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It boggles the mind that Apple, a company which is the 6th largest company by revenue IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, only beaten by Walmart, Amazon, and 3 petrochemical companies refuses to build manufacturing plants in areas of the USA in need to regeneration and pay people a living wage. If anyone can afford to Apple can.
Nothing mind-boggling about that at all. Apple didn't get to become the sixth largest company by revenue in the world by doing nice things.

Corporations aren't your friends.
 
And no one would want to pay th price Apple would have to charge to do that. Once iPhones can be assembled almost 100%, from chip to box, via automated assembly we may see more US manufacturing as labor costs would be a tiny fraction of the cost of goods.
It didn't work like that before NAFTA/GATT. You see, people were paid a lot more for the work they did. They actually had a much higher standard of living. They supported and raised families, bought houses and cars, on a single income, with a high school degree or less. You say they "had it so easy," but is was NAFTA/GATT that took that all away.
 
LOL not surprised, folks ripping on "cheap crap from china" but have no idea how bad the alternative mfr from india is.

They may not be good producing tech, but they're good a producing textiles and metal wear. Some of the best sheets and towels I have and use are Indian made cotton. More than I can say for anything China makes in that department. Even rivals Egyptian cotton - which gets too much of the lime light.

Yeah so please don't 💩 on an entire country just because of this article.
 
They may not be good producing tech, but they're good a producing textiles and metal wear. Some of the best sheets and towels I have and use are Indian made cotton. More than I can say for anything China makes in that department. Even rivals Egyptian cotton - which gets too much of the lime light.

Yeah so please don't 💩 on an entire country just because of this article.
except its an reoccurring issues, and my comment is a reflection of how folks trash made in china, are you going to defend china too? or is your interest solely in defending india.
 
Probably had the same issues in China early on. Everything I’ve heard from people with plants there say it’s a constant struggle and you have to go there and correct them a lot. But Apple has a lot of money and a long relationship now.
It's not a constant stuggle for people with flower plants. Things are always Rosy. 🤣
 
Ramping up production and quality is a process. India is moving up the learning curve, so issues like this should be expected.

And it's not like China doesn't make mistakes. Remember scratch-gate? Probably not...but that's the process: you identify issues and fix them.

This data isn't really useful unless you have data to compare against. Is there comparable data between the ramp-up in other sites vs this one?
 
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Robots aren't an easy answer either. While robots can replace certain low-skill workers, more robots means you need more industrial engineers on hand to program, maintain, and repair those robots. I haven't looked in a while, but last report I read showed that nearly every country including the US (except China) is not graduating enough new young industrial engineers. That's one of the main things holding back manufacturing in the US - those giant mega plants in China are impossible in the US because we just don't have enough industrial engineers to staff them. I cannot imagine that Southeast Asia is doing much better in terms of educating enough industrial engineers.

Who's they gonna staff those plants with? Pink-haired smoothie-slurping millennials with a degree in some insane BS?

We don't have enough youth with necessary skills nor desire to work in manufacturing. This problem will require much more time/money to fix.
@oneMadRssn and @azpekt hit the nail on the head. The average position in manufacturing requires more commonsense and intelligence than most people are even able to comprehend. Talk to the average person walking down a city street, odds are ignorant to the things that matter or the skills that are needed. They can give you Rihanna's entire life story, but couldn't tell you how a pencil is made.

The problem is extremely worrisome if you think about the direction we are heading.
 


Apple is facing difficulties scaling up its production operations in India amid poor component yields and slow progress, the Financial Times reports.


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The company is apparently contending with immense difficulties in ramping up production in the country. At a factory in Hosur run by Apple supplier Tata that manufactures iPhone casings, only one in every two components coming off the production line "is in good enough shape" to be sent forward to assembly at Foxconn. The 50 percent yield is particularly low for almost any production operation and works against Apple's "zero-defect" manufacturing and environmental goals.

Former Apple engineers told the Financial Times that Chinese iPhone suppliers and government officials have a "whatever it takes" approach to win iPhone orders, describing how work was often completed weeks ahead of schedule at "inexplicable speed." Operations in India, on the other hand, are not running at this pace. "There just isn't a sense of urgency," one Apple engineer remarked.

Apple is apparently focused on a long term plan to improve manufacturing proficiency in the country. The company has sent product designers and engineers from California and China to factories in southern India to train locals and help set up production operations, according to four individuals who purport to be familiar with the matter.

Apple began producing entry-level iPhone models, starting with the iPhone SE, in India in 2017. Last year, Apple significantly stepped up its production in India, building some iPhone 14 models in the country within weeks of their launch in China.

Tata is said to have ambitions to become a full-service Apple supplier in the future and is in talks to take over a troubled Wistron iPhone assembly plant in Karnataka. Apple's long-term plan to diversify its global supply chain continues.

Article Link: Only 50% of iPhone Casings Made in India Meet Apple's Quality Standards
Ah, that bastion of quality, Tata...
I remember when they couldn't even make motorcars. LOL.
 
"Cheap crap from China" isn't crap because of the manufacturing location. It's crap, because it's designed and manufactured to low standards, because that's what buyers are ordering.
oh i'm aware, you get what you paid for, however people with an agenda would put all the blame solely on where the mfr location is and ignore all other factors.
 
My 13 mini will be my last iPhone, since they are too expensive from now on, apart from too big. Apple wants too much profit from me. I'm not buying it. Maybe if there comes along a mini-like iPhone again, I'll change my mind.
If it's not a secret, what other "inexpensive" options do you have?
 
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May be it's news to you, but Apple's margins have always been the wonder of Wall Street. I believe a recent story here reported that even though its worldwide market share for smartphones is much lower, Apple makes 85% of the profit in that market (and Samsung almost all of the rest).
No news for me, I wrote ”too much profit”. The shareholders demand an ever increasing profit, and that money comes from the likes of me and you. Or not. I'm into Apple's eco system and like it a lot, but there is a pecuniary limit for me what it is worth. As of today, I cannot see myself buying a new iPhone next time. But, perhaps there will be no more iPhones...
 
It didn't work like that before NAFTA/GATT. You see, people were paid a lot more for the work they did. They actually had a much higher standard of living. They supported and raised families, bought houses and cars, on a single income, with a high school degree or less. You say they "had it so easy," but is was NAFTA/GATT that took that all away.

I grew up in one of those households. They still exist, but mainly in skilled trades.

NAFTA/GATT may have accelerated the move away, but it was inevitable. When labor is a significant percentage of the cost, automation or low labor cost locations are the result; even within a country. It drove manufacturing out of the midwest to the south in the US. India is simply the next stop on the migration. India will eventually get its quality to the needed levels; once they address the issues causing them. It takes time to change the mindset and build a labor pool that has the needed skills. As that happens, India will be more competitive.

That's not to say a high labor cost area can't be competitive. The US is the largest manufacturer of BMWs and exports tehm worldwide; but you have an automated factory where the skill set to work there is different.

Tariffs are a tax on goods, enabling uncompetitive industries to stay in business at the expense of the consumer. It also drives out of business companies that depend on tariffed goods to make their products as cost of domestic or import versions go up.

The consumer is at the heart of this, if you look at buying habits. Sperry still hand makes shoes in the US. The are a great product but I doubt they can sell enough at $300+ to stay in business, so we get cheaper imported versions.
 
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India is not known for quality, finish, attention to detail etc. That's China, Korea, Taiwan, Germany etc. They're best as a an IT sweatshop. If not for the Indian government intervening (since Apple sells so many phones in India), Apple would have never setup a shop there.
 
Why are so many things out of India so third rate? Really bad movies that are hollywood knockoffs, bad music (it all sounds the same), awful engineering.... I've gone to so many Indian festivals in my city (huge indian population where I live) and the dancing is always uncoordinated and just looks really amateur. I just can't take anything out of this country seriously.

What is up with the overall quality of things in India?
 
Having worked with several Indian outsourcing firms, I am not surprised by this failure. I blame management....mostly.
i blame the work culture, we had several contractors last year, as soon as they wrap up their task don't expect any support, they just go off and pretend they never heard of you.
 
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Why are so many things out of India so third rate? Really bad movies that are hollywood knockoffs, bad music (it all sounds the same), awful engineering.... I've gone to so many Indian festivals in my city (huge indian population where I live) and the dancing is always uncoordinated and just looks really amateur. I just can't take anything out of this country seriously.

What is up with the overall quality of things in India?
corruption at every level, work ethics, work cultures, my company previously hired alot of indian contractors for tech support, towards the mid of it we had to rehire from neighboring pakistan and Malaysia.
 
Why are so many things out of India so third rate? Really bad movies that are hollywood knockoffs, bad music (it all sounds the same), awful engineering.... I've gone to so many Indian festivals in my city (huge indian population where I live) and the dancing is always uncoordinated and just looks really amateur. I just can't take anything out of this country seriously.

What is up with the overall quality of things in India?
It’s because of their mentality. It’s the opposite of most western countries. Their value system differs a lot from the western system.
 
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The prices haven’t really moved and there are not enough people who wanted the mini for it to be an annual release. Apple should not lower their profits just because you want cheap stuff.
The mini isn’t a cheap phone, just small. Even the SE isn’t a cheap phone.
 
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