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lowendlinux

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I don't get the notch hate it's just wasted space up there adding a notch and moving that stuff to the left or right makes sense.
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jamezr

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I don't get the notch hate it's just wasted space up there adding a notch and moving that stuff to the left or right makes sense.


It does if they skimp on the available features because the notch is too small. Like on the iphone X the notch is too small to allow battery percentage icon. That icon is present in the iphone 8 Plus without the notch

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lowendlinux

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It does if they skimp on the available features because the notch is too small. Like on the iphone X the notch is too small to allow battery percentage icon. That icon is present in the iphone 8 Plus without the notch

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TBH I haven't really taken a good hard look at the top of an iOS device in a while. The notch wouldn't work on yours well but it seems like it'd work on mine
 

jamezr

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TBH I haven't really taken a good hard look at the top of an iOS device in a while. The notch wouldn't work on yours well but it seems like it'd work on mine
yeah..I'm sure it works for some and not for others. My only beef with the notch is it is too small to allow a normal set of app and notification icons. So they reduced the features to allow for the notch.
 
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Oohara

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I don't get the notch hate it's just wasted space up there adding a notch and moving that stuff to the left or right makes sense.
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For me it simply hurts the eyes. IMO a space dedicated to presenting content shouldn't get in the way of that content by drawing attention to itself, which the notch does by interrupting an otherwise symmetrical frame. Call me OCD or what you like but I honestly can't stand it :)

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sracer

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I don't get the notch hate it's just wasted space up there adding a notch and moving that stuff to the left or right makes sense.
It isn't "wasted space up there" when using full screen apps. And for those apps that preserve the status area, it is only "wasted" because of the lack of exploitation of that area (there are different reasons for that).

@Oohara, that is an excellent point! How many of those who embrace the notch as being superior to bezels, ragged on Motorola for the "flat tire" of their smartwatch and lauded the superiority of the Apple Watch because of its symmetry?
 
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jamezr

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It isn't "wasted space up there" when using full screen apps. And for those apps that preserve the status area, it is only "wasted" because of the lack of exploitation of that area (there are different reasons for that).

@Oohara, that is an excellent point! How many of those who embrace the notch as being superior to bezels, ragged on Motorola for the "flat tire" of their smartphone and lauded the superiority of the Apple Watch because of its symmetry?
That is a great point!
 
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sracer

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Back before the iPhone X even came out, Rubin's Essential Phone had a notch.

And reviewers were already saying it was the future:

How top tech reviewers feel about the biggest change to smartphone design in years - Business Insider, Aug 2018

What Apple's later version did, was to let other makers know that lots of people were willing to buy such a design.

Now what's being said, is that if/when makers are able to put sensors behind the screen, notches will become a thing of the past.
I can't take that article too seriously when the first sentence is...

"Since the first iPhone came out in 2007, all smartphone displays have been perfectly rectangular."

There were smartphones available well before the iPhone in 2007, and all of them had "perfectly rectangular" displays. The author quoting other reviews (from mostly Android-friendly authors) to support his opinion is pretty weak.

The article aside, I agree with your assessment regarding what Apple did and why. They added the notch as a "feechur" to draw people in, and they'll later remove the notch as a "feechur" to pull even more people in. It's a big win for Apple. Rather than simply holding out until they could get the sensors behind the screen, they'll grab people now, and they'll grab them again (and even more people) when they remove the notch.
 

nfl46

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I can't take that article too seriously when the first sentence is...

"Since the first iPhone came out in 2007, all smartphone displays have been perfectly rectangular."

There were smartphones available well before the iPhone in 2007, and all of them had "perfectly rectangular" displays. The author quoting other reviews (from mostly Android-friendly authors) to support his opinion is pretty weak.

The article aside, I agree with your assessment regarding what Apple did and why. They added the notch as a "feechur" to draw people in, and they'll later remove the notch as a "feechur" to pull even more people in. It's a big win for Apple. Rather than simply holding out until they could get the sensors behind the screen, they'll grab people now, and they'll grab them again (and even more people) when they remove the notch.
Yep, I think its safe to say, that notch will get smaller and smaller every year. And, before you know it, we will have all screen display. I'd give it 4 years before the notch is completely gone. Think of the iPhone 6, 6s, 7, 8 design (4 years of this) before they will finally move on from it in 2018.
 
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kdarling

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I can't take that article too seriously when the first sentence is...

"Since the first iPhone came out in 2007, all smartphone displays have been perfectly rectangular."

There were smartphones available well before the iPhone in 2007, and all of them had "perfectly rectangular" displays.

lol True. On the other hand, if we ignored every article or post that began its list of smartphone history with the iPhone, there'd be precious little to read :)

I think a lot of writers mention the iPhone just because it'll get more clicks.
 
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sracer

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lol True. On the other hand, if we ignored every article or post that began its list of smartphone history with the iPhone, there'd be precious little to read :)
You say that as if it is a bad thing. :p There are far too many people writing articles that shouldn't be. Many articles feel like paid adverts... not necessarily by a single company but by marketing groups who may have more than one client in the industry.

IMO, we've reached "peak gadgetry". So to continue to convince consumers to spend a significant amount of money for an incremental change, companies need to make mountains out of molehills. A little thinner, a little lighter, a smaller bezel... take a design deficiency (the notch) and gaslight consumers into believing that a notch is superior to bezels.

These tactics are necessary to keep the churn going. Without them, people would hold onto their devices longer than they do now... not good for companies' bottom lines. But for those consumers who understand what's going on and make decisions based on their own individual needs (rather than believe what companies tell them they need), they're able to navigate the sea of gadgets and make wise purchasing decisions.

I guarantee, as soon as the technology becomes available to bury the sensors and front-facing camera beneath the screen so that the notch is no longer needed, these companies will be promoting a notch-less screen as "revolutionary" and "courageous"... and the same people singing the praises of the existence of the notch, will rush to the "notchvana" of a notch-less phone. :)
 

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I like many things about The Essential phone, but its notch is more distracting to me than the one on the iPhone. I think because it’s more like a zit than a notch. I can’t look away from it. I can sort of ignore the iPhone X notch when just casually looking at it. The notch on The Essential, being so tiny, looks like I spilled something on the screen.

It kind of reminds me of The Mole gag in Austin Powers. You just can’t help seeing it rather than the gorgeous display. At least I can’t.

I do hope my IPhone and Pixel serve me well through this notch madnes fad and that it doesn’t take several years to move back to unblemished rectangles again. I also hope Samsung someday comes to their senses and makes displays flat again. While I’m at it, I also hope for a hundred boxes of the finest dark chocolate truffles to show up at my door in the next five minutes, brought by porgs riding unicorns. :rolleyes:

Eh, I’ll settle for a solid release date announcement for the Red Hydrogen One phone this week. Alas, I’m more likely to see the unicorns and porgs, but a girl can dream. Okay, a grumpy old bat can dream. :cool:

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Klyster

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Yeah, a notch and a chin is worse than just a notch.
Apple used their notch better than the Android notch's bar maybe the essential.
 
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tbayrgs

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I don't know what you mean by a "chin"

Bezel at the bottom of a phone. IPhones up through the 8 had very large 'chins' to accommodate the home button. Phones like the Pixel 2 XL and last 2 generations of Galaxies have much smaller versions, while the iPhone X basically has none.
 

Vegastouch

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Bezel at the bottom of a phone. IPhones up through the 8 had very large 'chins' to accommodate the home button. Phones like the Pixel 2 XL and last 2 generations of Galaxies have much smaller versions, while the iPhone X basically has none.
Oh, I don't worry about bezels like some do. It's very small on the S8 & now S9. No biggy to me.
 

Klyster

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Oh, I don't worry about bezels like some do. It's very small on the S8 & now S9. No biggy to me.
Same but having both notch and chin is pointless.

Then again, I can't stand the notch, I prefer a forehead :)
 

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Aesthetically the iPhone X seems to be untouchable. Much like the iPhone 4 was back in its day. Looked better, felt better, performed better.

I can see why some people don't like the notch, but other manufacturer's notches (Asus, LG, OnePlus...) look so much worse.

Same goes for their rounded corners. Looks amateurish and cheap.

Apple might not be perfect, definitely not, but at least they understand the concept of radians.
 
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Vegastouch

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Evidently it isnt so much copying as much as it seems you need to have that notch for the ear speaker and sensors, camera etc. I guess they cant make those in with being a part of the screen. That to me seems like the likely reason for the notch. It cant be because it looks nice. Why else would there be a notch?
You people are never happy. Dont like bezels, dont like the notch. Clearly there needs to be something there to put the earpiece and sensors.
 
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