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This has been the same experience with MVC-flashed NVIDIA cards that require loading the NVIDIA web driver after each OS update. After the reboot into the new version, the GUI loads but is using the card's EFI driver and is really slow and glitchy. But because it's at least functional, we are able to download and install the newest Nvidia web drivers, and after a reboot the card uses those drivers for full functionality.

I've always prefered and was contemplating the MVC 1080Ti, but because I'm always running some sort of OS beta (Apple seems to always be in a perpetual developer beta cycle) that nVidia doesn't appear to release updates for, I selected the 580.

Since I bought the 580 off Amazon, I still have time to return it if I can't iron out my Win10/580 issues, and try the 1080Ti.
 
So, my whole point of getting the RX580 was to upgrade to Mojave beta. Unfortunately, I had the beta 3 full installer which didn't have the latest FW version 89 (I was at 87), and after booting to Mojave for the first time, the automatic OS update system installed beta 4.

Thus began my odyssey of FW upgrading post RX580 install. When I initiated it by launching the beta 4 full installer, I forgot to swap in my 5870 and was met with the unending black screen. I had to repeat the whole process from the beginning but swapped in the 5870 while it was shutdown. The FW update was successful and rebooted to Mojave, surprising me with the fact that Mojave was able to run with the 5870, albeit with some graphical glitches here and there, but nothing significant that prevents its use.

Feeling like now was finally the time to try booting into my UEFI Windows 10 Pro partition (Apricorn Velocity Duo x2 using a pair of 2TB 850's hardware RAID'd, with the first partition NTFS) under my new 580, this is when things got ugly.

1) I used Paragon NTFS to boot to Win10 but after a period of time in a black screen, it rebooted again and was greeted with no boot device found. Without the boot screen picker, there was nothing I could do to prevent always getting to this screen: I tried PRAM reset, pulling all Windows drives, pulling all drives. But the Mac always booted to this message.

2) I swapped the 5870 back in to use the boot screen picker to properly pick my Win10 partition, which is labelled "EFI Boot" on this screen, and was finally able to run Win10. I suspect the Paragon NTFS startup manager (which I have never needed to use before) doesn't properly select the Win10 boot partition (it doesn't show "EFI Boot" but the actual name of the partition).

3) Verifying that Win10 was now the startup disk by rebooting, I shutdown, swapped in the 580 then powered up. Unending black screen. Forced a power down, then powered on and waited: nothing but black screen. Again just couldn't would get away from that black screen despite all my attempts. I reinstalled the 5870 and it booted just fine into Win10 and Mojave. I then tried to pre-install drivers from the 580's install CD, but without it physically installed, there is no way I could get the drivers to install (without an external power source, I can't install and power both the 580 and 5870).

After pulling and reinstalling my 580 about a dozen times, I'm now an expert in throwing that puppy in almost effortlessly... but at present I have no way to boot into my existing UEFI Win10 partition under the 580.

I will try doing a brand new Win10 install under the 580 on a spare drive when I have the time, but I'm open to suggestions until then.

You can try remove ALL graphic driver in Windows 10. Then shutdown, install the RX580, boot to Windows and WAIT.

Windows should able automatically install the driver for RX580.

When I switch from 1080Ti to RX580, all I need to do is just boot and wait.

That may cause few minutes. I am not 100% sure if internet connection is required, but that was available on my cMP.

Do not force shutdown the Mac unless you wait to at least 10min (if you have fast internet connection and running Windows on a SSD)
 
You can try remove ALL graphic driver in Windows 10. Then shutdown, install the RX580, boot to Windows and WAIT.

Windows should able automatically install the driver for RX580.

When I switch from 1080Ti to RX580, all I need to do is just boot and wait.

That may cause few minutes. I am not 100% sure if internet connection is required, but that was available on my cMP.

Do not force shutdown the Mac unless you wait to at least 10min (if you have fast internet connection and running Windows on a SSD)

The first problem I have is that I have no reliable method of selecting my Win10 partition as startup. I may try BootChamp, though I'm not thrilled that it hasn't been in active development since El Capitan due to SIP (yes, it can still work with SIP-disabled, which I prefer not to do), and with Apple's push of getting apps reoptimized for future releases of OS X, I don't want to commit to it.

My Win10 is on dual hardware RAID'd SSDs and I do have a 200Mbps internet. I will try the GPU swap to properly set it as the startup volume, remove all video drivers as possible, then try the wait-and-see approach, crossing my fingers that Win10 will automatically download and install RX580 drivers and finally reveal video...

QUESTION: What are your thoughts on the 1080Ti vs 580? Which do you prefer and why? Why would you need both, other than for testing/developing purposes?
 
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So, my whole point of getting the RX580 was to upgrade to Mojave beta. Unfortunately, I had the beta 3 full installer which didn't have the latest FW version 89 (I was at 87), and after booting to Mojave for the first time, the automatic OS update system installed beta 4.

Thus began my odyssey of FW upgrading post RX580 install. When I initiated it by launching the beta 4 full installer, I forgot to swap in my 5870 and was met with the unending black screen. I had to repeat the whole process from the beginning but swapped in the 5870 while it was shutdown. The FW update was successful and rebooted to Mojave, surprising me with the fact that Mojave was able to run with the 5870, albeit with some graphical glitches here and there, but nothing significant that prevents its use.

Feeling like now was finally the time to try booting into my UEFI Windows 10 Pro partition (Apricorn Velocity Duo x2 using a pair of 2TB 850's hardware RAID'd, with the first partition NTFS) under my new 580, this is when things got ugly.

1) I used Paragon NTFS to boot to Win10 but after a period of time in a black screen, it rebooted again and was greeted with no boot device found. Without the boot screen picker, there was nothing I could do to prevent always getting to this screen: I tried PRAM reset, pulling all Windows drives, pulling all drives. But the Mac always booted to this message.

2) I swapped the 5870 back in to use the boot screen picker to properly pick my Win10 partition, which is labelled "EFI Boot" on this screen, and was finally able to run Win10. I suspect the Paragon NTFS startup manager (which I have never needed to use before) doesn't properly select the Win10 boot partition (it doesn't show "EFI Boot" but the actual name of the partition).

3) Verifying that Win10 was now the startup disk by rebooting, I shutdown, swapped in the 580 then powered up. Unending black screen. Forced a power down, then powered on and waited: nothing but black screen. Again just couldn't would get away from that black screen despite all my attempts. I reinstalled the 5870 and it booted just fine into Win10 and Mojave. I then tried to pre-install drivers from the 580's install CD, but without it physically installed, there is no way I could get the drivers to install (without an external power source, I can't install and power both the 580 and 5870).

After pulling and reinstalling my 580 about a dozen times, I'm now an expert in throwing that puppy in almost effortlessly... but at present I have no way to boot into my existing UEFI Win10 partition under the 580.

I will try doing a brand new Win10 install under the 580 on a spare drive when I have the time, but I'm open to suggestions until then.

I've been having the same issue with Win 10 when I install a new graphics card. It has happened with both my RX Vega and my GTX 680. There is an error with the "Microsoft Basic Display Adapter" driver that prevents the device from starting. The only solution I've found is to boot it with both the old card and new card installed. Then install the drivers from AMD or Nvidia for the new card and make sure it's working. Then shut down and take out the old card. Of course powering both cards can be a challenge if you haven't done the pixlas mod. In that case you could temporarily connect one to an external PSU.
 
QUESTION: What are your thoughts on the 1080Ti vs 580? Which do you prefer and why? Why would you need both, other than for testing/developing purposes?

On cMP, RX580 is a better choice most of the time. Unless the software can utilise CUDA. If the user don’t need CUDA, and doesn’t really need high end GPU’s power. I usually recommend the RX580. Mostly because the RX580 isn’t that much slower on the cMP for most operation, but way cheaper, and has native support, much easier to maintain.

I don’t really need any of them. I am a lucky guy, has reasonable affordability, so that I can buy both to have some fun.

My 1080Ti is now in a Hackintosh, but mainly boot to Windows (becasue my cMP still working, that Hackintosh is just my backup MacOS computer). No professional usage at all, mainly use it for gaming and video encoding (Windows). I really love the 1080Ti’s video engine, it’s super fast and high quality. But that’s not available in MacOS. This is the main reason why this Hackintosh mainly boot to Windows.

The RX580 is in the cMP now for day to day use (my cMP run 24/7). TBH, both 1080Ti (with V387 driver) and RX580 provide the same smoothness on my monitor for almost everything. The monitor is Samsung CHG 90, I let the UI render at 7680x2160 @144Hz. So, obviously both cards are way over power for normal usage even up to 4k 60Hz.

I also do some video editing in FCPX, in this case, RX580 of course way faster due to much better optimisation. And this is the main reason why I buy the RX580 when I decided to move my 1080Ti to the Hackintosh. My Apple 4870 can still drive the UI at 3840x1080 (I couldn’t remember if it can run at 120Hz, but 60Hz is definitely not an issue at all). However, I want a better card for FCPX (I still occasionally do some 4k video editing. And I expect will pick that up more in future), also able to render better UI.

On the other hand, when I perform some Photo de-noise by the Neat noise removal filter. I can easily tell that the 1080Ti is significantly faster.

I rarely use PP, or DV now. I tried, but for my own usage, FCPX really the better choice. The 1080Ti performed quite well in PP or DV, but I don’t know how good the RX580 is in these software, no time to test it yet.

It’s easier to fit the Sapphire PULSE RX580 in the cMP due to the single 8pin design. My PNY XLR8 1080Ti is 100% reference, it can run anything (including Furmark, but not CUDA-Z heavy test), with just the mini 6pins. But obviously power spike can be a protential issue (CUDA-Z proved that).

I moved the 1080Ti from cMP to the Hackintosh because it fit better there (which is a 8700K machine). The Hackintosh won’t have the black screen issue (if do it right), so running a 1080Ti is a piece of cake. Also, the 8700K can better release the 1080Ti’s power. Even just for video encoding, as long as my encoding parameter need CPU assist, the 1080Ti can give me 50% more FPS in the Hackintosh than in the cMP due to CPU single thread performance differences.

Of course, gaming on the 1080Ti (Windows) is better than RX580.

Even though the 1080Ti is a better card in almost all areas. However, on the cMP (MacOS), it’s ability is suppressed by the CPU performance and the OS / driver support. So, unless the target is its CUDA performance. For most other usage, 1080Ti can hardly be a better choice on cMP if we also put price into the consideration (the RX580 has much better performance to cost ratio in MacOS most of the time).
 
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I've been having the same issue with Win 10 when I install a new graphics card. It has happened with both my RX Vega and my GTX 680. There is an error with the "Microsoft Basic Display Adapter" driver that prevents the device from starting. The only solution I've found is to boot it with both the old card and new card installed. Then install the drivers from AMD or Nvidia for the new card and make sure it's working. Then shut down and take out the old card. Of course powering both cards can be a challenge if you haven't done the pixlas mod. In that case you could temporarily connect one to an external PSU.

Yea, I've got to dig out my spare PC PSU somewhere in storage and perform the power-on paper-clip trick. I've got three monitors (one DVI, one Mini-DisplayPort, and one VGA, though I'm only using the first one presently) so that won't be a problem. For me, this seems a much easier approach than deleting drivers and hoping for the best...
 
Has anyone here tried Mojave with a Metal card?

No boot screens obviously, but it seems like they've moved the GPU loading much earlier in the loading process, so you see the progress bar quicker.
 
Sorry to be so daft, but in daily computer chores (office, inet browsing, video playback, not editing/rendering) would I notice any benefits with a 580 that my 7970 is weak on?

Not really.

The 7970 isn't THAT far off the performance of an RX580 (yes, there's a 20-50% gap depending on stuff, but...), and in general day to day stuff you aren't pushing the GPU hard anyway.

The 7970 was a high end GPU when it was released (and even for some years afterwards, if i recall it was almost re-badged into the r9 280x - minor tweaks), the RX480/580 was mid-range.
 
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Not really.

The 7970 isn't THAT far off the performance of an RX580 (yes, there's a 20-50% gap depending on stuff, but...), and in general day to day stuff you aren't pushing the GPU hard anyway.

The 7970 was a high end GPU when it was released (and even for some years afterwards, it was almost re-badged into the r9 290 which became the r9 390), the RX480/580 was mid-range.

the RX 580 is quite a bit faster then the 7970

if all your doing is pushing the GUI around then yeah any card can do that fine these days.

but under load the RX 580 will be way ahead (to give another example the 7970 is GTX 680 levels of performance the RX 580 is GTX 980)

also the 7970 only got rebadged into the R9 280X, the R9 290/X and R9 390/X are diffrent chips (Hawaii)
 
the RX 580 is quite a bit faster then the 7970

if all your doing is pushing the GUI around then yeah any card can do that fine these days.

but under load the RX 580 will be way ahead (to give another example the 7970 is GTX 680 levels of performance the RX 580 is GTX 980)

also the 7970 only got rebadged into the R9 280X, the R9 290/X and R9 390/X are diffrent chips (Hawaii)

Yeah, but still. Its not like you're dropping to integrated GPU levels of performance. It's still faster than an RX560 for instance, which is what Apple are currently shipping as the discrete GPU (in lower power mobile form) in the Macbook Pros.


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Corrected my post re 280x. i knew there was rebadging going on and looked it up and correct myself before you ninja-replied :D
 
Yep, sorry about that, and to others who mistakenly made a purchase.

My bad as I hadn't looked too closely at the 6-pin end and description. I had just gone out to my local Fry's to look at it and that's when I discovered the error of my ways... :(

As far as I could determine, there are no US-based sources for these and the only easily purchaseable one is off eBay from China for ~$15 USD with shipping. As I have no recourse, I had placed on order which will take 2-3 weeks to arrive...

BTW, my Dual Mini 6pin to 8pin adapter from kana1688, arrived last week and seems to work fine with the Pulse RX580 8GB
 
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Has anyone here tried Mojave with a Metal card?

No boot screens obviously, but it seems like they've moved the GPU loading much earlier in the loading process, so you see the progress bar quicker.

I can’t say how much faster the progress bar appears after the boot chime since I didn’t do a benchmark before I switched, but it definitely boots noticeably faster to the login screen than any previous OS I’ve run on my dual 3.46 5.1.
 
Still waiting for mine, 17 days and counting... :-(

I am astonished when I see people say that they have received deliveries from China in two, three weeks time. Here on the land of everything costs triple, Brazil, 75 days to arrive on average, best ever was a little over a month.
 
I am astonished when I see people say that they have received deliveries from China in two, three weeks time. Here on the land of everything costs triple, Brazil, 75 days to arrive on average, best ever was a little over a month.
I have had deliveries within two weeks quite often. It depends on the number of shipping containers heading towards the UK and what spare capacity they have. I also have had to wait 6-7 weeks or more.
I would suppose that Brazil's more rigid customs on imports might slow things down.
 
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I ordered from AliExpress on 9 July. It's now ust past two weeks and the tracking status is still "Your item has been processed through a facility in GUANGZHOU EMS, CHINA at 6:37 am on July 14, 2018."

So I will keep patiently waiting. As tsialex reminded us, it could be worse!

Edit: Woohoo, just hit customs in Chicago. Estimated delivery is next Monday.
 
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Any word on BOOT SCREEN support? What does supported mean if not boot screen? Is there any firmware?
 
Any word on BOOT SCREEN support? What does supported mean if not boot screen? Is their any firmware?
No firmware. No boot screen. No word on the developer forum.

Btw, Apple is suggesting this cards, with zero support until now.
 
Any word on BOOT SCREEN support? What does supported mean if not boot screen? Is there any firmware?

I would guess that supported for now means driver support within macOS but nothing more. I cannot see Apple's offering a EFI to flash onto RX5x0 cards for boot support now or in the future.
 
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