Oops..Samsung just did it again...

[daneoni]

Just like Steve thought my 2G was too old to get 4.0....so you are correct

Thats not as valid an argument as you want it to be. iPhone 2G (and all other iPhones) got two MAJOR versions of iPhone OS updates (and everything in between) i.e. the phone was supported throughout the length of a 24 month contract. Ditto for the 3GS (iOS 4&5).

Majority of Android devices get ONE major update (if its a flagship) and then you have to buy a new phone to get anything more.

 

[KPOM]

So? Apple didnt include all their phones either when they went to 4.0. Probably wont include them all with the next major update. Nexus 1 was released Jan 5th, 2010. Its almost two years old. Same as my 2G when it didnt get the update to 4.0.

The Nexus One was released 7 months after the iPhone 3GS and has a more powerful processor that should be more than enough to run ICS acceptably. Yet the 3GS is still up to date while the Nexus One has been left behind because Google did a bad job of designing it and didn't leave enough space on the main partition (planned obsolescence, perhaps?).

Google has also committed only to supporting future new phones for 18 months, despite the fact that cellular contracts are 2 years long. So while that brand new Galaxy Nexus is getting all the good treatment now, don't expect to install Android "Key Lime Pie" or any other update after May 2013.

 

[iSayuSay]

Just like Steve thought my 2G was too old to get 4.0....so you are correct

Nexus One was a 2010 smartphone, it's not even 2 years yet.

iPhone 3GS was launched at 2009, and still get iOS 5.x.x update for FREE and OFFICIAL (no jailbreak whatsoever).

So .. that's a big difference there for Google, thinking Nexus One is already too old ... and you have to understand Nexus series is Google's pride, a vanilla Android Phone. Yet Google saying it's too friggin old, shame on you Android.

 

[thenerdal]

You could update Android yourself you guys know that, right?

As you can see, someone already put ICS on their Nexus One:

 

[Vegastouch]

I hope your username is due to an affinity and not where you're from, because you're making us Las Vegans look bad.

Really? How so? What have i said that isnt true? Some of you just dont dont want to hear it.

As i said, i would perhaps get another iPhone if i were able to custimize it like i can my Android. iPhone finally got notications but i know just the SMS for example, is not in anyway shape or form as customizable as the one on my Android...and im still using Froyo.
If Apple would go to at least a 4" screen and make it able to make it as customizable as Android does, i would seriously consider getting another one because right now, i do think Android phones are getting a bit too big but their OS is really pretty awesome now and they arent as fragile.

 

[silverblack]

You could update Android yourself you guys know that, right?

Sure, at your own risk and void your warranty. Unlike iOS, it's easier to start fresh and restore to factory (e.g., after jailbreak). I am no expert in rooting and rom flashing. However, I believe factory roms are not always available, and there something about resetting a counter...

 

[Vegastouch]

Nexus One was a 2010 smartphone, it's not even 2 years yet.

iPhone 3GS was launched at 2009, and still get iOS 5.x.x update for FREE and OFFICIAL (no jailbreak whatsoever).

So .. that's a big difference there for Google, thinking Nexus One is already too old ... and you have to understand Nexus series is Google's pride, a vanilla Android Phone. Yet Google saying it's too friggin old, shame on you Android.

<sigh> please read the whole post...it came out on Jan 5th, 2010. In another month and a half, it will be two years old. My 2G was two years and they said it was too old to get 4.0....and i would of had to pay to get 4.0 on my iPod so it still has 3.1...so this FREE your trying to push means nothing. All Android updates are free.

 

[iDuel]

Just like Steve thought my 2G was too old to get 4.0....so you are correct

Do you understand that if Apple would have allowed ios 4 to be installed onto the iPhone 2G the performance would be horrendous?

 

[thenerdal]

Sure, at your own risk and void your warranty. Unlike iOS, it's easier to start fresh and restore to factory (e.g., after jailbreak). I am no expert in rooting and rom flashing. However, I believe factory roms are not always available, and there something about resetting a counter...

I don't believe warranty is voided if you manually update on a Google device. It's when you unlock the boot loader that voids it.

 

[iSayuSay]

You could update Android yourself you guys know that, right?

Of course .. but the question is how easy? Can I just update any Android phone when ICS released?

Oh wait you have to root or something when your Android handset is not officially supported, gotta get your own way, no support .. and do it at your own risk.

So much for being labelled as "Android" smartphone if you just have to wait update/mods for a specific model. Can I use HTC official update for Samsung? I don't know man, they both have Android logo on it, they should work, right?

 

[KPOM]

<sigh> please read the whole post...it came out on Jan 5th, 2010. In another month and a half, it will be two years old. My 2G was two years and they said it was too old to get 4.0....and i would of had to pay to get 4.0 on my iPod so it still has 3.1...so this FREE your trying to push means nothing. All Android updates are free.

Still, it is 7 months newer than the iPhone 3GS, and it is nearly as fast as the Samsung Nexus S, which supposedly will get ICS. Even 2 years later, Nexus One is popular with developers.

This chart says it all.

 

[silverblack]

I don't believe warranty is voided if you manually update on a Google device. It's when you unlock the boot loader that voids it.

Let me put it this way. Android phones sold with contracts often have customized rom branded by the carrier. BTW, This is where the slow updates come in the picture. Say now you install your own, unsupported, rom downloaded somewhere, and your phone stops working...

Don't forget there's no guarantee you can put your phone back to factory condition after the mod.

 

[KPOM]

I don't believe warranty is voided if you manually update on a Google device. It's when you unlock the boot loader that voids it.

But still, I'd have to mod the phone. If we're going to go that far, then why not point out how many of iOS' supposed deficiencies to Android can be taken care of with a simple JB?

The point is that there's a big difference between an official update and an unofficial hack. If Google won't support an older, but still capable device, then why should any other Android manufacturer?

 

[thenerdal]

Of course .. but the question is how easy? Can I just update any Android phone when ICS released?

Oh wait you have to root or something when your Android handset is not officially supported, gotta get your own way, no support .. and do it at your own risk.

So much for being labelled as "Android" smartphone if you just have to wait update/mods for a specific model. Can I use HTC official update for Samsung? I don't know man, they both have Android logo on it, they should work, right?

It's not that hard to update. You just have to follow instructions. If you think that's hard, then you'll mess up.

Not hard at all. Only problem you'll face is bricking your phone and that only happens when you don't follow instructions.

 

[Vegastouch]

Of course .. but the question is how easy? Can I just update any Android phone when ICS released?

Oh wait you have to root or something when your Android handset is not officially supported, gotta get your own way, no support .. and do it at your own risk.

So much for being labelled as "Android" smartphone if you just have to wait update/mods for a specific model. Can I use HTC official update for Samsung? I don't know man, they both have Android logo on it, they should work, right?

Just do a little reading at http://www.xda-developers.com

All the phones have their own section for their specific needs. iPhone is even in there.
It isnt hard to do. Once you download a few things, it takes about a minute if you understand what they are telling you.
I have installed a handful of custom ROMs on my Vibrant and have put it back to stock a few times as well. Probably do it again (back to stock) if i sell it when i get something else.

But still, I'd have to mod the phone. If we're going to go that far, then why not point out how many of iOS' supposed deficiencies to Android can be taken care of with a simple JB?

The point is that there's a big difference between an official update and an unofficial hack. If Google won't support an older, but still capable device, then why should any other Android manufacturer?

All i know is my iPhone was a lot better when it was jailbroken...though still not as good as Android is without jailbreaking. Now many things in Cydia cost money. Which is fine if you want to donate. You can donate to develaopers at XDA too if you want but they dont have a price on their stuff like there is in Cydia.

 

[silverblack]

Just do a little reading at http://www.xda-developers.com

All the phones have their own section for their specific needs. iPhone is even in there.
It isnt hard to do. Once you download a few things, it takes about a minute if you understand what they are telling you.
I have installed a handful of custom ROMs on my Vibrant and have put it back to stock a few times as well. Probably do it again (back to stock) if i sell it when i get something else.



All i know is my iPhone was a lot better when it was jailbroken...though still not as good as Android is without jailbreaking. Now many things in Cydia cost money.

There's not installous equilvant in android. (don't point fingers, I have a 4s)

 

[Vegastouch]

There's not installous equilvant in android. (don't point fingers, I have a 4s)

Dont need installous. You can just go to 4shared.com and type in what app you want..for example, if you want angrybirds (and it wasnt free) you would type in angrybirds.apk in the search and if there are ROMs of it that someone posted (just like in installous) it will be there to download and there you go.

Some of you are not very informed about Android

And BTW...all you have to do is Root your phone to delete that carrier added crap and then unroot after you delete it. Its easy and no it wont hurt your phone. All rooting does if give yourself permission to access your phones files like SSH does...but it is much easier to use.

 

[Apple...]

The next time you're tempted to post something like this, ask yourself, "Is this really necessary? Or am I just going to start more fanboy wars?"

 

[*LTD*]

We had the same convo like two years ago over this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w83UQkiuNZQ

The iPhone went on to sell in record numbers.

Nothing to see here. Just the competition trying to to keep their customers, probably in anticipation of this:

http://business.financialpost.com/2...r-new-record-iphone-sales-in-holiday-quarter/

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20111012PB200.html

But don't take my word for it . . . ask Siri.

 

[silverblack]

Some of you are not very informed about Android

Well thanks for enlightening us. Anyway, let me remind you that Installous is a lot more than running apps (let's leave it at this as I clearly don't support it).

Bedtime, logging off. It was nice chatting with you. Later.

 

[thenerdal]

Well thanks for enlightening us. Anyway, let me remind you that Installous is a lot more than running apps (let's leave it at this as I clearly don't support it).

Bedtime, logging off. It was nice chatting with you. Later.

I think blapkmarket is like Installous.

 

[Vegastouch]

Well thanks for enlightening us. Anyway, let me remind you that Installous is a lot more than running apps (let's leave it at this as I clearly don't support it).

It has been a while since ive even used installous so im sure your right. I dont use my iPhone anymore though i still have it. It is a 2G in pristine condition and still have the box and everything in it. My iPod is now too old to have the most updated stuff in there so i just use it for enjoyment now and dont mess with it like that anymore.

I just dont get the hate. Some guys in here wont hear of anything else being close to being as good even if it is. Both phones are very good. It just depends on what you like. I like custimizations and the freedom to use other things and i hate iTunes and like a bigger screen.

What i really hate is having to sign up for two years for a single phone. Thats too long for a phone and i dont want to psend hundreds for a phone. Cant imagine using two or three like some people do. Just a waste of money.

 

[KPOM]

All i know is my iPhone was a lot better when it was jailbroken...though still not as good as Android is without jailbreaking. Now many things in Cydia cost money. Which is fine if you want to donate. You can donate to develaopers at XDA too if you want but they dont have a price on their stuff like there is in Cydia.

You missed my point entirely. My point is that I don't JB my iPhone and I never rooted my Nexus One or installed an XDA update. Apple has historically kept iPhones current for two years of iOS updates, while apparently Google has decided that 1 year of Android updates is "enough" for its flagship phones.

Anyway, while the Nexus One was fine and I'll keep it around so I can use the Wi-Fi hotspot on T-Mobile, I made the switch to iOS after the iPhone 4S came out since I had started to tire of Android. The stock e-mail client never satisfied me, and the UI is annoyingly inconsistent in places. Android 4.0 apparently fixes a lot of it, but alas, the Nexus One won't get it.

 

[thenerdal]

apparently Google has decided that 1 year of Android updates is "enough" for its flagship phones.

Nexus One was 22 months ago, that's not a year, that's more than a year.

 

[iSayuSay]

You missed my point entirely. My point is that I don't JB my iPhone and I never rooted my Nexus One or installed an XDA update. Apple has historically kept iPhones current for two years of iOS updates, while apparently Google has decided that 1 year of Android updates is "enough" for its flagship phones.

Anyway, while the Nexus One was fine and I'll keep it around so I can use the Wi-Fi hotspot on T-Mobile, I made the switch to iOS after the iPhone 4S came out since I had started to tire of Android. The stock e-mail client never satisfied me, and the UI is annoyingly inconsistent in places. Android 4.0 apparently fixes a lot of it, but alas, the Nexus One won't get it.

Agreed, even Windows is easy to setup/update. I can use Windows 7 DVD on any PC with Windows logo on it (or even post PPC with logo on it ) without hassle. Uh huh you might need drivers for some "legacy" hardwares, but on most cases, it works just out of the box, no patch/mod/ROM flash of any kind. I can use it on HP, Dell, Vaio, Samsung, Acer etc etc.

The fragmentation is too great for Android, and even SOME of you say .. "ahh rooting and flash ROM is piece of cake, anyone can do it in 5 minutes, what's the big deal?" ... you must admit not everyone is tech savvy nor have time/patience to do it.

OTOH .. having a simple "System Update" is easy, just press the button, ah yeah "Update Found" .. download, update, restart .. Finish. That's what you get from an OFFICIAL updates, be it iOS or Android.