Vietnam seems to be the winning play for other manufacturers.
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Only 50% of iPhone Casings Made in India Meet Apple's Quality Standards
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And this right here is the answer.
“There just isn’t a sense of urgency…”
YEAH BECAUSE WHY SHOULD THERE BE ASIDE FROM THEY NEED TO WORK TO SURVIVE AND FEED THEIR FAMILIES, AND will likely never even own a single new apple product in their lifetime, AND they don’t even get paid well for even 50% production.
I love Apple but I have no illusion, they’ll pay bottom dollar or slightly above that anywhere to their factory workers and retail staff. It’s disgusting but I can’t imagine any company doing any differently until all this bs is outlawed.
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Yeah, like folks did with outsourced software... that worked out real well (actually it did for me as my company is based on cleaning up that low quality mess)...
Yes having lived, worked and doing business in both countries it's far easier to get quality standards up in China if you're on top of it... in India even if you're on top of things improvement will still go painfully slowly (most folks we work with give up first as the costs grow larger and at least in software there's too much turnover... maybe Apple can have better luck on manufacturing, but it'll be a decade if being optimistic)
That's a bad example. The Tata Nano isn't designed for U.S. market, therefore it doesn't meet U.S. safety standards.
vroom vroom... boom
This is why you never see a Tata Nano driving in the US. Apple is in for bigger problems, I'm afraid.
Why didn't you use the Ford EcoSport and Chevy Beat/Spark as examples? Like Apple, they are both American companies who were manufacturing/assembling a product in India for export to the U.S. market.
As for a pure Indian auto brand, there's Mahindra. While they didn't succeed in getting their TR40 truck to the U.S., they do sell the Roxor in the U.S., though that is assembed in the U.S. and not India.
Like others have already said, it will just take a little time for the production issues to get fixed.
Apple had better put its sourcing outside of China on a faster track, especially given today's geopolitical environment. When folks look back on Cook's tenure as CEO, they will regard his failure to do more to diversify manufacturing outside of China as one of his biggest mistakes.
And China focused on manufacturing and India focused on software and IT. It's not like they both started racing in the same direction and India is somehow slower. Now India is trying to diversify their economy and Apple is trying to diversify their supply chain. There is literally one country in the world capable of manufacturing at this scale and Apple is trying to double that number.
Maybe China’s recycled material is just better…
India’s recycled, recycled material can’t hold up.
India’s recycled, recycled material can’t hold up.
Considering what an iPhone costs I can suggest a country, where I live, for the assembly. Switzerland. We are darn expensive, but at the prices Apple sells phones maybe it should consider it (well, except of course the little issue of volumes). We build darn fine watches and precision machining… so yes, here we are. But we have 1st world work conditions and environment laws (which theoretically should be a plus). Maybe for low volume products?
My comment, of course, is half serious and half not.
My comment, of course, is half serious and half not.
thats not all of it, my company have had serious problems with their work ethics, there is no sense of urgency when dealing with indian contractors. ofcourse i'm not saying every single indian have the same mentality, but over and large thats what i witnessed. we have since switched to a taiwanese contractor and what took couple of days of turn around was shrunk to next day.
The outsourcing firms literally hire the cheapest people that meet the credentials. They're body shops, pure and simple.
People that are any good can't deal with the body shop culture and leave. This one woman I worked with was super awesome, but had too much talent to stay at TechMahXXXra and left after two years. I think she's a principal now at DeloXXX.
Yes, the found the right amount of flogging necessary to get work done quickly.
There have been so much in the news about sweatshop conditions working at in those Chinese factories.
Break out the cat'o'nine, y'all desi managers.😱 Learn from the Chinese factory managers.😨
If this is what you believe happens in the factory in China that manufactures or assembles Apple parts or products (aka literally kill them if they don't...) then you should STOP buying any Apple products made in China.
Agreed.
I get it that there's an entire ecosystem of companies in China SE Asia that cannot be replicated overnight in the USA (and why the USA has allowed that to happen, I guess is another story).
But it strikes me that a big part of the attraction for Apple is:
- a huge workforce
- who won't - because they can't - join unions
- who aren't paid that much
- and who will be instantly replaced if they complain too much
It would solve a lot of the issues that it has - and then it would literally have robots making the iPhone, which you think, it would've been happier with all along.
Exactly or decent workers won't even apply for the junky pay and benefits. And the people who take the jobs would never last at a better job.
I don’t want to pay $1000 plus for a phone that was made in India. Sorry not sorry.
Good to see everyone realizing that Apple's actual financial success is from geo-arbitraging together a nearly slave labor population to crank out products ... that the first world then buys for incredibly inflated prices.
The whole "make it in the USA" thing wouldn't work, unless folks want to pay $2500+ for an iPhone.
The whole "make it in the USA" thing wouldn't work, unless folks want to pay $2500+ for an iPhone.
Gee, I wonder what’s so inexplicable about it? Maybe something to do with authoritarian regime and suicide nets.
At first I assumed contract was awarded to the lowest bidder, however with Tata being the supplier, I’m hoping that they make a quick turn around with the production quality without sacrificing workers to horrible conditions.
Maybe the rats can help build them?
Yeah I kind of picked up on that too. They found the way to motivate the Chinese and Chinese motivational techniques seem kind of…terrifying.
Thanks for the shout-out, but I don't agree with your assessment of an average person or the Rihanna non-sequitur.
The problem is not Rihanna or liberal arts degrees. The problem is (1) college costs too much, but even if the cost was somehow brought down, (2) we don't have enough capacity in the colleges, but even if the cost was reasonable and we had the capacity, (3) our public education system is failing to set students up for success in college. All of these issues, at the end of the day, come down to funding and priorities.
As to 1 - US in-state tuition is about 2x the average public college tuition in Canada and Europe, and 4x the average public college tuition in China.
As to 2 - The US has about 15m public college undergrad seats total, which is enough to serve 4.5% of the population. I think we need to increase this to keep up with China.
As to 3 - I don't have hard and fast data for this, but it's concerning that engineering is one of the less popular majors. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=37 Anecdotally, I think the issue is we make it out to be this intimidating thing where only super nerds that got straight As in AP-level math and science can succeed. But that shouldn't be true.
You don't need to know how a pencil is made to be smart. Being a Rihanna fan and being a smart manufacturing engineer are not mutually exclusive.
Except the Roxor is not street legal, and thus must meet none of the safety standards a truck must.
True, I have an engineering degree, know not only how a pencil is made as well as its history, and am a Rihanna fan. The Venn Diagram is not mutually exclusive.