just the CPU portion of the layer took 5 hours. Probably going to flatbed scan it now.
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NVMe with ST-NGFF2013-C; Vega Internal GPU; Mac Pro 2013 (6,1)
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More boards coming tomorrow, including D300 and D700. I could avoid having to sand through the CPU Riser Card as a minimum requirement to connect an external GPU by sanding through a D700, and being a physically smaller board it will take less work per layer. Though in the end I will still sand though the CPU Riser Card. Here is another full-board shot of the top layer of the 2U PC Server Board, I added some markings.
Got some donated GPUs today. D300, D500, W7000. Also some accessories and another Dell server board. Given they are already partially depopulated might as well continue that process.
The only board I don't have a duplicate of to destroy for documentation purposes is one of the GPUs with a built-in custom M.2 slot.
The only board I don't have a duplicate of to destroy for documentation purposes is one of the GPUs with a built-in custom M.2 slot.
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Hate to derail the recent topic change in this thread, but anyone know if the adapter w/ NVME drive would work in a 2014 mini?
Dual-topic thread. You might consider the topic "getting PCIe devices working in my Mac Pro 2013" which would cover both sub-topics. That being said the thread is focused more on Mac Pro 2013 so I'm not sure this is best place to ask a Mac Mini question. If anyone has tried this sure please let us know. If it is even possible I guess that would be the best way to breathe new life in a Mac Mini.
depopulating D500
depopulating W7000
depopulating dell 1U board (i toasted it a little too long got a little too crispy still edible though)
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It should. Take a look at this thread, especially the excellent Excel table from Gilles attached to this post: #150
Update: Processor is sold
Anyone wants my highest-end Mac Pro 2013 Xeon cpu, E5-2697v2, 12 core 2.7 ghz? 200 USD flat fee for US delivery, or plus shipping and customs fees or VAT for outside the US. Send me a DM I'll try and update the thread immediately after I get a buyer. I had no issue previously selling my original Mac Pro 2013 terabyte drive in this thread. I am saving for the downgrade processor E5-2667v2 Thanks!
Anyone wants my highest-end Mac Pro 2013 Xeon cpu, E5-2697v2, 12 core 2.7 ghz? 200 USD flat fee for US delivery, or plus shipping and customs fees or VAT for outside the US. Send me a DM I'll try and update the thread immediately after I get a buyer. I had no issue previously selling my original Mac Pro 2013 terabyte drive in this thread. I am saving for the downgrade processor E5-2667v2 Thanks!
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Got the newer long Sintech adapter which would not get me into recovery mode with my Samsung Evo SSD, waited around 5-10minutes had enough, luckily i ordered another small Chenyang adapter (had on my previous Mac Pro) and that went into recovery within afew minutes.
Put the Sintech adapter back and it booted fine with SSD and no cold boot issues now!
Put the Sintech adapter back and it booted fine with SSD and no cold boot issues now!
Can anyone clarify for me, if I put a Xeon E5-2687W v2 in a Mac Pro 2013, will the Mac Pro boot? I know at 150 TDP it would quickly overheat, ignore that for now. Does a Mac Pro 2013 supply enough power to run 2687W under full load? The heat output isn't an issue for me since I am no longer trapped in the trash can but now the question is will it boot and will it provide full power.
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I’ve seen threads where people are using it, so no reason to think it won’t boot.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...e-cpu-150w-tdp-works-in-2013-mac-pro.1855927/
What, yet another unrelated topic in this mish-mash of a thread?
Why not a new thread with "E5-2687W v2" in "MP6,1" as a title?
I've got to be willing to commit long term to maintaining and communing every thread I create. It is just one question jeez. I'm helping people upgrade their machines. It is the metaphorical 'Upgrade your Mac Pro 2013 (6,1)' thread.What, yet another unrelated topic in this mish-mash of a thread?
Why not a new thread with "E5-2687W v2" in "MP6,1" as a title?
Why the hassle? This is all related and possibly the most interesting thread going on. Certainly by someone who is doing incredible work.What, yet another unrelated topic in this mish-mash of a thread?
Why not a new thread with "E5-2687W v2" in "MP6,1" as a title?
And I was able to answer it by referring to an existing thread so no harm done.
take a chill-pill and enjoy the show!
@CodeJingle : If you succeed with an external vega plugged in internally: don't you think the card would need a new efi to support bootscreen?
@CodeJingle : If you succeed with an external vega plugged in internally: don't you think the card would need a new efi to support bootscreen?
Aiden is ok. He did use emoji in his response which is an indicator of humor. A little cynicism is no problem.
I come into the office in swimming trunks and often give the boss a literal middle finger or throw a verbal F U at him and it isn't an issue. I would be swearing in the thread if it wasn't censored.
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For internet recovery I might need the original cards. But also iMac Pro supports Vega maybe that same support is in Mac Pro 2013. If I get no boot display and the screen only first comes on in the login screen that would be a great first step and we can continue improving from there.
[doublepost=1525436798][/doublepost]I bought Xeon E5-2687w v2. I learned that turbo mode literally drives the cpu past its tdp rating until the higher speed is no longer needed or if it starts to throttle due to temperature. So the cpu cooler I bought is no good it only matches the stock 150 tdp of the processor. I can use it temporarily but a permanent solution needs a more powerful cooler.
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At such a large manufacturing process for the Xeon E5 v2 and the Vega 64, with the amount of heat they generate when under full load they might as well be exploding. To remove heat effectively at full load the heat sink needs to do it violently, to rip the heat out of the package and eject it like a chunk of metal firing out of a rail gun. This is the most powerful cooler i could find for a reasonable price. rated for 250w tdp. 43 USD
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Enermax-ETS-...-CPU-Cooler-250W-TDP-Intel-AMD-P/263635266436
After getting better cpu/gpu cooler, the next thing to buy is a VR or AR headset. HTC Vive Pro is the only headset with readable text but the full kit is 1,400 USD. Even buying only the headset (which is unusable without the accessories) is 900 USD. Bloody expensive.
https://www.vive.com/us/product/vive-pro/
https://enterprise.vive.com/us/
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Enermax-ETS-...-CPU-Cooler-250W-TDP-Intel-AMD-P/263635266436
After getting better cpu/gpu cooler, the next thing to buy is a VR or AR headset. HTC Vive Pro is the only headset with readable text but the full kit is 1,400 USD. Even buying only the headset (which is unusable without the accessories) is 900 USD. Bloody expensive.
https://www.vive.com/us/product/vive-pro/
https://enterprise.vive.com/us/
I know this thread has meandered a bit (and I've enjoyed it all!) - but when did the VR headset enter the picture? What's the ultimate goal with that?
There are two trains of thought here. One is to do something with the upgraded system that I couldn't do before the upgrade. Examples of that would be to drive an 8k display with HDR at 60hz using one GPU, or anything with VR since none of the VR headsets work with a stock Mac Pro 2013.
Alternatively, the other train of thought, all of this effort to document the Mac Pro 2013 is difficult without a utility belt. There are no tools out there to make this process easier. I want to do the same thing with other computers, such as iMac Pro and eventually 2019 Mac Pro. I am envisioning the process being easier with some custom VR tools. So I am building custom VR applications to do things like schematic work, layout, even just laying out a set of images or documents in a virtual space. If I am documenting a board and there are 50 or 100 spec sheets over the entire set of populated components, I want a single virtual space with all 50 or 100 documents laid out for me at a glance. Rather than printing out 18 pages and cutting with scissors and taping together a blown-up printout of a 2,011 pin CPU, I want that make-it-yourself poster available instantly in the VR space. In short, I think building custom circuit boards and custom products, and also R&D work to document custom boards and products made by others, will be better in VR compared to a legacy screen.
Being able to do VR work (or work in VR) has been a driving factor since the beginning but I've only briefly mentioned it because giving away some of my IP or best ideas isn't easy. Altium and PADS currently have no plans for a native VR version of any of their software packages.
Not really the 'ultimate goal' but I am documenting the Mac Pro 2013 to upgrade it so I can write VR tools to make future documentation efforts easier. The goal is self-referential.
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4 more hours of grinding by hand with the fiberglass pen and i have the same layer documented from the cpu to the connector pins. that is about 9 or 10 hours so far for this one layer of one board. from the looks of it, another 8 hours of continuous grinding and i'll have the entire layer uncovered!
my conclusion for layer documentation is that it doesn't matter how efficient the higher order work is. once you get to the low level work and the layer is full of tiny half-covered half-uncovered patches the only progress past that is with the fiberglass pen and the total time spent per layer always ends up the same.
my conclusion for layer documentation is that it doesn't matter how efficient the higher order work is. once you get to the low level work and the layer is full of tiny half-covered half-uncovered patches the only progress past that is with the fiberglass pen and the total time spent per layer always ends up the same.
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Well dumbing my answer down, I gotta do something cool with my upgraded computer, to show it off kinda. It is a choice between any 8k display or the only VR headset currently on the market that displays readable text (Vive Pro).
The Vive Pro kit at 1,400 USD is less than half of the 3,900 USD 8k display so the decision is a no-brainer. Even if they were the same price I would have preferred the VR. Plus 8k display market has no choice for sizes I either go with 32 inches or 80 inches. I will be in the market for a 43 inch 8k display when the price comes down.
I do have a long term plan, yes VR is part of it.
https://store.us.vive.com/store/htc...00/themeID.4773718000/currency.USD/quantity.1
http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/accessories/apd/210-ALEZ
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I got incapacitated this weekend falling off a chair [that I was standing on] and also was depopulating a small non-apple board that turned out to be lathered in poisonous chemicals which activated like a biological weapon once I heated up the board. One of my bosses decided to work a little during the weekend and scolded me for the toxic office. I'm still airing it out.
[doublepost=1525646070][/doublepost]After some more research, here are two coolers, both rated at 320W TDP. It is an impressive number even for a two fan design but rather unprecedented for a single fan solution. This is definitely the high end for air-cooling.
http://thermalright.com/product/silver-arrow-ib-e-extreme/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IYS6RF2
http://thermalright.com/product/le-grand-macho-rt/
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7986/thermalright-le-grand-macho-rt-cpu-cooler-review/index.html
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BCLXO7Q
[doublepost=1525646070][/doublepost]After some more research, here are two coolers, both rated at 320W TDP. It is an impressive number even for a two fan design but rather unprecedented for a single fan solution. This is definitely the high end for air-cooling.
http://thermalright.com/product/silver-arrow-ib-e-extreme/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IYS6RF2
http://thermalright.com/product/le-grand-macho-rt/
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7986/thermalright-le-grand-macho-rt-cpu-cooler-review/index.html
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BCLXO7Q
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Lab should be aired out by the end of today (took about 4 days). I'm also able to walk again without a limp. So I might do some more mapping tonight.
I misplaced my iPad and the battery is dead so I can't ping it (and I don't feel like cleaning my apartment and car right now, lol one day). Also my work laptop has a touch screen and a stylus but there is a new bug in Windows 10 where it is effectively impossible to use the brush tool with a stylus in Photoshop. So to highlight the traces in the images I have to continue using the mouse instead of my finger or a stylus.
Also I didn't realize the Vive Pro full kit was released only a couple weeks ago (15 days or so).
I just checked, my Xeon E5-2687W v2 is out for delivery today. Now that I have a CPU capable of driving VR I can permanently attach the heatsink and CPU to the board via potting if I am unable to obtain a custom bracket. But I need a better heatsink first. My current heatsink+fan setup is rated only for 150W TDP. So other than a sanity check boot test I have to wait till I get a better heatsink before I permanently attach (unless I get custom brackets first).
Don't worry I'm still think tanking on how-to for one or two generic PCIe receptacles. A production solution will involve some welding to cut at least one hole in the outer cover. Can probably replace the stock pair of GPU flex cables with a custom pair that have PCIe receptacle jutting out the sides. The hard drive pins would be pass-thru untouched for now. But a GPU would still need to be connected for it to boot, unless the other 8 lanes are somehow shared with one of the onboard GPUs.
I misplaced my iPad and the battery is dead so I can't ping it (and I don't feel like cleaning my apartment and car right now, lol one day). Also my work laptop has a touch screen and a stylus but there is a new bug in Windows 10 where it is effectively impossible to use the brush tool with a stylus in Photoshop. So to highlight the traces in the images I have to continue using the mouse instead of my finger or a stylus.
Also I didn't realize the Vive Pro full kit was released only a couple weeks ago (15 days or so).
I just checked, my Xeon E5-2687W v2 is out for delivery today. Now that I have a CPU capable of driving VR I can permanently attach the heatsink and CPU to the board via potting if I am unable to obtain a custom bracket. But I need a better heatsink first. My current heatsink+fan setup is rated only for 150W TDP. So other than a sanity check boot test I have to wait till I get a better heatsink before I permanently attach (unless I get custom brackets first).
Don't worry I'm still think tanking on how-to for one or two generic PCIe receptacles. A production solution will involve some welding to cut at least one hole in the outer cover. Can probably replace the stock pair of GPU flex cables with a custom pair that have PCIe receptacle jutting out the sides. The hard drive pins would be pass-thru untouched for now. But a GPU would still need to be connected for it to boot, unless the other 8 lanes are somehow shared with one of the onboard GPUs.
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