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iPad mini Ok, everyone needs to calm down about this whole color gamut thing

The iPad mini with retina display is Apple’s second generation mini tablet. The first generation iPad mini was disappointing because not only did it have a low resolution low PPI display, but its small 62 percent Color Gamut was the same as the older iPad 2, instead of the 100 percent Color Gamut on the iPad 3 and iPad 4 (and the new iPad Air). The new iPad mini with retina display has a high resolution high PPI display like the other two mini tablets that we test here. But shockingly, it still has the same small 63 percent color gamut as the original iPad mini and even older iPad 2. As a result, the iPad mini with retina display comes in with a distant 3rd place finish behind the innovative displays on the Kindle Fire HDX 7 and new Nexus 7. More on these issues below.


did they mention the large number of owners of the nexus 7 with touch screen issues? seems to me the touch screen working is more important than gamut? im just glad my nexus 7 is ok
 
During an Oct. 2012 interview with Ars Technica, Dr. Soneira said:

In an interview with Florence Ion of ArsTechnica, Soneira explains only people with the perfect 20/20 vision might be able to notice a slight difference between a 720p and 1080p smartphone display.

For some people, it is possible to tell the difference if we were to sit down and study a [1080p] display and a [720p] display, side-by-side.

If you’re really a fanatic and you study images, or you have some professional applications and you’re really into displays, then it may make a visual difference for you.

To us, ordinary folks, the extra sharpness of a 1080p display is wasted because your eyes typically “can’t resolve sharpness above 229 pixels per inch”, he says.

So does Soneira's latest article apply to fanatics, or ordinary consumers? I viewed the same movie on an Air and rMini placed side by side, and the Air's display was slightly more saturated in that situation. I don't normally view two devices at one time, and the rMini was fine.

*I realize Soneira is talking about resolution, and not color gamut above, but it's along the same lines the way I see it. (No pun intended :D)
 
ZBoater said:
Really? Wow. I read in another post someone making the excellent argument that despite having a 1024x768 pixel screen, "inexcusable" gamut coverage, 512MB of RAM (not even 1GB!) and a two generation old processor, the original Mini sold like hot cakes.

I guess a lot of people excused Apple then. I wonder what impact this will have on rMini sales... :confused:

The word NEGLIGIBLE comes to mind...
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I gotta say something about the iPad mini 1- That device is an absurd device to purchase:

1) Using an iPad 2 A5 processor in october 2012
2) Using 1024x768 - that was great back when iPad 1 was introduced to the world
3) 512MB ram is because they used the old A5 processor
4) They come out with 7.9" tablet when steve jobs said it sucks and maybe he was wrong but you know what, the numbers don't lie right?

Bottom line was whoever bought the 1st gen are the same iSheeps who don't care about this gamut-gate issue now. If you are truly smart with your money, you know the iPad mini is really not worth the price tag.
 
To me the color difference is very obvious especially in iOS 7 colorful icons and wall papers.

In the Internet and in general usage especially watching a movie it's just fine!!!

I watched an HD movie last night starting then at the exact same time on the air and the mini. They both looked great!

In the real world it's a non-issue but it is something that is very obvious even when not comparing two devices.
 
Anti-Lucifer said:
I gotta say something about the iPad mini 1- That device is an absurd device to purchase:

1) Using an iPad 2 A5 processor in october 2012
2) Using 1024x768 - that was great back when iPad 1 was introduced to the world
3) 512MB ram is because they used the old A5 processor
4) They come out with 7.9" tablet when steve jobs said it sucks and maybe he was wrong but you know what, the numbers don't lie right?

Bottom line was whoever bought the 1st gen are the same iSheeps who don't care about this gamut-gate issue now. If you are truly smart with your money, you know the iPad mini is really not worth the price tag.
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If you are truly "smart with your money", you don't buy a device like the iPad period. Plan on making a point any time soon?
 
comatose81 said:
I'd like for someone to find one post on this site that mentioned color gamut on the iPad mini with Retina Display prior to November 12th. Didn't stop everyone here from ordering it at 3am.
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No one knew at that time that the Mini was going to produce muted/washed out colors either. Your point?
 
comatose81 said:
If you are truly "smart with your money", you don't buy a device like the iPad period. Plan on making a point any time soon?
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Well then if you are even smarter with your money, you don't buy anything at all. Just save up and put inside your coffin. Let's be rational here - you don't spend hard earned money on an iPad mini 1. You have to think clearly about the iPad mini 2 because apple clearly cut corners and shoved this down your pants and you accept it because apple says it's good enough.

You will see how in 2014, they will fix these gamut-gate issues like they did antenna-gate.
 
JGWolven said:
No one knew at that time that the Mini was going to produce muted/washed out colors either. Your point?
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According to all of the brilliant display experts on this site, the "color gamut" of the original iPad mini was exactly the same as the iPad mini with Retina Display. If that was the case, why wasn't anyone screaming about it back then? The only response anyone can come up with is "we couldn't see the color gamut through the crappy pixels, hyuk hyuk hyuk". Which basically means no one even thought of this until others told them to look for it.

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Anti-Lucifer said:
Well then if you are even smarter with your money, you don't buy anything at all. Just save up and put inside your coffin. Let's be rational here - you don't spend hard earned money on an iPad mini 1. You have to think clearly about the iPad mini 2 because apple clearly cut corners and shoved this down your pants and you accept it because apple says it's good enough.

You will see how in 2014, they will fix these gamut-gate issues like they did antenna-gate.
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Last time I checked, people spend their hard-earned disposable income on whatever they want. That's why it's disposable.
 
Anti-Lucifer said:
Well then if you are even smarter with your money, you don't buy anything at all. Just save up and put inside your coffin. Let's be rational here - you don't spend hard earned money on an iPad mini 1. You have to think clearly about the iPad mini 2 because apple clearly cut corners and shoved this down your pants and you accept it because apple says it's good enough.

You will see how in 2014, they will fix these gamut-gate issues like they did antenna-gate.
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While you are busy bitching and moaning, my wife is enjoying the hell out of her gamut-gate mini and has no clue what that even means.

And next year, when they release a mini 3 with full gamut, she will upgrade and enjoy the hell out of that one anyway, so she may as well enjoy the mini 2 while that's the product that's out now.

Don't like it, don't buy it. Most people use the device rather than sitting it next to an air just to look at the difference in the red and green icons so they can post on this website.
 
puma1552 said:
While you are busy bitching and moaning, my wife is enjoying the hell out of her gamut-gate mini and has no clue what that even means.

And next year, when they release a mini 3 with full gamut, she will upgrade and enjoy the hell out of that one anyway, so she may as well enjoy the mini 2 while that's the product that's out now.

Don't like it, don't buy it. Most people use the device rather than sitting it next to an air just to look at the difference in the red and green icons so they can post on this website.
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apple apologists out in full force.:cool:
 
Anti-Lucifer said:
...If you are truly smart with your money, you know the iPad mini is really not worth the price tag.
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Well, I bought it. Two actually. One for me and one for the wife. We both used them and enjoyed them and they filled their purposes very, very well.

I'm not the smartest guy in the room with money, but I am pretty sure the Mini1 was a commercial success despite not being "worth" it as you say.
 
Anti-Lucifer said:
apple apologists out in full force.:cool:
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No, not at all.

Look, you've been calling this a "problem" all along as if it's a manufacturing defect, when it isn't.

Plain and simple, Apple chose to go with a 63% gamut on these devices and that's the spec they are built to. It is not a defect, it is not a problem. Apple made zero claims as to color gamut.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Why do you care so much if other people enjoy their devices? I could go up to my wife and wave my big bad full gamut iPad 4 in her face and make her feel small, or I could just leave well enough alone, mention nothing about gamut-gate, and let her enjoy her device and next year when the mini has a full gamut, upgrade for not a lot out of pocket after resale is figured in, certainly not a lot out of pocket considering how much enjoyment she will get in the year-long interim between now and then.
 
Anti-Lucifer said:
That's why apple loves consumers like you! Keep buying the kool-aid!
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Actually, I buy whatever product works best for me based on the research I've done and my personal needs. You know, like a normal person.

I even bought the - *GASP* - 11" MacBook Air... the one with the worse battery life and tiny screen! Oh, the horror! If you're truly smart with money, you know you should only buy the 13" MacBook Air and if you're extremely truly smart with money, you would never buy the pathetic Air, you go straight to the Retina MacBook Pro!!!!!!!!!!!
 
puma1552 said:
No, not at all.

Look, you've been calling this a "problem" all along as if it's a manufacturing defect, when it isn't.

Plain and simple, Apple chose to go with a 63% gamut on these devices and that's the spec they are built to. It is not a defect, it is not a problem. Apple made zero claims as to color gamut.
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Now I see why apple makes billions - apple can sell you a TN display panel in 2013 and charge you ridiculous price...oh wait, they did, it's called MBA. And as long as isheeps keep buying an iPad 2, they will keep charging $400 for one.

There's just no way to get thru to apple loyalists you guys go thru extremes to not see the truths. Oh well, let me go back and enjoy my iPad Air instead.
 
FrankB1191 said:
During an Oct. 2012 interview with Ars Technica, Dr. Soneira said:

In an interview with Florence Ion of ArsTechnica, Soneira explains only people with the perfect 20/20 vision might be able to notice a slight difference between a 720p and 1080p smartphone display.

For some people, it is possible to tell the difference if we were to sit down and study a [1080p] display and a [720p] display, side-by-side.

If you’re really a fanatic and you study images, or you have some professional applications and you’re really into displays, then it may make a visual difference for you.

To us, ordinary folks, the extra sharpness of a 1080p display is wasted because your eyes typically “can’t resolve sharpness above 229 pixels per inch”, he says.

So does Soneira's latest article apply to fanatics, or ordinary consumers? I viewed the same movie on an Air and rMini placed side by side, and the Air's display was slightly more saturated in that situation. I don't normally view two devices at one time, and the rMini was fine.

*I realize Soneira is talking about resolution, and not color gamut above, but it's along the same lines the way I see it. (No pun intended :D)
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Color Gamut. We are talking about color gamut.
 
comatose81 said:
Actually, I buy whatever product works best for me based on the research I've done and my personal needs. You know, like a normal person.

I even bought the - *GASP* - 11" MacBook Air... the one with the worse battery life and tiny screen! Oh, the horror! If you're truly smart with money, you know you should only buy the 13" MacBook Air and if you're extremely truly smart with money, you would never buy the pathetic Air, you go straight to the Retina MacBook Pro!!!!!!!!!!!
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sheesh, you sure love that red juice!
 
Anti-Lucifer said:
apple apologists out in full force.:cool:
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It's more like the Apple haters are out in full force.

Only here can someone make up an expectation based purely on one owns fantasy, not based on ANY history or commitment or indication from the people that design and build the things, and then be disappointed their own made up expectations were unfulfilled and accuse the manufacturer of "gimping", "holding back", "pushing crippled products on unsuspecting customers", and basically being single handedly responsible for destroying the professional photography and design industries. :rolleyes:
 
Anti-Lucifer said:
sheesh, you sure love that red juice!
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ZBoater said:
It's more like the Apple haters are out in full force.

Only here can someone make up an expectation based purely on one owns fantasy, not based on ANY history or commitment or indication from the people that design and build the things, and then be disappointed their own made up expectations were unfulfilled and accuse the manufacturer of "gimping", "holding back", "pushing crippled products on unsuspecting customers", and basically being single handedly responsible for destroying the professional photography and design industries. :rolleyes:
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Zboater - you are one of the worse apple apologists.

There is a front page article on macrumors confirming the iPad mini retina's display is gimped. But that's not enough proof for ya. So automatically people who first noticed this color saturation issue are apple haters. They have no proof even if many come here and posts their experiences and yet now there is a full article and tests done, it proves nothing? Crippling this iPad mini retina display was apple's goal so they can reap in more profit margins. It's that simple. Come back in 2014 when they fix this issue and let's see your comments then.
 
Anti-Lucifer said:
Zboater - you are one of the worse apple apologists.

There is a front page article on macrumors confirming the iPad mini retina's display is gimped. But that's not enough proof for ya. So automatically people who first noticed this color saturation issue are apple haters. They have no proof even if many come here and posts their experiences and yet now there is a full article and tests done, it proves nothing? Crippling this iPad mini retina display was apple's goal so they can reap in more profit margins. It's that simple. Come back in 2014 when they fix this issue and let's see your comments then.
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Can you link me to the part of the iPad mini with Retina Display technical specifications where 100% color gamut is listed as a feature?

Thanks in advance.
 
comatose81 said:
Can you link me to the part of the iPad mini with Retina Display technical specifications where 100% color gamut is listed as a feature?

Thanks in advance.
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Right - just like where apple links to their ram specs, their processor clock speeds, and their GPU specs. good grief, I don't think apple can bend over anyone more than they have you.


PS - just looked at some ferarri pictures on the new iPad mini retina. So I guess ferarri makes orange cars now! Hmm, but it's ok, because it doesn't need to be correctly displayed because what difference is red and orange, they are technically the same when looking at it on the mini retina display. That's not a problem at all!
 
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