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Troy2000

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Is there some task that absolutely requires the window to move completely in sync with the cursor when dragging it around otherwise said task will fail? If not I really don't see the problem. I'm trying to but just can't.
It is an annoyance and makes the OS feel more sluggish, which is the last thing we need given the already poor UI performance optimisation of Mavericks and Yosemite. Windows has never had this problem and nor had OS X prior to Mavericks.
 
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RyFP21

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Finished downloading the public beta, it then went through the install process of asking which drive it wants me to install on, but then that's it. MacBook didn't restart, and nothing was installed. Still on OS 10.10.4.

Any tips/advice on how to re-initiate the install process?

My App Store on MacBook just shows that El Capitan is "Downloaded" and is greyed out.

Thanks!
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einsteinbqat

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I don’t know if this was mentioned in the previous 34 pages, but have any of you noticed that if you share your mouse cursor fast enough, the cursor will actually grow in size on the screen?
 

silvetti

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Finished downloading the public beta, it then went through the install process of asking which drive it wants me to install on, but then that's it. MacBook didn't restart, and nothing was installed. Still on OS 10.10.4.

Any tips/advice on how to re-initiate the install process?

My App Store on MacBook just shows that El Capitan is "Downloaded" and is greyed out.

Thanks! View attachment 568536

Did you look in the Applications for El Capitan install application? You can run it from there again and check if it will install.
 
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n-evo

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It is an annoyance and makes the OS feel more sluggish, which is the last thing we need given the already poor UI performance optimisation of Mavericks and Yosemite. Windows has never had this problem and nor had OS X prior to Mavericks.
Windows has tons of interface issues of its own. After all these years I'm still being confronted with flashing screens and a compositing window manager that feels like it could give out at any given second. I'll take slightly delayed window dragging over that any time.
 
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nextstop

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When I open a pinned tab in Safari it gives me the last cached website, not the actual updated one.
Is it just me??
 

Troy2000

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Windows has tons of interface issues of its own. After all these years I'm still being confronted with flashing screens and a compositing window manager that feels like it could give out at any given second. I'll take slightly relayed window dragging over that any time.
I use both platforms on a daily basis and have experienced far more UI issues under recent versions of OS X than any version of Windows that I can recall.

A trend that I have noticed is that OS X seems more prone to issues with fundamental components of the UI than Windows, which tends to suffer from more subtle problems. While I have certainly experienced GPU driver issues under Windows, I have never had to contend with the cursor randomly jumping from one location to another or disappearing, mouse input latency (which can be remedied with SmoothMouse), window dragging delays or stuttering.

It has been my experience that the most recent versions of OS X are far less stable in general than the most recent versions of Windows and given that I really enjoy using OS X, that's been quite disheartening to see.

Snow Leopard, where art thou. :c
 
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n-evo

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I use both platforms on a daily basis and have experienced far more UI issues under recent versions of OS X than any version of Windows that I can recall.

A trend that I have noticed is that OS X seems more prone to issues with fundamental components of the UI than Windows, which tends to suffer from more subtle problems. While I have certainly experienced GPU driver issues under Windows, I have never had to contend with the cursor randomly jumping from one location to another or disappearing, mouse input latency (which can be remedied with SmoothMouse), window dragging delays or stuttering.

It has been my experience that the most recent versions of OS X are far less stable in general than the most recent versions of Windows and given that I really enjoy using OS X, that's been quite disheartening to see.

Snow Leopard, where art thou. :c
My experience with Windows is the exact opposite. Personally I feel Mac OS X Snow Leopard's being glorified to a degree that's just irrational and has no connection whatsoever to what it was really like. Much like how Windows XP is being put up on a pedestal compared to Windows Vista, 7 and 8. Mac OS X Panther to OS X Yosemite have all been rock solid in my experience and I've never had any major issues that were software related.
 

Troy2000

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My experience with Windows is the exact opposite. Personally I feel Mac OS X Snow Leopard's being glorified to a degree that's just irrational and has no connection whatsoever to what it was really like. Much like how Windows XP is being put up on a pedestal compared to Windows Vista, 7 and 8. Mac OS X Panther to OS X Yosemite have all been rock solid in my experience and I've never had any major issues that were software related.
With regard to Snow Leopard, that well be the case in some instances but I still run Snow Leopard on my Mac Pro and if it weren't for the lack of software and driver compatibility, it would still be my primary OS.

In my use case, the only genuinely useful feature introduced beyond 10.6 was the ability to resize windows from any edge. I found everything else (Launchpad and Notification Centre in particular) to simply be unnecessary bloat which slowed down the OS and introduced a myriad of bugs, many of which remain unfixed to this day.
 

S.B.G

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Much like how Windows XP is being put up on a pedestal
I work in an IT environment on the Windows side of the world and of all the IT professionals I know, no one is claiming XP to be better than the subsequent releases, with the possible exception of Vista.

I found Snow Leopard to be very quick and stable. But I can say, from personal experience, that I felt the same about every OS X version from Tiger on forward. The only thing I really miss from Snow Leopard is the way it handled Spaces and Expose.
 

koyoot

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Like I have written on Mac Pro thread, one of the most strange things in El Cap is... well lets start from beginning.

Yosemite changed a bit how MBP worked. On Yosemite my dGPU started to fail even while using Safari. I could browse the web, when computer started to be unresponsive and restart after few seconds. At the restart there was an error log with notice of unexpected error, and later checking the logs shown that it was dGPU related. It could happen while browsing the web, it could happen after gaming, and getting to browse the web again, it could happen after shutting VLC down and getting to browsing again, basically nothing serious, and yet...

In El Cap, no matter what I do, no matter what I throw at computer(Macbook Pro mid 2012 with i7 2.3 GHz and GeForce GT650M) it works perfectly. No errors, no hang-ups, sometimes beach-balling while browsing the web but its not related to graphics problems.

I have to say, El Cap is really breath of fresh air for any computer.
 

SaigoNoSamurai

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If I set a slide show of my desktop, and add new desktop space, it will be assigned with another desktop in the slide show collection.

In fact what I see is when I open a new window, by default it should display...

Uh, safari in this beta El Capitan sets yahoo as the default homepage?

I just noticed too, both chrome and safari now has yahoo as homepage?!? how to reset this back? just manually change the homepage or is there a setting in system preferences?
 

Shirasaki

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I just noticed too, both chrome and safari now has yahoo as homepage?!? how to reset this back? just manually change the homepage or is there a setting in system preferences?
It looks like a simple custom home page setting could fix this.

What I wonder more, is why they push yahoo as a default homepage for their browser.
 

Shirasaki

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it's pretty simple.. getting away from google as much as possible... even i'm trying to use duckduckgo more compared to google..
Well, if Apple maps is powerful enough to persuade me changing map app. And none of those companies in the world are kind enough.
 

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From the various sneak peeks I've seen of El Capitan, all I can say it looks considerably better than W10. Apple have really outdone themselves!
 
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n-evo

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I work in an IT environment on the Windows side of the world and of all the IT professionals I know, no one is claiming XP to be better than the subsequent releases, with the possible exception of Vista.
I obviously wasn't talking about IT guys who actually know their stuff. Regardless, you still see a lot of people on forums talk about Windows XP like it's the Second Coming.

I found Snow Leopard to be very quick and stable. But I can say, from personal experience, that I felt the same about every OS X version from Tiger on forward. The only thing I really miss from Snow Leopard is the way it handled Spaces and Expose.
Wasn't Mac OS X Snow Leopard the only OS X release where Exposé would neatly arrange windows on rows and resize them to similar sizes instead of putting them all over the place? That's what I miss. Beyond that I can't really think of a single thing.
 

hamis92

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Wasn't Mac OS X Snow Leopard the only OS X release where Exposé would neatly arrange windows on rows and resize them to similar sizes instead of putting them all over the place? That's what I miss. Beyond that I can't really think of a single thing.
Yep. I used to hate that. Making the largest windows the same size as the smallest windows on screen meant that one could not use their relative sizes to distinguish between them. There was a simple hack I discovered that made it possible to use a pre-release version of Exposé that still used relative sizing.

This is one of the things I love about El Capitan – Mission Control is now very close to the original Exposé as introduced in Mac OS X Panther. You can once again see the title of the window by hovering over it; a feature I've missed since Mountain Lion when Apple added the option to disable grouping by application.
 
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