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This is in 16x #2 slot. I'm going to switch it to 4


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This is the 4th slot.
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Leaving slot 2 and 3 empty. So nothing is sharing. vii is slot 1. I just moved the nvme from 2 to 4.


Edit: Anywho, I'm switching it back to the 16x slot for the time being until something makes sense as why link speed is negotiated at 2.5 GT/s. I hate to take up the 16x slot; If anyone see's anything let me know and hopefully I don't have to solder anything. Thanks for the help.
 
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tsialex

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This is in 16x #2 slot. I'm going to switch it to 4 and post another pic.

Also,I had boot rom 144. Looks like it changed after installing open core.
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This is the 4th slot.
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Leaving slot 2 and 3 empty. So nothing is sharing. vii is slot 1. I just moved the nvme from 2 to 4.


Edit: aaarrrgggg
I just did Pram reset to see if it would help negotiated speed and it removed open core. Any keystroke at boot to get back in or do I have to disable sip and bless it all over again?

well blessed it again anyway- was just seeing if there was a shortcut. Anywho, I'm switching it back to the 16x slot for the time being until something makes sense as why link speed is negotiated at 2.5 GT/s. I hate to take up the 16x slot; If anyone see's anything let me know and hopefully I don't have to solder anything. Thanks for the help.
There are previous reports of Samsung 980 blades not working correctly with a MacPro5,1 without a PCIe v3.0 switched adapter. I recall someone writing about this exact issue before, you confirmed it.
 

macaddress

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There are previous reports of Samsung 980 blades not working correctly with a MacPro5,1 without a PCIe v3.0 switched adapter. I recall someone writing about this exact issue before, you confirmed it.
Hmm, I was thinking it was more of a faulty adapter, since the 980 is PCIe 4.0 which in itself could be the issue. The adapter is just a cheap one from micro center I thought wasn't pairing well. If it is the blade, could it be a firmware issue?

but oh well, not the end of the world I'll just keep it in the 16x. I bought the card assuming I was taking it over to 7,1 anyway. Hopefully there's a refresh with alder lake along with a silicon option. If they do that they kill the mac pro. would be no different than a fixed laptop with very short ceiling of expandability. In that case they should call it Limited Pro and steve no jobs.
 
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Does anybody know how many RAIDs disk utility can run? ie can disk utility setup two separate RAIDs on the 5,1?
As many as you like. Each RAID is separate from each other.
You can make a RAID of RAIDs if you wanted.

Edit: Anywho, I'm switching it back to the 16x slot for the time being until something makes sense as why link speed is negotiated at 2.5 GT/s. I hate to take up the 16x slot; If anyone see's anything let me know and hopefully I don't have to solder anything. Thanks for the help.
Try one of the methods to make it run at 5 GT/s? Use fast.sh script with pciutils or use the FixPCIeLinkRate.efi driver.
 
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Question? I installed a 970 evo plus 2 tera APFS two partitions and have been having issues with Big Sur. I partitioned it 500 gig for Mac OS and Data and 1.5 for scratch disk. It's installed in slot 3 next to my titan ridge in slot 4 Mac Pro 5,1 OC 0.7.7. The scratch partition works fine but when I run Mac OS off the 500gig partition it is buggy, mainly with Pro Tools. But with my other exact same setup on a 256g non partition AHCI drive I have no issues. I have re installed Big Sur a few times with different versions 11.6.3 and back to 11.6.1 but it does the same wierd things like the finder just disappears out of the blew and I have to reboot. If I launch Pro Tools the session locks up and I have to force quit. Maybe its the partitions that is the issue? It's running the latest firmware.
 

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Question? I installed a 970 evo plus 2 tera APFS two partitions and have been having issues with Big Sur. I partitioned it 500 gig for Mac OS and Data and 1.5 for scratch disk. It's installed in slot 3 next to my titan ridge in slot 4 Mac Pro 5,1 OC 0.7.7. The scratch partition works fine but when I run Mac OS off the 500gig partition it is buggy, mainly with Pro Tools. But with my other exact same setup on a 256g non partition AHCI drive I have no issues. I have re installed Big Sur a few times with different versions 11.6.3 and back to 11.6.1 but it does the same wierd things like the finder just disappears out of the blew and I have to reboot. If I launch Pro Tools the session locks up and I have to force quit. Maybe its the partitions that is the issue? It's running the latest firmware.
I have the same set up as you on my machine (recently installed on a Kryo M.2 adapter)

Mine is really slow to boot but seems to run OK

Can I ask what version is the firmware on your 970 eco plus?
There can be some issues with earlier versions of firmware. Samsung also changed controllers from a Phoenix controller to their own "In-House" controller so not sure if that will cause an issue.
 

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I have the same set up as you on my machine (recently installed on a Kryo M.2 adapter)

Mine is really slow to boot but seems to run OK

Can I ask what version is the firmware on your 970 eco plus?
There can be some issues with earlier versions of firmware. Samsung also changed controllers from a Phoenix controller to their own "In-House" controller so not sure if that will cause an issue.
2B2QEXM7 their utility says it’s current but on the website they have a new version that starts with 4 not 2. I have the same issues if it’s in the pcie card or in my external thunderbolt enclosure.
 

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2B2QEXM7 their utility says it’s current but on the website they have a new version that starts with 4 not 2. I have the same issues if it’s in the pcie card or in my external thunderbolt enclosure.
Yeah - I think I saw that the 4xxxx version was only for some serial numbers

Any idea what controller your 970 has? - you can check by the model code - mine is MZ-V7S2T0BW, with a Phoenix Controller
 
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Question? I installed a 970 evo plus 2 tera APFS two partitions and have been having issues with Big Sur. I partitioned it 500 gig for Mac OS and Data and 1.5 for scratch disk. It's installed in slot 3 next to my titan ridge in slot 4 Mac Pro 5,1 OC 0.7.7. The scratch partition works fine but when I run Mac OS off the 500gig partition it is buggy, mainly with Pro Tools. But with my other exact same setup on a 256g non partition AHCI drive I have no issues. I have re installed Big Sur a few times with different versions 11.6.3 and back to 11.6.1 but it does the same wierd things like the finder just disappears out of the blew and I have to reboot. If I launch Pro Tools the session locks up and I have to force quit. Maybe its the partitions that is the issue? It's running the latest firmware.
Personally I would have the scratch disk on a completely separate disk.
Too much going on, on the same drive (OS/Protools/scratch).
 

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Yeah - I think I saw that the 4xxxx version was only for some serial numbers

Any idea what controller your 970 has? - you can check by the model code - mine is MZ-V7S2T0BW, with a Phoenix Controller
Hey I don't see where the model # is written. It acts the same way if its in my pcie board or external thunderbolt enclosure.
 

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Melbourne Park

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My is Model MZ-V7S2T0 production date 8/2021
Fast Savage said his: "mine is MZ-V7S2T0BW, with a Phoenix Controller" - so your's sounds like a Phoenix - the established controller. The non Phoenix controllers have a lot more cache, and have a higher level of cell memory. So when their cache runs out, they perform slower. Until then, they are faster than the Phoenix controller blades. Also logically, the higher the level of cell memory, the shorter the life of the blade. So if worked very hard, the Phoenix blades IMO would have longer life. But still blade life looks very long indeed.

For system basis, I think the faster with more cache would perform better. I am unsure though if the revised 970 Evo Plus runs hotter, or cooler, than the previous one, such as yours with the Phoenix controller. IMO they would run cooler due to the cache, but if the cache would run out, then they run hotter due to the difference in memory layers. But I am only guessing.
 

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I guess I am going to wipe it and start again. But I really wanted a smaller system drive 500 gigs and use 1.5T for a scratch disk. But it has had issues, like the finder quitting when runnning pro tools and pro tools locking up when starting playback. My other system drive works fine no issues. Not sure this will solve the problem but worth a shot. The scratch partition works fine, just the system is running buggy off the 970. I would have thought that it would be fine to run two partitions one for OS/DATA and one for scratch disk, but maybe not.
 
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Well I removed the partition, same things are happening, will reformat and install OS one more time and migrate data without partitions, if that doesn’t work I’ll get a 500 gig or 1 terabyte maybe different brand or model.
 
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Hey I don't see where the model # is written. It acts the same way if its in my pcie board or external thunderbolt enclosure.

Your attachment:

https://forums.macrumors.com/attachments/screen-shot-2022-02-06-at-2-27-00-pm-png.1955255/

Just on your screen capture in the image you attached, can someone explain to me the drive configuration Lancemcv1's 5,1 CMP listed? It shows three drives being created from the 2 TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus drive: a 200 GB Dos drive, a 500 GB APFS apple drive, and a 1.5TB Apple APFS drive ... which adds up to 2.2 TB??? I'm presuming the DOS partition is a sub-set of the APFS 500 GB Apple partitioned drive?

Lancemcv1, have you considered using as the boot drive a low cost SSD in one of the SATA bays or in one of the DVD bays (using one of the two SATA connections there)? My understanding is that if you put you apps onto a PCIe drive, the speed of the drive will be a benefit, depending on the program. I am unsure of the benefits of getting 4 times the speed for the operating system itself ... maybe you'd be better off with the OS on a SATA connection?

I am myself considering whether I should put a third NVME drive on my NVME card, whether I would benefit a lot from doing so. In my case, I'd have a bigger benefit because the OS would communicate across the card itself, from one card to the two RAID cards, via with a PCIe type three bus, rather than a type two, half as quick bus.
 

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Just on your screen capture in the image you attached, can someone explain to me the drive configuration Lancemcv1's 5,1 CMP listed? It shows three drives being created from the 2 TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus drive: a 200 GB Dos drive, a 500 GB APFS apple drive, and a 1.5TB Apple APFS drive ... which adds up to 2.2 TB??? I'm presuming the DOS partition is a sub-set of the APFS 500 GB Apple partitioned drive?
The dos drive is 200 MB. Not GB. It has nothing to do with APFS. It's the EFI partition that every GPT formatted disk should have. It is usually not mounted by macOS. macOS may put UEFI firmware updates in there. Windows and Linux will put their boot loaders in there. On Hackintoshes, it will contain the Clover or OpenCore boot loader to boot macOS on PCs. On old unsupported Macs, it may contain OpenCore, or it may contain the APFS patch from dosdude1's patchers to boot newer versions of macOS.
 

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Hey I don't see where the model # is written. It acts the same way if its in my pcie board or external thunderbolt enclosure.
From the screenshot, your 970EVO+ is working at x2 8GT/s, this is wrong and maybe you have a defective adapter or even the blade itself, how you are connecting it?
 

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From the screenshot, your 970EVO+ is working at x2 8GT/s, this is wrong and maybe you have a defective adapter or even the blade itself, how you are connecting it?
It could be one of the slots of a two slot Thunderbolt enclosure such as the Akitio Node Duo
https://www.akitio.com/expansion/node-duo
or a two slot M.2 enclosure:
https://www.amazon.ca/Thunderbolt-Two-Slot-NVMe-Enclosure-Support/dp/B08L952WCB
or a reduced bandwidth M.2 enclosure such as The OWC Envoy Express:
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/TB3ENVXP00/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...lso-definitely-not-usb4.2269777/post-29386290
 

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Hey everyone,

I'm looking at getting a new nvme drive and was considering the Gold P31 2TB blade mainly for its 4Kn support as Apple PCIe drives are mostly 4Kn (except for some macbook's that were mysteriously shipped with 512 sector drives in-between manufacturing batches) which is why I believe they outperform third-party 512e/512 sector drives at RND4K/QD1 and QD64 (random) by about 40% to 60% for both read/write.

Can anyone with the P31 confirm if their drive functions properly, specifically with it formatted to 4Kn under Big Sur or Monterey, on the cMP?

I'm planning on using it with my 7101-A HighPoint card.

Cheers
 

macsoundsolutions

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From the screenshot, your 970EVO+ is working at x2 8GT/s, this is wrong and maybe you have a defective adapter or even the blade itself, how you are connecting it?
I was wondering when I saw that 8GTs as well but th epost above explains how OWC slows it down to 1500MBs in te Envoy Express but not sure why they do that. But in either adapter internal or external it acts exactly the same way just buggy when running Mac OS off it. So I am guessing its the blade that is the issue. Using it as storage seems ok though but I don't really trust it, using it for OS its been very buggy.
 

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It could be one of the slots of a two slot Thunderbolt enclosure such as the Akitio Node Duo
https://www.akitio.com/expansion/node-duo
or a two slot M.2 enclosure:
https://www.amazon.ca/Thunderbolt-Two-Slot-NVMe-Enclosure-Support/dp/B08L952WCB
or a reduced bandwidth M.2 enclosure such as The OWC Envoy Express:
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/TB3ENVXP00/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...lso-definitely-not-usb4.2269777/post-29386290
correct, it is in the OWC Envoy Express, why the heck did OWC do that?, just to keep it running cooler? And they say "50% faster than any other Thunderbolt 3 options" on the box... but they limit it to 1500MBs. I know that's all the 5,1 can muster int a 4X slot or external Thunderbolt.
 
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I'm looking at getting a new nvme drive and was considering the Gold P31 2TB blade mainly for its 4Kn support as Apple PCIe drives are mostly 4Kn (except for some macbook's that were mysteriously shipped with 512 sector drives in-between manufacturing batches) which is why I believe they outperform third-party 512e/512 sector drives at RND4K/QD1 and QD64 (random) by about 40% to 60% for both read/write.

Can anyone with the P31 confirm if their drive functions properly, specifically with it formatted to 4Kn under Big Sur or Monterey, on the cMP?

I'm planning on using it with my 7101-A HighPoint card.

Cheers

Please excuse my rambling post following:

I like that drive but I do not run a boot drive on my 7101A-1, and I am uncertain of the benefits for doing so in comparison to running off a SATA SSD drive (which is what I am doing now). I've thought about testing the benefit by removing my RAID and trying the boot drive on one of the slots, using one of my two 2 TB drives, on what would be an "was-RAIDed".

I also read somewhere that there is a particular slot on the 7101A-1 that is better cooled, hence better for the OS. Although I am also unsure if an OS would need more cooling than if the drive was being used for video work, which IMO works drives harder than an OS.

Also, I wouldn't be worried about the sector size. It's performance that counts, and these drives are far more complex than just sector size. Although a note about performance - in the future, type 4 drives - which can benefit from PCIe Type 4 slots - will eventually become the norm. I've also read here that the Western Digital SN850 is very fast on our setups - as would be the Samsung 980 Pro (presuming the Samsung will work as it should on our cards). But those solutions are pretty costly IMO.

But I just checked my Amazon Prime prices for the Hynix here in Australia, and a shipment must be on the way ... and their price is excellent - $Au20 more than a 2TB Samsung Evo Plus drive (and those drives while IMO great for an OS drive they have changed their construction which for video work is inferior to what they were).

So I've put in my shopping basket a 2 Tb P31 drive. Which is 50% more than its P31 1 TB drive, so IMO its worth the extra $Au100. That will allow me to run a big fat OS on it, and if there aren't major gains, then I'll have a 6 TB RAID, and boot from a SATA. Reality is though I only need 1TB for the OS.

Funnily enough I discovered a PCIe card which handles two NVME drives - while re-organising my home office - which I bought from Amazon on December 8th, 2020. It even has two alloy heat sinks and stick on alloy heat sinks for the two NVME cards. I recall when I bought it, I thought it had to have a SATA based card and an NVME drive - one of each! However it has a cable that connects to another external SATA drive! Quite the "deal" for something that cost $US 21.50!

No idea if it works but I might test it with a new NVME card before popping on into the RAID card. Its called a MHQJRH !!!!
 
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Funnily enough I discovered a PCIe card which handles two NVME drives - while re-organsised my home office - which I bought from Amazon on December 8th, 2020. It even has two alloy heat sinks and stick on alloy heat sinks for the two NVME cards. I recall when I bought it, I thought it had to have a SATA based card and an NVME drive - one of each! However it has a cable that connects to another external SATA drive! Quite the "deal" for something that cost $US 21.50!

No idea if it works but I might test it with a new NVME card before popping on into the RAID card. Its called a MHQJRH !!!!
It's a SATA M.2 (B-key blade) and NVMe M.2 (M-key blade) card, not a dual NVMe M.2 card.

For the SATA M.2 blade to work, you need to connect the card to one of the Mac Pro SATA ports.

 
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