iPad mini Ok, everyone needs to calm down about this whole color gamut thing

[bruinsrme]

I love food analogies. I think of the Air as a large pizza, and the rMini as a personal pizza. Despite having the exact same ingredients, a large pizza will ALWAYS taste different than a personal pizza. It's all in how the ingredients play together in the oven. Moisture, surface area, weight, etc. all factor in to how a pizza tastes and feels in your mouth.

I agree with that.

However, Apple seems to limit the functions (jailbreaking programs) to protect the user experience on their devices. To me I would assume that Apple would want users to see the same picture at the same quality and color across devices.

Looking at Seaturtle.org the apples stores seem to have nothing in stock. Doesn't seem to be any issues on the retail side.

 

[Benson86]

Agreed with many of the things said so far, glad people are starting to calm down lol.

One thing I feel still needs to be said, is that people seem to be confusing 100% sRGB coverage with color accuracy, when the two have nothing in common. In fact most full coverage displays actually end up being less accurate, because the signal being sent to them is compressed. That's why the iPads pop so much, the panel is capable of displaying all that color but the iPad isn't capable of displaying it so colors get clipped. It looks great to the average user, but it isn't accurate. Im a professional photographer, and see this problem with pro displays hooked up to normal computers all the time.

And yes, the backlight has everything to do with the color gamut, the LCD display itself has very little to do with it.

 

[klover]

The conversation about gamut was, and is, justified. But not because there is a conspiracy, it's just unfortunate that we can't enjoy the same color fidelity that is present on (most) of our other Apple devices.

 

[ZBoater]

The conversation about gamut was, and is, justified. But not because there is a conspiracy, it's just unfortunate that we can't enjoy the same color fidelity that is present on (most) of our other Apple devices.

The conversation perhaps. The baseless accusations against Apple are not. If people became disappointed because the iPad Mini didn't meet some standard of their own making, they should blame themselves and not Apple of behaving unethically. Those comments are definitely not justified.

 

[AppleRobert]

The conversation perhaps. The baseless accusations against Apple are not. If people became disappointed because the iPad Mini didn't meet some standard of their own making, they should blame themselves and not Apple of behaving unethically. Those comments are definitely not justified.

It was an assumption. I bet if I took a poll, very few would admit they would have been concerned about that happening than other things about the device (i.e..weight, size, battery life, etc.).

Regardless, it isn't going to matter for 99% of rMini owners.

 

[asleep]

All this complaining brings to light an aspect of the retina iPad mini that might have otherwise gone unnoticed until people saw the display in person...

So it's a see it in person kinda thing...?

 

[AppleRobert]

So it's a see it in person kinda thing...? Image

I guess. Was it an issue on the forum with the 1st Mini? Not that I can recall.

 

[pocket3d]

Agreed with many of the things said so far, glad people are starting to calm down lol.

One thing I feel still needs to be said, is that people seem to be confusing 100% sRGB coverage with color accuracy, when the two have nothing in common. In fact most full coverage displays actually end up being less accurate, because the signal being sent to them is compressed. That's why the iPads pop so much, the panel is capable of displaying all that color but the iPad isn't capable of displaying it so colors get clipped. It looks great to the average user, but it isn't accurate. Im a professional photographer, and see this problem with pro displays hooked up to normal computers all the time.

And yes, the backlight has everything to do with the color gamut, the LCD display itself has very little to do with it.

Interesting, thanks. By the way, the retina mini is well worth buying for all the other things it has going for it. I'm not dissatisfied with mine at all, but I'd like to hear more about this accuracy vs. gamut subject.

 

[voronoi]

So it's a see it in person kinda thing...? Image

Most definitely, yes. Photographs have too many variables for accurate comparison (the camera, lighting, etc) and as you can probably tell, testimonials on online forums are almost never reliable. It might be a hassle for some to go see it in person, but there's really no other way to convey how a screen looks. If all else fails, Apple has a 14 day return policy (extended for the holiday shopping season) in case you decide you're not happy with it.

 

[ZBoater]

The guys at Engadget seem to have missed the whole gamut thing

"All told, this is one of the best displays we've seen on a tablet."

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/15/ipad-mini-retina-display-review/

 

[mcdj]

The guys at Engadget seem to have been paid not discuss the whole gamut thing

"All told, this is one of the best displays we've seen on a tablet."

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/15/ipad-mini-retina-display-review/

Fixed.

 

[lk400]

I have no problem in there being a difference between the two. However, this kind of thing should be covered more in the media as it is one more thing for especially artists to keep in mind when deciding whether to go with the Mini or the Air.

As with any feature on any spec list for any device ever released in the world, this gamut thing will be a big deal for some people and not at all for others. It's not for me, but then I would never buy a Mini, anyway.

I think this will just lead to more people focussing on what may be a tiny difference, and amplify the difference, just like what has happend on here.

If an artist, or photographer cannot perceive the difference on their own, then its not great enough to affect their work, and not something that warrants discussion. If its big enough to make, say, a phographers clients say - oh no i wont buy these prints, they are all washed out and ugly, then for sure the photographer is going to notice it.

There is little doubt that there is a small difference in the way the 2 screens approach color. But whats happened on here is kind of like the "medical students disease" - people see a barely perceivable thing, and focus on it so much that it becomes blown out of all proportion.

 

[Technarchy]

I guess. Was it an issue on the forum with the 1st Mini? Not that I can recall.

No it wasn't. For my purposes its not an issue now, so there is nothing to calm down about.

I had a Nexus 7, and for all it's color gamut goodness it lacked in a list of other ways that made me return it and wait for the rMini which I got about a week later.

What does the color gamut issue mean in the real world...

In a blind test I can almost assure you that the majority would fail to select the one with the most accurate color gamut...

So yeah, non-issue, don't care, not getting an Air and for sure not getting another Nexus 7

 

[cababah]

No it wasn't. For my purposes its not an issue now, so there is nothing to calm down about.

I had a Nexus 7, and for all it's color gamut goodness it lacked in a list of other ways that made me return it and wait for the rMini which I got about a week later.

What does the color gamut issue mean in the real world...

In a blind test I can almost assure you that the majority would fail to select the one with the most accurate color gamut...

So yeah, non-issue, don't care, not getting an Air and for sure not getting another Nexus 7

Perhaps you're right but I could care less about what the "majority" would see. I see it and that is what matters to me.

I really don't like how the rMini's reds end up looking orange-ish.

 

[Ries]

No it wasn't. For my purposes its not an issue now, so there is nothing to calm down about.

I had a Nexus 7, and for all it's color gamut goodness it lacked in a list of other ways that made me return it and wait for the rMini which I got about a week later.

What does the color gamut issue mean in the real world...

In a blind test I can almost assure you that the majority would fail to select the one with the most accurate color gamut...

So yeah, non-issue, don't care, not getting an Air and for sure not getting another Nexus 7

But they would pick the Air over the mini for the more vibrant colours. There is a reason TV's in shops have demo's build in and a special demo picture mode.

 

[Technarchy]

But they would pick the Air over the mini for the more vibrant colours. There is a reason TV's in shops have demo's build in and a special demo picture mode.

Yeah...no.

Unless the Air is full of magic and can shrink and lose weight on command, I'm pretty certain anyone that walks into a store looking for a Mini will leave with a Mini.

What you're saying might have some semblance of credibility if millions of Mini owners had not already overlooked the iPad4, and instead happily "settled" for a low res screen, a two year old SOC and half the RAM.

Now we're supposed to believe a small color variance is going to cause an exodus from the rMini which meets a very specific niche and demand, toward the Air which caters to a buyer looking for something "largely" different (pun intended)

 

[ZBoater]

Yeah...no.

Unless the Air is full of magic and can shrink and lose weight on command, I'm pretty certain anyone that walks into a store looking for a Mini will leave with a Mini.

What you're saying might have some semblance of credibility if millions of Mini owners had not already overlooked the iPad4, and instead happily "settled" for a low res screen, a two year old SOC and half the RAM.

Now we're supposed to believe a small color variance is going to cause an exodus from the rMini which meets a very specific niche and demand, toward the Air which caters to a buyer looking for something "largely" different (pun intended)

Great point.

 

[Lucille Carter]

Calm will not happen to some.

Some people think that they deserve everything be perfect for all the money they are paying. If it represents that much moeny, to them, they likely should not have purchased it.

 

[Rogifan]

Yeah...no.

Unless the Air is full of magic and can shrink and lose weight on command, I'm pretty certain anyone that walks into a store looking for a Mini will leave with a Mini.

What you're saying might have some semblance of credibility if millions of Mini owners had not already overlooked the iPad4, and instead happily "settled" for a low res screen, a two year old SOC and half the RAM.

Now we're supposed to believe a small color variance is going to cause an exodus from the rMini which meets a very specific niche and demand, toward the Air which caters to a buyer looking for something "largely" different (pun intended)

I wonder how many of those complaining now actually owned a 1st gen mini? Because if you were coming from an 3rd or 4th gen I can see where the color might be noticeable. But I still think its a small minority that will be bothered by this enough to either get an Air or jump to a competitors tablet. I mean if the colors on the mini were that bad how in the world did it get such great reviews from the likes of cnet, the Verge, Engadget, Ars Technica, etc. Even Anandtech, which pointed out the difference in color, still recommended the rMini. You wouldn't give an editors choice to a tablet that had a screen with crappy colors.

 

[deeddawg]

people see a barely perceivable thing, and focus on it so much that it becomes blown out of all proportion.

Which of course NEVER happens here on MacRumors...

 

[AppleRobert]

Yeah...no.

Unless the Air is full of magic and can shrink and lose weight on command, I'm pretty certain anyone that walks into a store looking for a Mini will leave with a Mini.

What you're saying might have some semblance of credibility if millions of Mini owners had not already overlooked the iPad4, and instead happily "settled" for a low res screen, a two year old SOC and half the RAM.

Now we're supposed to believe a small color variance is going to cause an exodus from the rMini which meets a very specific niche and demand, toward the Air which caters to a buyer looking for something "largely" different (pun intended)

What was overlooked the first go round with the 1st Mini versus the larger Ipads speaks volumes versus this color gamut controversy. Size, weight, and portability for comfortability overshadowed resolution and color.

 

[Fortimir]

I'm not a professional photographer or videographer who needs a completely color-accurate panel.

I am and even I don't care.

My mini is a toy. My Macs and Macbooks with weekly-calibrated screens are not.

Even with the lower gamut, I intend to buy a few of these to pass around at wedding receptions loaded up with a slideshow of pics from the day. No one is going to care. They are going to care about the moment. Hell, those pics will be unedited JPEGs straight from my backup cards. They'll get the real deal later.

 

[ZBoater]

I am and even I don't care.

My mini is a toy. My Macs and Macbooks with weekly-calibrated screens are not.

Even with the lower gamut, I intend to buy a few of these to pass around at wedding receptions loaded up with a slideshow of pics from the day. No one is going to care. They are going to care about the moment. Hell, those pics will be unedited JPEGs straight from my backup cards. They'll get the real deal later.

OMG. Perspective. It is a beautiful thing.

Out of curiosity, do you plan to use cases on those iPads? Otterbox comes to mind.

 

[Fortimir]

Out of curiosity, do you plan to use cases on those iPads?

You know, I haven't got that far. Ha. I've got a few scattered weddings over the winter, but I'm not going to be ready to bite until before the spring season starts.

I've considered no cases and having our info laser engraved on the back. I'm not too worried about theft, but loss is more likely! We can be pretty tired at the end of a day and we've left small items (ahem, lenses) behind.

I'm not a fan of cases in general. My MacBooks have slip cases, and my iPhone and iPad Mini go nude. Especially with the space gray, they are quite resilient to scratching, and the glass even more so. And if they get scratched, big deal. More perspective, they are tools. ;-)

 

[zbarvian]

Whoa, the issue is getting some serious press coverage now.