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mikas

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they have likely now 4 per memory store (TLC => MLC)
That would be from TLC to QLC nowadays I think.

SLC = Single Level Cell
MLC = Multi Level Cell (it's actually always two for Multi, but for historical reasons it's not called Dual Level Cell)
TLC = Tri Level Cell (currently the most common still I think, but moving to QLC it seams)
QLC = Quad Level Cell
PLC = Penta Level Cell (not for consumers at the moment)
 

Melbourne Park

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That would be from TLC to QLC nowadays I think.

SLC = Single Level Cell
MLC = Multi Level Cell (it's actually always two for Multi, but for historical reasons it's not called Dual Level Cell)
TLC = Tri Level Cell (currently the most common still I think, but moving to QLC it seams)
QLC = Quad Level Cell
PLC = Penta Level Cell (not for consumers at the moment)
Sonnet's list of NVME m.2 blades suitable for their cards often has blanks for the "level" of the NAND, and only lists one processor as having MLC - the Samsung 980. Their list doesn't enter a value for the 980 Pro. But Samsung describe the 980 in their Spec sheet as having "V-NAND 3-BIT MLC". The same memory for the 980 Pro. The 980 is PCIe Gen-3 rather than the Pro's Gen-4. The 980 also lacks cache (it uses I think system cache). So Samsung now call their new gen 3 level, MLC., but they now regard MLC as 3 level IMO.

I sure get confused by the various claims ... and then their is the "3-D" layering greater density talk. I haven't seen anything on temperature control, only claims about management software. I presume the greater the number of processes going on per Gb - more on a PLC than a MLC - then the hotter the blade would be - but then their are other factors.

I'm tempted to get two 2TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus blades because they are relatively cheap at the moment, and also importantly I can get them straight away. Also, I can pick them up myself and check the actual processor by looking at an actual blade. I am unsure if the 2 TB blades were changed by Samsung, after they changed the 1 TB 970 Evo Plus blade. I presume they did change the 2 TB was well. My preferred alternatives are not available in Australia for reasonable prices. If I have heat problems I figure I'll have time to get cooler blades and I won't loose a lot when selling nearly new Samsung blades.

The issue though, is that Samsung changed the controller on the 970 Evo Plus last year, and also they changed the NAND. I presume cheaper NAND will run hotter. I'm also unsure if the latest controller will have conflicts with Mac OS. One never knows ...

There are lots of articles on what Samsung did (and what Western Digital did to the Blue 550 and other makers as well). But here is a bit of one article on the issue, which mentions part number and controller names (from Phoenix to Elpis & to "6th Generation NAND"

https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/28/samsung_storage_components/ In a video posted to the channel YouTube channel 潮 玩 客 ("Trendy Player"), Chinese video blogger Jian Ge recently compared two versions of the product – one from April labelled with part number MZVLB1T0HBLR and another from June labelled MZVL21T0HBLU – and found the performance characteristics have changed, some for the better and some for the worse.

To judge by the performance figures Samsung cites in its spec sheets, nothing has changed. But that's not necessarily the case for specific operations.

German tech publication Computerbase.de says that the major difference is the continuous writing performance with the HD Tune Pro software. It reports that the old version (Phoenix controller) starts with a write speed of about 1,750 MB/s and drops to about 1,500 MB/s after about 40 GB of data.

The new version (Elpis controller), it's said, starts at about 2,500 MB/s and maintains this until writing about 115 GB of data, after which performance falls to 800 MB/s. From this author Michael Günsch concludes the newer NAND packages have fewer memory chips but higher storage capacity.

In a statement emailed to The Register, a Samsung spokesperson attributed the SSD reformulation to the ongoing semiconductor shortage and said the company has updated its website to make the product changes more evident.

"In order to continue offering the Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD to consumers during supply constraints, Samsung changed the controller and upgraded to the sixth-generation V-NAND," a company spokesperson said. "To be transparent with consumers, we updated information on Samsung.com."
 
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Fastsavage

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There are lots of articles on what Samsung did (and what Western Digital did to the Blue 550 and other makers as well). But here is a bit of one article on the issue, which mentions part number and controller names (from Phoenix to Elpis & to "6th Generation NAND"
Samsung.com still show the 970 Evo Plus 2Tb as having a Phoenix controller

The Elpis Controller is for the 980 Pro
 

Melbourne Park

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Samsung.com still show the 970 Evo Plus 2Tb as having a Phoenix controller

The Elpis Controller is for the 980 Pro

Firstly you can check which one that one has. Look at the linked articles. Also the model numbers are slightly different. MZVLB1T0HBLR becomes MZVL21T0HBLU. Also the changes mightn't effect one's performance - that depends on usage. It's annoying though because articles were saying buy Samsung because they make their stuff and they won't change it unless they change the model number - but then Samsung did change their blade similar to other makers who were all heavily criticised for changing performance while selling the same named blades.

Samsung used to specify the Phoenix controller for the 970 Ultra Plus - now they are saying "Samsung in-house Controller".
Compare Data version 2: Version 2 - 970 Evo Plus Data - 970 Evo Plus Data to Version 3: Version 3 - 970 Evo Plus Data

The latest description avoids specifying the actual controller. But one can view it by looking at the actual blade.

There are several pictures on the Net of the 1 TB Evo Plus using the Elpis controller. You can look at the actual blade, and the name of the controller is printed on the square controller unit that sticks out on the blade. One says Phoenix and evidently the newer ones may say Elpis. This site shows pictures of both controllers:
Techspot: "Samsung is swapping parts in their 970 Evo Plus SSDs and sabotaging performance"
Part of their article:
The ‘new’ 970 Evo Plus was first tested by a Chinese YouTube channel (whose video on the topic does have English subtitles, if you want to watch). It’s unclear if the new model is exclusive to China or Asia, or if it’s being distributed globally.

Its only distinguishing feature is a controller branded Elpis, instead of Phoenix. The drives look otherwise close to identical, and they’re labeled the exact same -- 970 Evo Plus 1TB -- with only a small difference in part number denoting the drives as ‘technically’ different: MZVLB1T0HBLR becomes MZVL21T0HBLU on the sticker atop the drive.

I had downloaded all the data descriptions of the Samsung blades - you can use the links I provided earlier in this post. I viewed the data information trying to understand temperature issues. But the data description from version 2 of the Samsung 970 Evo Plus is different in its data claims from the Version 3 data description. The printed difference is that there are no claims for data movement performance on the Version 3 data description. So this statement from version 2 is missing:
Version 2: The sequential write performances for the portion of data exceeding over Intelligent TurboWrite buffer size are: 400 MB/s for 250GB, 900 MB/s for 500GB, 1700 MB/s for 1TB and 1750 MB/s for 2TB. The random write performances for the portion of data exceeding over Intelligent TurboWrite buffer size (tested with QD 32 Thread 4) are: 100,000 IOPS for 250GB, 200,000 IOPS for 500GB, 400,000 IOPS for 1TB and 420,000 IOPS for 2TB.
Version 3 is quite different:

Version 3: Sequential and random write performance was measured with Intelligent TurboWrite technology being activated. Intelligent TurboWrite operates only within a specific data transfer size.

Samsung says thereby that data size effects performance. People found - all across the net - that with large files, the transfer rate was initially super quick at 2500 MB/s, and then slowed right down to 800 MB/s with recent 970 Ultra Plus blades. Samsung increased the cache size a lot, to 145MB I think? (I did not read that spec from the data). But Samsung also changed the memory - NAND - type as well. For large files, an extra layer of memory slows the memory down. So when the cache runs out, then the file transfer slows down. The blade also takes a very long time to recover its cache, compared to previously. The earlier blades would transfer at a typical 1450 MB/S, but that transfer rate was fairly constantly - they had much less cache.

Western Digital did the same thing with the blue 550 blade; so did Adata with their SX8200. Who knows what other manufacturers have changed their specs?

Testers on the latest 970 Ultra Plus blades say that the blade is now faster for most users. But not for large data transfer.

I have now on order from B&H two 2 TB Western Digital SN750 blades. They are difficult to get in Australia and cost here in Oz is over $Au410 each - $US310 - including our 10% sales tax. So here in Australia, people would be buying the Samsung 970 Evo Plus units at the moment, unless they want PCIe type 4 blades. I have used D&H for camera gear before and I have found D&H very good to deal with. But warranty and resale will be poor due to not buying in Australia.

My concern has been hot running blades, compatibility, price and having rapid supply. My concern about hot running is due to the reputation of the Highpoint fan cooled SSD7101A-1 RAID card. Evidently earlier cards were the main culprits, but also HighPoint fan types are reported to vary, some being noisier than others. However users say its easy and cheap to swap out to a better fan if one's copped a noisy and less efficient cooling fan.

I think that the recent - after June July Samsung Ultra Plus cards - would have mostly performed better for me in general performance tasks. But I just don't know. But the WD units do run cooler, and they are slower too. Probably slower again now in general tasks due to the recent 970 Ultra Plus changes. For large files constantly being moved though, the latest Evo Plus are not as quick as they were. Nor the Blue WD 550s (Edit: note the WD Blue 550 has been shown to not be reliably Mac compatible). . Or the Adata SX8200s. And who knows what other blades have had performance changes due to changing the level of their NAND?

If I could have bought from Australian stock the Hynix P35 2TB, at $Au440 inc tax each, would that have been a better decision for me? An extra $Au200 all up? Probably I'd have been better off: Due to local warranty, they run cool, they're Pro speed, pro quality and they'd have had high resale. But they weren't available. And I'm not a Pro.

We have a saying in Australia - "there is no such thing as a free lunch".
 
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Fastsavage

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Firstly you can check which one that one has. Look at the linked articles. Also the model numbers are slightly different. MZVLB1T0HBLR becomes MZVL21T0HBLU. Also the changes mightn't effect one's performance - that depends on usage. It's annoying though because articles were saying buy Samsung because they make their stuff and they won't change it unless they change the model number - but then Samsung did change their blade similar to other makers who were all heavily criticised for changing performance while selling the same named blades.

Samsung used to specify the Phoenix controller for the 970 Ultra Plus - now for they are saying "Samsung in-house Controller".
Compare Data version 2: Version 2 - 970 Evo Plus Data - 970 Evo Plus Data to Version 3: Version 3 - 970 Evo Plus Data

The latest description avoids specifying the actual controller. But one can view it by looking at the actual blade.
The internet can be a confusing place.....

This is Samsung.com website and it still shows 970 Evo Plus with Pheonix Controller....


and this 980 Pro with the Elpis controller


HOWEVER, you are right all the other 980's and In-House Controller. Looks like it depends on with PCIe version is supported

We'll see what mine is when I get it...
I have now on order from B&H two 2 TB Western Digital SN750 blades. They are difficult to get in Australia and cost here in Oz is over $Au410 each - $US310 - including our 10% sales tax. So here in Australia, people would be buying the Samsung 970 Evo Plus units at the moment, unless they want PCIe type 4 blades. I have used D&H for camera gear before and I have found D&H very good to deal with. But warranty and resale will be poor due to not buying in Australia.
Good on you
We have a saying in Australia - "there is no such thing as a free lunch".

Hey - that's a Kiwi saying. Another thing you Aussies stole from us.... ?
 

Melbourne Park

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The internet can be a confusing place.....

This is Samsung.com website and it still shows 970 Evo Plus with Pheonix Controller....
Firstly - very funny!! One of my forebears came to Oz from NZ, way way way back ...

I presume that if the blade has the Phoenix controller, then the processor would process similar memory to the initial blades. I don't know that though. And the NZ description doesn't include the large data file performance that the initial blades published. But perhaps the NZ data information never did that.

But I think what has happened is that NZ is using the world data marketing information, the same as Australia is using. But for NZ, you are getting the previous blades. Unlike Australia. And who knows - there is much evidence that its a lottery which blade one might get. Whether Samsung are making different constructions at the same time, or selling older blades to for instance the Kiwis - who knows?

Perhaps for Australia, its a lottery. For NZ, it seems you will be getting the Phoenix.

Look at these two pictures - one from the NZ description pages, and one from the Australian one, which is almost identical.

But the name of the processor for Australia is not mentioned, and the picture has greyed out the processor's name for Australia (and it appears much of the rest of the world).

New Zealand Samsung Pic of processor:

NZ - 970 Evo Plus NVMe processor Pic.jpg


Australian Samsung Pic of processor:

Australian 970 Evo Plus 2tb Processor.jpg



So I have to ask, as with the America's Cup - are you guys cheating? Or just applying the rules better???
 
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Fastsavage

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Firstly - very funny!! One of my forebears came to Oz from NZ, way way way back ...

I presume that if the blade has the Phoenix controller, then the processor would process similar memory to the initial blades. I don't know that though. And the NZ description doesn't include the large data file performance that the initial blades published. But perhaps the NZ data information never did that.

But I think what has happened is that NZ is using the world data marketing information, the same as Australia is using. But for NZ, you are getting the previous blades. Unlike Australia. And who knows - there is much evidence that its a lottery which blade one might get. Whether Samsung are making different constructions at the same time, or selling older blades to for instance the Kiwis - who knows?

Perhaps for Australia, its a lottery. For NZ, it seems you will be getting the Phoenix.

Just to throw a spanner in the works - I bought mine from Amazon so shipping from GRAND RAPIDS, MI - USA so is probably In-House controller


So I have to ask, as with the America's Cup - are you guys cheating? Or just applying the rules better???
Isn't it always about applying the rules - especially with America's Cup, the holder gets to make up the rules as they go.....
 
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TECK

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I only spend 50,- to get a massive speed improvement . more than sufficient for 95% of the applications.
What I'm saying is this: I would not spend $50 on Kryo but rather spend $180 on a Syba because I get much better speeds and also the opportunity to have 2 nVME blades within 1 PCIe16 slot. The extra $130 is worth, skip a lunch with your girlfriend. To have the same setup, you will need 2 PCIe slots used (instead of one) and the significant speed loss.

I originally purchased the Kryo and I regretted it soon after, when I wanted to have 2 nVME blades (one for Windows and one for Mac).
 

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What I'm saying is this: I would not spend $50 on Kryo but rather spend $180 on a Syba because I get much better speeds and also the opportunity to have 2 nVME blades within 1 PCIe16 slot.
Looks like you didnt read my post.
I could write the exact same again, but dont see any point in it.
However, I've got a spare minute , so to be a bit clearer:

I do have a Syba in one of my cMP for specific tasks where I need the max I/O speed of the blades.
I also installed a couple of KRYOs in other cMPs and I'm very satisfied with the far more than sufficient I/O speed.

Fair enough, you got a point about the 2 blades in 1 slot adavantage.
nevertheless, this whole discussion was about whether a single adapter card vs bifurcation card speed difference is noticeable thus worth the investment in real life ( hense your description of a crippled NVMe connection).
The extra $130 is worth, skip a lunch with your girlfriend.
What is worth something is subjective.
No, I'm not going to skip a lunch with my girlfriend , because it's not worth it ; )
I originally purchased the Kryo and I regretted it soon after, when I wanted to have 2 nVME blades (one for Windows and one for Mac).
I understand, but what is good/necessary/whatever for you doesnt have to be the same for somebody else.

One last thing: a point that matters to me is noise.
The KRYO is passively cooled and the SYBA is noisy (to me).
To solve that issue I converted the SYBA to a passively cooled card.
 

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What I'm saying is this: I would not spend $50 on Kryo but rather spend $180 on a Syba because I get much better speeds and also the opportunity to have 2 nVME blades within 1 PCIe16 slot. The extra $130 is worth, skip a lunch with your girlfriend. To have the same setup, you will need 2 PCIe slots used (instead of one) and the significant speed loss.

I originally purchased the Kryo and I regretted it soon after, when I wanted to have 2 nVME blades (one for Windows and one for Mac).
@TECK I hear your point - but for me, what I bought is going to do just fine, if not well, I'll just have to look at another option.

Thanks for your thoughts, oh and I rather not skip lunch with my girlfriend either.... :)
 
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Just a quick report on the HighPoint SSD7101A-1. I paid for it on January 3rd and received it on the 5th of Jan, via Amazon Australia, Prime.

I ordered from B&H two 2 TB SN 750 m.2's made by Western Digital. I paid after all costs, $Au330 each. I could have bought locally Samsung 970 Evo Plus for $Au299 each, but I was worried about heat issues, and I thought the memory configuration had not been changed in the cards, as some other NVME m.2 cards increasingly are having such changes made to them. I could not buy the SN750s in Australia. With B&H, I have no local warranty, unless I pay about 5% more I think, and only for 2 years ... or three for I think 7.5% more ... I'd have to check. And now, the SN 750s have come up for sale via Amazon for $Au300 each. But delivery would be February. I needed the drives quickly due to my concern about a DOE card, or something going wrong.

The first problem I had was the software did not seem to install. Although I had the drives both in the card, I had not formatted them. So I formatted them with Apple Disk utility into a RAID zero in APFS format. Then the software installed.

However, under system information, there are no extensions loaded in the software report. Perhaps because I am currently using the Apple RAID. My 5,1 is still running the original 2.4 Mhz processors too ... I will upgrade those soon.

Good news though - the software from Highpoint does see the card, and does control the fan speed. Also, when testing for performance, the fan increased in speed. So despite setting the fans at medium (which adds marginally to my Mac's normal fan noise) the RAId card fan did increase in speed when testing the m.2 drive cards. I've yet to test setting the fan on low, and seeing if the fan increases in speed.

I wish I knew how - or if - the Highpoint software can use Celsius rather than Farenheit. I've lost touch with F degrees and I can't even spell it anymore ... I suspect the Highpoint software is the only way to observe the temperature of the blades ... ?

So I'm quite happy. I'm not sure if its worthwhile or not to put the OS onto a third m.2 card (I have two slots spare)?

One concern for me was that the thermal pads did not have a non sticky protective coating. The pads were grey too, not blue (the manual described them differently). So I could not remove a protective coating from the thermal pads, since there wasn't one either pad (a large one for the m.2 cards and a small one over the processor), and they were sticky to touch. Also the card had a slight raise in it above the cards position - the whole card was not completely flat or straight after I put the blades in and re-attached the cover. I took the cover off but the cards were horizontal and properly attached. I hope that the thermal pad will flatten after use?

I've been looking for a poster here for a good deal on these Highpoint RAID cards - but I've still not seen another one discounted. Strange really - there have been no further sold by Amazon Australia it seems to me, and I've been checking two times a day. But they continue with the full retail price.

Oh the speed test I did showed 3,455 and 4,005 which seemed terrific to me. I presume when I change the processors things could quicker too.
 
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Just a quick report on the HighPoint SSD7101A-1. I paid for it on January 3rd and received it on the 5th of Jan, via Amazon Australia, Prime.

I ordered from B&H two 2 TB SN 750 m.2's made by Western Digital. I paid after all costs, $Au330 each. I could have bought locally Samsung 970 Evo Plus for $Au299 each, but I was worried about heat issues, and I thought the memory configuration had not been changed in the cards, as some other NVME m.2 cards increasingly are having such changes made to them. I could not buy the SN750s in Australia. With B&H, I have no local warranty, unless I pay about 5% more I think, and only for 2 years ... or three for I think 7.5% more ... I'd have to check. And now, the SN 750s have come up for sale via Amazon for $Au300 each. But delivery would be February. I needed the drives quickly due to my concern about a DOE card, or something going wrong.

The first problem I had was the software did not seem to install. Although I had the drives both in the card, I had not formatted them. So I formatted them with Apple Disk utility into a RAID zero in APFS format. Then the software installed.

However, under system information, there are no extensions loaded in the software report. Perhaps because I am currently using the Apple RAID. My 5,1 is still running the original 2.4 Mhz processors too ... I will upgrade those soon.

Good news though - the software from Highpoint does see the card, and does control the fan speed. Also, when testing for performance, the fan increased in speed. So despite setting the fans at medium (which adds marginally to my Mac's normal fan noise) the RAId card fan did increase in speed when testing the m.2 drive cards. I've yet to test setting the fan on low, and seeing if the fan increases in speed.

I wish I knew how - or if - the Highpoint software can use Celsius rather than Farenheit. I've lost touch with F degrees and I can't even spell it anymore ... I suspect the Highpoint software is the only way to observe the temperature of the blades ... ?

So I'm quite happy. I'm not sure if its worthwhile or not to put the OS onto a third m.2 card (I have two slots spare)?

One concern for me was that the thermal pads did not have a non sticky protective coating. The pads were grey too, not blue (the manual described them differently). So I could not remove a protective coating from the thermal pads, since there wasn't one either pad (a large one for the m.2 cards and a small one over the processor), and they were sticky to touch. Also the card had a slight raise in it above the cards position - the whole card was not completely flat or straight after I put the blades in and re-attached the cover. I took the cover off but the cards were horizontal and properly attached. I hope that the thermal pad will flatten after use?

I've been looking for a poster here for a good deal on these Highpoint RAID cards - but I've still not seen another one discounted. Strange really - there have been no further sold by Amazon Australia it seems to me, and I've been checking two times a day. But they continue with the full retail price.

Oh the speed test I did showed 3,455 and 4,005 which seemed terrific to me. I presume when I change the processors things could quicker too.
Ludicrous Speed!
 

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Evidently there is a "game speed" for the WD SN750s as well. However there is no Mac OS software to enable that. WD say the fastest version though is the 1 TB. I'd like to avoid the "game mode" in order to reduce heat, and since it has to be enable, then I presume they would run standard on a standard mode in Mac OS. Although the fan is not bothering me and right now the 5,1 is less than one foot from my ear ... the front / exhaust end of the 5,1. The reason for that is primarily because I am using a very old Mac keyboard, which has a very short USB cable. I now will get a USB extension cable and then put the desktop on the floor. End of concern for sound issues when I do that ...

WD also lists the life of the drives - they list the 2 TB as having a life of 1,200 TBW for the 2 TB, and 2,400 for the 4 TB. I recall the earlier Pro Samsungs having such TBW ratings, but it seems to me makers are now adopting insurance style philosophies over these drives. Driven by changes to drive construction and marketing requirements, IMO.
 
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Melbourne Park

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Just reporting on the WD SN 750 drives I bought from B&H. They told me I had no local warranty, but could buy an insurance policy. they also said I could return the drives, although the local Australian taxes they paid would have to be obtained by myself (we have a 10% goods and services tax).

So I contacted Western Digital, and queried my warranty issues. They said I was covered for 5 years, but if a drive failed, I'd have to ship it to them in the USA. But that they would replace the drive by sending it to their Australian warehouse. So I do have some warranty, which is good news.

SSD NVME M.2 2TB blades seem difficult and costly to buy in Australia. But the Hynix alternatives I liked, would have cost me $Au200 extra for both (about $US150), and they'd have also been from overseas - the 2TB are not available here, and only 1 retailer handles them, plus Amazon. The best value 2TB blades in Australia are the Samsung 970 Evo Plus drives, although they are not as good for my needs as the original versions were.
 
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Is it worthwhile booting from a non raided slot in the Highpoint SSD 7101A-1? I think one achieves that by cloning from a current boot drive to a single non raided NVME card/drive on the HighPoint ... I am unsure of the benefits of doing so. I think that doing so results in a slower boot time but that it performs much quicker.
 

andysa1966

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Sorry if this question has been asked before, I'm lookung to upgrade from dual boot Mojave and W10 MP 5,1 currently on two seperate SSD in the SATA II bays, to a faster but not costly PCIE solution. Ive been reading this thread.

Am I correct that I could use two KryoM.2 with 970 EVO for example, one for MAC OS the other W10 and be able to boot from either?

After further reading i discovered W10 UEFI is not compatable with PCIE nvme on the cMP, also not a good idea to have two KryoM.2 anyways, something to do with being dumb cards.

I have gone down the road of one KryoM.2 and a samsung 970 evo plus to install mac os, currently have Mojave on sataii ssd, looking at OC options for newer OS for the M.2.

That leaves W10 also currently on sataii ssd, can I do an install of W10pro onto a 2 ssd drive raid 0 on the internal sataii to get a speed bump?


This is a hobby machine, not too worried about failures, but I do intend to backups to spinning drives.

I intend to keep the two current ssd with Mojave and W10 just in any case.
 

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After further reading i discovered W10 UEFI is not compatable with PCIE nvme on the cMP, also not a good idea to have two KryoM.2 anyways, something to do with being dumb cards.
I wasn't aware it wasn't a good idea to have two dumb PCIe cards? :confused:

Must remember to let my 5,1 know as I have two Sabrents with Samsung 970 blades in Slots 3 & 4 one running High Sierra and the other Mojave with no issues...;)

-=Glyn=-
 

andysa1966

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I wasn't aware it wasn't a good idea to have two dumb PCIe cards? :confused:

Must remember to let my 5,1 know as I have two Sabrents with Samsung 970 blades in Slots 3 & 4 one running High Sierra and the other Mojave with no issues...;)

-=Glyn=-

IDK, didn't say it wouldn't work, I just picked up on it here

 

KeesMacPro

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IDK, didn't say it wouldn't work, I just picked up on it here
Sorry, but the thread you're referring to is from 2018....

There's no problem at all to install 2x a dumb card with ( latest) BootROM 144.0.0.0.0
The only thing is that PCIe slot 3 and 4 share lanes , so performance can be less than expected when the cards are installed in slot 3 and 4.
So e.g. slot 2 and 3 would be better .
After further reading i discovered W10 UEFI is not compatable with PCIE nvme on the cMP
AFAIK you're wrongly informed.

A Windows 10 UEFI install does support NVMe boot on the MP (but you may have to enable it in BIOS).
 
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