I bought a low cost USB hub and have a logitech keyboard and mouse plugged into it. Knivo BTD400 bluetooth works plugged directly into MacPro. I couldn't get Apple A1255 keyboard to work. Apple mouse will connect. Bluetooth speakers work. OCLP patches must be installed for bluetooth. DVD doesn't work. Builtin audio support came back.
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MP 1,1-5,1 OpenCore and the 2008 Mac Pro 3,1
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Thank you for the suggestions. I have an A1314 keyboard which works, as does the A1339 trackpad. The A1255 is the older version with three AA batteries, right? I changed the bluetooth card a number of years ago to the BCM94360CD and so far I haven't noticed any difficulties.
One thing though – must I "Build and install OpenCore" using the OCLP app on the volume I installed Monterey on?
I would have thought that was done as part of the installation process but Mr Macintosh does that at the end of his Youtube guide.
Cheers
Philip
One thing though – must I "Build and install OpenCore" using the OCLP app on the volume I installed Monterey on?
I would have thought that was done as part of the installation process but Mr Macintosh does that at the end of his Youtube guide.
Cheers
Philip
Yes, I believe it is a good idea to "Build and install OpenCore" on the volume where Monterey is installed. Then, OpenCore-Patcher will be installed in the applications folder and you don't have any dependency on the install disk. Set your startup volume to your Monterey volume. Then your system will boot automatically into Monterey. System upgrades will then install without intervention.
I just updated to Sonoma 14.4.1 and everything went smoothly with OCLP 1.4.3.
I just updated to Sonoma 14.4.1 and everything went smoothly with OCLP 1.4.3.
Thank you for explaining that. It sounds like a good idea to do.
Out of curiosity, do you notice any other things which do not function in Sonoma? I read on Dortania of a few things which are shaky as yet. The reason I selected Monterey is that it's a bit older and so hopefully many issues have been identified/ironed out.
Out of curiosity, do you notice any other things which do not function in Sonoma? I read on Dortania of a few things which are shaky as yet. The reason I selected Monterey is that it's a bit older and so hopefully many issues have been identified/ironed out.
I only use MacPro for one application that I can't move to Windows. So, the breadth of my experience is limited.
I had to forget and reconnect wireless network after I updated to 14.4.1.
With GTX 680, there is some video corruption. Reducing resolution sometimes helps. This might be source related. Most youtube videos play okay at 1080p. This is using Firefox.
Mail works fine. All the other apps that I have tried work. I doubt games will work well.
Machine is a bit slow. Stability is good (better than Catalina with dosdude's patcher).
I miss PATA (DVD) support.
I forgot to mention that the OpenCore-Patcher checks for updates and can update to latest version when it is installed on the target system.
I had to forget and reconnect wireless network after I updated to 14.4.1.
With GTX 680, there is some video corruption. Reducing resolution sometimes helps. This might be source related. Most youtube videos play okay at 1080p. This is using Firefox.
Mail works fine. All the other apps that I have tried work. I doubt games will work well.
Machine is a bit slow. Stability is good (better than Catalina with dosdude's patcher).
I miss PATA (DVD) support.
I forgot to mention that the OpenCore-Patcher checks for updates and can update to latest version when it is installed on the target system.
Brilliant, thank you so much for posting back. I will think about it, perhaps I'll try Ventura for fun and make a comparison with Monterey. I'll see how much time I have (never enough is the answer).
Thanks for the advice. I too have a 3,1 with GTX680 using dosdude Catalina. As you know Display port does not work with Catalina. Will the Display port work if I upgrade to Sonoma using OCLP?
Hi everyone.
It's been some time since I last tried to install Big Sur on My MacPro 3,1 using the OpenCore patcher. I was not successful then and I gave up trying and settled on Mojave using dosdude patcher, which has worked great - flawlessly - ever since.
I am at a point where I want to ditch Adobe and move to Affinity, and that requires at least Catalina. But I figured I would attempt another shot at Big Sur. Its been a while and there may have been some updates/improvements/breakthroughs in the last two years so I may have a better time of it.
The issue I ran into was that to have OpenCore work I had to remove my stock video card. I have a non-stock Metal card but it is not flashed so I dont get a boot screen. Without the boot screen I am unable to see the OpenCore patched boot volume. And so I'm stuck in no-go land.
Is there any new magic way of getting around this - short of forking out for a certified Mac flashed Metal card?
Or am I just at the end of the road with this thing?
It's been some time since I last tried to install Big Sur on My MacPro 3,1 using the OpenCore patcher. I was not successful then and I gave up trying and settled on Mojave using dosdude patcher, which has worked great - flawlessly - ever since.
I am at a point where I want to ditch Adobe and move to Affinity, and that requires at least Catalina. But I figured I would attempt another shot at Big Sur. Its been a while and there may have been some updates/improvements/breakthroughs in the last two years so I may have a better time of it.
The issue I ran into was that to have OpenCore work I had to remove my stock video card. I have a non-stock Metal card but it is not flashed so I dont get a boot screen. Without the boot screen I am unable to see the OpenCore patched boot volume. And so I'm stuck in no-go land.
Is there any new magic way of getting around this - short of forking out for a certified Mac flashed Metal card?
Or am I just at the end of the road with this thing?
Hey Ed, coupla questions for ya.Hahaha. Kept PRAM resetting and on the 4th try I got the welcome screen for Monterey.
Very slow response but I’ll take it. Then it reboots and I’m back to where I started. I continue with another PRAM reset and now I’m in to the setup for Monterey.
So I’ve finished the install and now it’s all working perfectly
The GT630 you bought for this install, was it a Mac flashed card, or a bog stock PC one off Ebay?
When you said you reset PRAM 4 times, was this holding the keys down until the chimes rang 4 times? Or going through the whole process, failing, and trying again 4 times?
From my memory of my failed attempts, resetting the PRAM reset the SIP back to on, and I think it needed to be off. So round in circles I went. But its been a while and I want to try again and am always given hope by other success stories.
Cheers
Hi Steve
No I never found a solution. I just gave up and went to dosdude Mojave patch. So easy and flawless in comparison. But its been a while and I'm ready to try again. Maybe.
Did you ever find success?
Thank you so much 1010 this is an incredible write up with so much detail. Gives me hope to try and push through again, especially with all the sequence of installing and removing hardware. So helpful
Can I ask how you built your firmware to accept NVMe cards?
Cheers
The solution is simple. Just install OCLP to disk first off. Then reboot without holding 'Option' key. OpenCore will now provide you a bootscreen to choose the installer. Also, be sure to remove orig bluetooth card. It will cause kernel panics on Big Sur and above. I recommend Monterey. Runs great on the 3,1. (As does Sonoma if you have ample ram, ssd.)
My 3.2gHz 8-core cMP 3,1 with original GPU was running High Sierra with DOSDUDE1 patcher so I created a Big Sur flash drive installer using OCLP v2.1.2 on a MacBook Air 7,2. I want to upgrade the original 8800 GPU to an RX570 and selected the host target machine designator of MacPro3,1. I was then able to create and booted the installer on the cMP to a clean internal SSD. I was then able to boot the cMP into Big Sur w/o metal support. Once the EFI boot partition was made the default startup, I was able to run OCLP on the cMP and updated the build and root on the volume after selecting AMD GOP Injection option before shutting it down. I was able to install the RX570 in the second 16X slot and connected the 8-pin PCIe power via an adapter cable, but the new card would hang just before the progress bar would start moving. Removing the original 8800 GPU and then just using the RX570 booted through to the OCLP boot picker and then then went blank (it wasn't showing the login screen) but I was able to log in blind and the desktop appeared.
The only visible issue was that the menu bar -only- showed the right side icons (time, date, Superdrive eject icon, etc.) but the usual Mac menu selections on the left (Apple icon, Finder, File, Edit, View, etc.) were missing. I was able launch Terminal via Spotlight and initiated a command line reboot. On rebooting, the RX570 now booted to the login screen correctly and got to the desktop, but is still missing the left side menu bar selections. When I used Spotlight to bring up About This Mac and then the System report I was able to confirm that the RX570 is recognized and there is even HDMI Audio listed under Devices (not tested) but internal audio is working. As expected, BT is NA and the original WiFi card seems to have degraded reception which is slightly poorer than it was under High Sierra.
Has anyone experienced a similar loss of menu bar selection text when upgrading their GPU? There is only a single display (the bar doesn't extend to a phantom off-screen monitor) and there are no drop-down selections when clicking where they normally would be. I've tried changing the resolution and the menu selections remain missing regardless of the scaling. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
The only visible issue was that the menu bar -only- showed the right side icons (time, date, Superdrive eject icon, etc.) but the usual Mac menu selections on the left (Apple icon, Finder, File, Edit, View, etc.) were missing. I was able launch Terminal via Spotlight and initiated a command line reboot. On rebooting, the RX570 now booted to the login screen correctly and got to the desktop, but is still missing the left side menu bar selections. When I used Spotlight to bring up About This Mac and then the System report I was able to confirm that the RX570 is recognized and there is even HDMI Audio listed under Devices (not tested) but internal audio is working. As expected, BT is NA and the original WiFi card seems to have degraded reception which is slightly poorer than it was under High Sierra.
Has anyone experienced a similar loss of menu bar selection text when upgrading their GPU? There is only a single display (the bar doesn't extend to a phantom off-screen monitor) and there are no drop-down selections when clicking where they normally would be. I've tried changing the resolution and the menu selections remain missing regardless of the scaling. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
I ran into "menu bar" issues and the detection of only 1 monitor trying to upgrade from
High Sierra to Big Sur. I scrapped that idea and jumped from High Sierra to Monterey using the Mr. Macintosh patcher.
High Sierra to Big Sur. I scrapped that idea and jumped from High Sierra to Monterey using the Mr. Macintosh patcher.
Thanks for the suggestion! I checked out Mr. Macintosh's site and only saw references to using OCLP for upgrades to Monterey, so I decided to go that way and it went okay. It seems like a good interim choice as the cMP 3,1 4-core limitation currently doesn't kick in until Sequoia.
Both the WiFi & BT are now offline, but that's an optional $$ hardware fix as the ethernet ports are okay. The loss of the legacy PATA chain for the Superdrive is unfortunate but also can be dealt with via external $$ hardware. It's nice to be able to keep the older machines limping along, even missing a few less critical components.
Hopefully the amazing OCLP team will continue working on 3,1 fixes for future revisions.
Both the WiFi & BT are now offline, but that's an optional $$ hardware fix as the ethernet ports are okay. The loss of the legacy PATA chain for the Superdrive is unfortunate but also can be dealt with via external $$ hardware. It's nice to be able to keep the older machines limping along, even missing a few less critical components.
Hopefully the amazing OCLP team will continue working on 3,1 fixes for future revisions.
I haven't run into the menu bar issues you mention so I'm afraid I can't help with that. I did switch from an nVidia Quadro, which I had under Dosdude High Sierra, to an Radeon Pro WX5100 in order to be able to install OCLP. The one graphics-related issue I have seen is that on my two Eizos I get a strange screen corruption as the OS is loading rather than have a plain black screen. I realise this isn't helpful but it's the only GPU-related issue I have seen on my cMP3,1.
I switched the wifi/bt card a few years ago and that works very solidly on my machine. It's not an expensive or difficult upgrade, as I recall.
A question about the Superdrive. Mine doesn't work any longer and I'm not sure why. Is it perhaps the loss of the legacy PATA chain you mention? Strangely enough, a few days ago, the Superdrive actually opened when I accidentally held down the keyboard's open button instead of backspace #ghostsinthemachine
cheers
Philip
I switched the wifi/bt card a few years ago and that works very solidly on my machine. It's not an expensive or difficult upgrade, as I recall.
A question about the Superdrive. Mine doesn't work any longer and I'm not sure why. Is it perhaps the loss of the legacy PATA chain you mention? Strangely enough, a few days ago, the Superdrive actually opened when I accidentally held down the keyboard's open button instead of backspace #ghostsinthemachine
cheers
Philip
I was pleasantly surprised that the menu bar issue didn't reappear after I gave up on Big Sur and went directly to Monterey. It went surprisingly smoothly on the RX570 after selecting OCLP's AMD GOP check mark before creating the installer. Now I'm wondering if I can somehow multiboot the SSD to support a second legacy partition of Mavericks that predates APFS...
I believe the 3,1 was the last cMP to use the PATA (aka IDE) ribbon and Amphenol power cable combination for the Superdrives. When I run System Report under Monterey now I don't see anything under ATA or Disc Burning in the Hardware section. If your keyboard eject button worked once then it may have somehow become randomly visible to the OS - mine doesn't respond to either that or clicking the eject icon on the menu bar (which may have been a legacy system pref carried forward when I moved over from High Sierra). There are apparently still some random issues that have been reported - I haven't removed/replaced the legacy BT card (yet?) and so far I haven't been hit with a kernel panic.
I'm using the first hard drive slider bay for my boot SSD and plan on using the other three for a triple-drive soft RAID as I have plenty of leftover SATA hard drives to use for local storage. As the newer cMPs all use SATA optical drives, it may be a viable solution to give up one of those other three drive bay slots to thread an internal SATA extender cable up to a Superdrive bay and use it with a SATA to Amphenol power adapter to use a newer SATA Superdrive (for CD/DVD) or even upgrade to a Blu-ray drive if I decide that I really want an internal optical solution.
Thanks!
-Larry
Internal audio support came back in Sonoma for you?
I have been unable to get this to work in Ventura at all.
Hello Larry
Yes it's the same on my 3,1. Sys Info reports both under ATA and under Disc burning that no such devices are found. It's odd that the keyboard opened the tray but I'll just file that under one of many things I don't understand haha. I have thought about getting a bluray drive but I'm not sure I need it. I might use the superdrive bay for more drives. I have a CalDigit Fasta card which includes two extra internal SATA ports. I would just need to figure out the power situation as I have already used up the logic board's two extra power sockets. I suppose a splitter cable could work, provided the Mac's power envelope isn't exceeded.
About the dual-boot issue, in case it helps. I installed a Dosdude-patched Mojave on a separate volume which shows (or I should say showed, read on) up in the OCLP boot picker. It worked flawlessly, meaning I could pick the Monterey or Mojave drive from Sys Pref on the other installation and reboot. But then one day (as described here) the Mojave option disappeared from the boot picker. As that thread suggests, I have physically removed the Mojave drive and done a PRAM reset but no joy.
I suppose an option would be to try flashing over my daily SuperDuper copies on both drives and see if that cleans away whatever dust has settled on the Mojave boot picker option to obscure it. But that requires time I don't currently have.
People cleverer than I could probably figure out an OCLP + something else dual/multi-boot process as I suspect mine was based on luck. Still it's unfortunate that it's gone because I need Mojave for my film work.
cheers
Philip
Yes it's the same on my 3,1. Sys Info reports both under ATA and under Disc burning that no such devices are found. It's odd that the keyboard opened the tray but I'll just file that under one of many things I don't understand haha. I have thought about getting a bluray drive but I'm not sure I need it. I might use the superdrive bay for more drives. I have a CalDigit Fasta card which includes two extra internal SATA ports. I would just need to figure out the power situation as I have already used up the logic board's two extra power sockets. I suppose a splitter cable could work, provided the Mac's power envelope isn't exceeded.
About the dual-boot issue, in case it helps. I installed a Dosdude-patched Mojave on a separate volume which shows (or I should say showed, read on) up in the OCLP boot picker. It worked flawlessly, meaning I could pick the Monterey or Mojave drive from Sys Pref on the other installation and reboot. But then one day (as described here) the Mojave option disappeared from the boot picker. As that thread suggests, I have physically removed the Mojave drive and done a PRAM reset but no joy.
I suppose an option would be to try flashing over my daily SuperDuper copies on both drives and see if that cleans away whatever dust has settled on the Mojave boot picker option to obscure it. But that requires time I don't currently have.
People cleverer than I could probably figure out an OCLP + something else dual/multi-boot process as I suspect mine was based on luck. Still it's unfortunate that it's gone because I need Mojave for my film work.
cheers
Philip
How is Sonoma running on the cMP 3,1? I'm still happy with Monterey but I'm curious if it there are slow-downs anywhere.
Hi all,
I recently decided to attempt installing Monterey via OCLP. However every time I tried I got different errors. The first time the installation broke, and then after that every time it would start to install to the USB drive, it would be stuck at 0 bytes written. (I should mention I was also using an external usb 2.0 hub for any issues) Any ideas? I really need help here.
I recently decided to attempt installing Monterey via OCLP. However every time I tried I got different errors. The first time the installation broke, and then after that every time it would start to install to the USB drive, it would be stuck at 0 bytes written. (I should mention I was also using an external usb 2.0 hub for any issues) Any ideas? I really need help here.
What do you mean by "the installation broke"?
On the MacPro3,1, OCLP suggests removing the stock bluetooth card to prevent panics.
External USB hub? Is that self-powered (has its own power supply), or is it powered through the USB connection (bus-powered)?
If it is bus-powered, many hubs can be self-powered (plug in an external power supply, probably a "wall-wart" of some kind), and that can be something that you can try. You ARE using an external SSD, and not a spinning hard drive, correct?
On the MacPro3,1, OCLP suggests removing the stock bluetooth card to prevent panics.
External USB hub? Is that self-powered (has its own power supply), or is it powered through the USB connection (bus-powered)?
If it is bus-powered, many hubs can be self-powered (plug in an external power supply, probably a "wall-wart" of some kind), and that can be something that you can try. You ARE using an external SSD, and not a spinning hard drive, correct?
I am using an external usb 3.2 128gb thumb drive. The Usb hub is bus powered, and what I mean by the installation breaking is once the installation finishes, the USB stick refuses to write any bytes. I've tried around 5 or 6 times today.
OK... You said that the installation finishes, so the install wrote several gigabytes to your USB stick.
(I'm trying to understand what you said.)
If the installation finishes, (and it would have rebooted several times to complete the install), it would continue to write more to that system on the stick, yet you say it refuses to write any bytes.
Do you mean that it won't finish the system install, but on first boot, any progress bar does not advance? How long did you wait for something to happen?
(I'm trying to understand what you said.)
If the installation finishes, (and it would have rebooted several times to complete the install), it would continue to write more to that system on the stick, yet you say it refuses to write any bytes.
Do you mean that it won't finish the system install, but on first boot, any progress bar does not advance? How long did you wait for something to happen?
Whenever I create the opencore installer (before anything is written to the USB) everything goes just fine. However as soon as I try to install the patcher onto the USB nothing is being written, and it stays like that.