Perfect imac 27 received!

[TennisandMusic]

What situation, Tom? It appears to confirm that the very vocal folks returning iMacs are in the smallest minority. The sales figures have proven that the Late-2009 models are selling like hotcakes.

Personally, I find it ludicrous that there are those that would like to paint the new machines as some sort of giant Apple failure based on nothing other than their own negative experiences.

By the way, I was tickled pink to see in the news this morning that Gizmodo, an early champion of this cause might be the subject of a criminal investigation for their questionable journalistic techniques in the iPhone 4.0 photo leaks.

The only thing it confirms is that most people either have no clue what they are buying, or are complete Apple apologists. That guys "perfect" screen is a disaster. If you can't see the tinge NOW well...that's just called denial. These iMac screens are the ONLY ones I've seen that do this consistently in this manner. This is certainly not a result of photo angles either, because of the IPS technology.

The situation IS ludicrous. I'm not really sure there is any way to possibly spin it.

 

[jjahshik32]

That screen looks great to me. I don't see the yellow tint on that display.

 

[TennisandMusic]

That screen looks great to me. I don't see the yellow tint on that display.

Seriously? Do you not see that I moved the bars up to directly compare them? They are vastly different colors. I could tell it immediately, from the regular picture, but moving the bars up just makes it that much more clear.

 

[unixfool]

I don't see anything wrong with that screen...but it doesn't really matter. I'm hating the constant "show us an image of your screen" banter. All it does is make people find issues that aren't there. It's one thing to say, "I see yellow" but its an entirely different thing to say something akin to, "I see yellow...WTF, Apple dropped the ball again. My first 6 iMacs were the same way. I'm never buying an iMac again." It serves no purpose in this thread...there are already threads for complaints out there. In my view, these types of posts are designed to spread dissent and FUD. So you got a bad iMac (or a bad 6, in the case of some). While that may be the case, the majority of iMac users out there find no issues with their iMacs. Here's something else: if you already have a yellowed iMac and you look at others' screenshots with that yellow iMac, guess what...you're gonna see yellow when the yellow doesn't actually exist! The fact that people are exchanging for multiple units tells me that they are looking for excuses to bilk Apple for that elusive perfect machine by justifying that they are entitled to having the perfect machine since they paid $XXXX.XX for it...it is not a real justification and its just an attempt at holding a company hostage against their marketing that its a "perfect screen". I challenge anyone to define the word "perfect" in regards to new technology, without comparing it to old technology.

OP, congrats on the nice machine! Don't let the FUD get to you!

 

[splashnader]

I don't see anything wrong with that screen...but it doesn't really matter. I'm hating the constant "show us an image of your screen" banter. All it does is make people find issues that aren't there. It's one thing to say, "I see yellow" but its an entirely different thing to say something akin to, "I see yellow...WTF, Apple dropped the ball again. My first 6 iMacs were the same way. I'm never buying an iMac again." It serves no purpose in this thread...there are already threads for complaints out there. In my view, these types of posts are designed to spread dissent and FUD. So you got a bad iMac (or a bad 6, in the case of some). While that may be the case, the majority of iMac users out there find no issues with their iMacs. Here's something else: if you already have a yellowed iMac and you look at others' screenshots with that yellow iMac, guess what...you're gonna see yellow when the yellow doesn't actually exist! The fact that people are exchanging for multiple units tells me that they are looking for excuses to bilk Apple for that elusive perfect machine by justifying that they are entitled to having the perfect machine since they paid $XXXX.XX for it...it is not a real justification and its just an attempt at holding a company hostage against their marketing that its a "perfect screen". I challenge anyone to define the word "perfect" in regards to new technology, without comparing it to old technology.

OP, congrats on the nice machine! Don't let the FUD get to you!

There is some slight discoloration in on the two bars referenced. But this whole issue is being completely overblown. Just about all LCD panels will have some very slight color shifts. It is completely normal. Some vary more than others, but you find the color shift in just about any brand you buy. Unless you are buying a professional LCD monitor and are willing to pay 5 * what the imac is worth you will never find a completely perfect display, and even then some will still not be happy.

I do not have a problem with these small color shifts. To me this is a non issue. Now for those who actually had a yellow tinge, many of those imacs have been returned and the customers have gotten exchanges or refunds.

 

[alanwong]

What situation, Tom? It appears to confirm that the very vocal folks returning iMacs are in the smallest minority.

Wow those people must be also very unlucky in addition to being vocal as they keep getting bad screens given to them as replacements...

 

[lefse]

The picture that was kindly posted shows the best iMac (late 2009) display that I have seen so far.

That being said, it is still defective, judging by a colour uniformity that can't keep up with cheap 6-year-old LCDs.
Everyone can see that the display isn't good enough for sensitive photo editing, but it might very well be that most people do not know this. At least they do not seem to care.
But please, stop indirectly saying that one has to get a $2000 Eizo for acceptable colour uniformity when the cheapest Macbook already has this.

It is not Apple-hatred to point this out. It is common sense to be disappointed when a premium product simply does not perform up to what's being advertised.
Even if people get a refund (I did), that does not excuse selling 3 million (is it?) piss poor displays because grandma and aunt Linda does not know any better.

 

[xSPRINTERx]

Its my screen and it looks fine to me, Thats all that matters to me.
I take photos as a hobby, I have an SLR and only shoot in RAW. It meets my needs perfectly for editing photos.

I only posted the photo to show people what I had. I wish I hadn't bothered.

 

[Btom]

The only thing it confirms is that most people either have no clue what they are buying, or are complete Apple apologists. That guys "perfect" screen is a disaster.
.....

I wouldn't draw this kind of conclusions from the attached photo of the glossy screen, taken in less than perfect conditions (angle, bright room, hence reflections mixing with the content). As far as iMac screens go, I'd still say this one is not bad.

Tom B.

 

[SaSaSushi]

It is not Apple-hatred to point this out. It is common sense to be disappointed when a premium product simply does not perform up to what's being advertised.
Even if people get a refund (I did), that does not excuse selling 3 million (is it?) piss poor displays because grandma and aunt Linda does not know any better.

Oh sure, you got a bad screen, so a few million other iMac owners are just too dumb to realize their own screens are defective. Of all the interesting theories from this camp this is my favorite.

We folks with tinge-free and uniform-colored screens just don't have the advanced perception and visual acuity of the likes of lefse. Poor us.

Thank you for posting the pic of your screen xSPRINTERx. Like my own, it is without any serious flaws. Enjoy it in good health and by all means don't let the negativity get to you.

 

[SaSaSushi]

Wow those people must be also very unlucky in addition to being vocal as they keep getting bad screens given to them as replacements...

Says them.

A group of very vocal repeat returners = several million satisfied customers are color-blind idiots?? OK.

Perhaps these are people who are demanding something that doesn't exist: like absolute perfect corner to corner color uniformity. That would make it easy to return every one they send. You wouldn't even have to bother opening the box and turning it on.

For the umpteenth time to anyone considering buying an iMac, don't take anything you read in these or any other forums to be gospel. Let your own eyes be the judge because they're all that matters.

 

[xSPRINTERx]

Says them.

A group of very vocal repeat returners = several million satisfied customers are color-blind idiots?? OK.

Or like me, such an apple fan boy I can no longer see the colour yellow !!

off topic.

Where can I download some HD content (1080p) to show this thing off ? The itunes store in the UK is rubbish for HD.

 

[Paulyboy]

Its my screen and it looks fine to me, Thats all that matters to me.
I take photos as a hobby, I have an SLR and only shoot in RAW. It meets my needs perfectly for editing photos.

I only posted the photo to show people what I had. I wish I hadn't bothered.

.
+1 and precisely why I'll never be posting photos of my 27" iMac.

-PN

P.S. Enjoy your iMac. It's awesome.

 

[IndustrialSpace]

The picture that was kindly posted shows the best iMac (late 2009) display that I have seen so far.

That being said, it is still defective, judging by a colour uniformity that can't keep up with cheap 6-year-old LCDs.
Everyone can see that the display isn't good enough for sensitive photo editing, but it might very well be that most people do not know this. At least they do not seem to care.
But please, stop indirectly saying that one has to get a $2000 Eizo for acceptable colour uniformity when the cheapest Macbook already has this.

It is not Apple-hatred to point this out. It is common sense to be disappointed when a premium product simply does not perform up to what's being advertised.
Even if people get a refund (I did), that does not excuse selling 3 million (is it?) piss poor displays because grandma and aunt Linda does not know any better.

+1

good post!

 

[Btom]

I don't see anything wrong with that screen...but it doesn't really matter. I'm hating the constant "show us an image of your screen" banter. ......

I hope you realize, that visiting this site is on a totally voluntary base?

Tom B.

 

[Btom]

Oh sure, you got a bad screen, so a few million other iMac owners are just too dumb to realize their own screens are defective.

Large percentage of Apple sales are laptops. Also, not everybody is picky about things as perfect color uniformity, as long as it is Apple and not all of the new iMacs were defective to the same degree. But the percentage of problem screens recognized by Apple must be substantial (judging from the multiple replacements).

Tom B.

 

[unixfool]

I hope you realize, that visiting this site is on a totally voluntary base?

Tom B.

Really? I didn't know that.

It's within my rights as a forum user to state the obvious. You don't have to like it, just as I don't have to like posts such as yours. Every forum has their issues. This one has the issue of people attempting to derail threads such as this. In every single "I'm happy with my iMac thread," there's someone who attempts to hijack it.

Just as you vent about the iMac issues, everyone else that doesn't have any complaints can voice their own opinion. Just as I can read complaints and hijack attempts, I can at least add my Mac experience.

 

[SaSaSushi]

Large percentage of Apple sales are laptops.

I said desktop Mac sales, Tom. That means iMac and Mac Pro.

In this case I am referring specifically to the iMac data.

Also, not everybody is picky about things as perfect color uniformity, as long as it is Apple and not all of the new iMacs were defective to the same degree. But the percentage of problem screens recognized by Apple must be substantial (judging from the multiple replacements).

The only place I have read about multiple returns are in user forums. Please do point me to your hard data on just how substantial these replacements were in terms of the overall iMacs sold.

I am extremely sensitive to color issues and I'm sorry, but I've seen the yellow-tinged screens that Apple has acknowledged and you don't even need to be to recognize it. I returned my last iMac (mid-'07 24") a few times for screen issues.

 

[Mac'nCheese]

slight hum

Is a slight hum from a new imac 27 normal? I'm assuming its the fan or the hard drive. No machine would be 100% quiet, right?

 

[SaSaSushi]

Is a slight hum from a new imac 27 normal? I'm assuming its the fan or the hard drive. No machine would be 100% quiet, right?

This probably belongs in a separate thread but, no, it's not absolutely silent. How detectable the sound of the power supply and fans are depends a lot on the ambient sound in the room you're using your iMac in.

That said, my 27" iMac is about as close to silent as any computer I've ever owned. The 24" C2D and 20" CD iMacs that preceded it were as well. I've got a fanless IcyDock external HD enclosure that is very quiet in operation but louder than the iMac.

 

[Mac'nCheese]

Yeah, I think Im being anal. My old imac has a hum that I must have gotten used to. Now that the kids are home, I don't hear anything. Its got be real quiet to hear the hum. Its got to be the fan or something. I guess seeing all the posts on the sight made be hyper-sensitive to any problems with the new macs.

 

[SaSaSushi]

I guess seeing all the posts on the sight made be hyper-sensitive to any problems with the new macs.

Oh, believe me, this place can do that to you for SURE.

Just remember, every time someone falls into that trap and starts getting nervous and questioning their own perceptions based on forum whingings, ye olde spreaders of FUD rejoice.

Regarding your own Mac, your opinion is the only one that counts. No one can argue with that because it's just a simple fact. Don't let negative suggestions breed hallucinations.

 

[Btom]

I said desktop Mac sales, Tom. That means iMac and Mac Pro.

In this case I am referring specifically to the iMac data.

I was estimating numbers using this report referring to Mac (computers), but I don't know the split between laptops and desktops sales. I couldn't find sales numbers in your quoted report.

The only place I have read about multiple returns are in user forums. Please do point me to your hard data on just how substantial these replacements were in terms of the overall iMacs sold.

I am extremely sensitive to color issues and I'm sorry, but I've seen the yellow-tinged screens that Apple has acknowledged and you don't even need to be to recognize it. I returned my last iMac (mid-'07 24") a few times for screen issues.

What I was trying to tell is that, if you are sensitive to color uniformity, Apple is saying something like: "Fine, we know there are some problem units, so try another one, maybe you'll like the next one better". Following are my main three thoughts on the topic:

1. It is actually quite noble of Apple to allow this being repeated several times;

2. Apparently the replacement units are not specially selected and there were many reports of multiple exchanges, before finally settling on the "best from the non perfect bunch". I don't recall any report saying "Gee, my second unit was really perfect, thank you Apple". More often than not people reported to be more and more frustrated, as perception grew, that the subsequent units were worse and worse (hence sometimes slightly rough language):

3. Most yellow screens I have seen could be used as they were and for most applications the modest yellow tinge is really unimportant. That's why I think many people do not notice non uniformity, think it is normal, or don't care.

Tom B.

 

[SaSaSushi]

Most yellow screens I have seen could be used as they were and for most applications the modest yellow tinge is really unimportant. That's why I think many people do not notice non uniformity, think it is normal, or don't care.

And I repeat my opinion that you and others of your ilk give people far too little credit. The yellow-tinged screens are not that hard to recognize. It can be detected in normal usage on any screen with a light background. It is obvious the moment you power on the machine and see the grey boot screen.

But the hype is spread and certain susceptible users read the FUD in here and end up staring at their tinge-free screens for hours until they eventually convince themselves they're affected. Some of these folks even end up returning good iMacs.

That's a shame.

Here's a simple test:

Do a color calibration and set your screen to your preferred level of brightness. Look at the screen with a solid grey or white background or run the Tapplox test if you like. Give it a good solid look over for 20-30 seconds.

Hint: If after this you feel you have to continue to stare and stare and ask your wife and kids and friends to look and tell you if they think there's a yellow tinge, guess what?? There isn't!

My mantra: your eyes = the final arbiter. Fight the FUD!

 

[lefse]

And I repeat my opinion that you and others of your ilk give people far too little credit. The yellow-tinged screens are not that hard to recognize. It can be detected in normal usage on any screen with a light background. It is obvious the moment you power on the machine and see the grey boot screen.

(...)

Hint: If after this you feel you have to continue to stare and stare and ask your wife and kids and friends to look and tell you if they think there's a yellow tinge, guess what?? There isn't!

My mantra: your eyes = the final arbiter. Fight the FUD!

Listen up,
If someone buys a 27" display, I really hope for their sake that they'll be using it for more advanced stuff that sending off emails and reading macrumors.
I.e. editing a photo with a wedding dress, that ends up looking very weird if adjusted for print.

It's the same old story every time someone complains or asks a negative question regarding a mac:
Out of nowhere jumps a guy out in the middle of the road, feriociously defending Apple and suggesting that people be happy with what they got.

Fine. But get this. Wishing the problem away isn't going to save Apple from having to deal with it.
I understand that you find it hurtful, but please let people ask for help if they're not sure about what they just spent their money on.