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Phil Schiller Says 32GB RAM on New MacBook Pro Would Have Required Battery Compromising Design
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I hope you are not suggesting that PCI-e SSD's are as fast as memory or that swapping out to disk and pulling data back from disk doesn't hurt performance, because, well, that's just silly and wrong to boot.
If you don't need more than 16G, that's just fine and all the power to you. But please don't go around making false statements in an attempt to show people that legitimately need more should be ok with it as well.
Which Macbook Pro would you pick, if you had the choice:
Option 1:
2016 15" Macbook Pro with Emojibar
(76.0 Wh battery)
Option 2:
2015 15" Macbook Pro with:
- Skylake CPU's from 2016 model
- GPU's from 2016 model
- Display from 2016 model
- 2x DDR4 slots
- 2x M.2 slots
(99.5 Wh battery)
I know my pick...
Option 1:
2016 15" Macbook Pro with Emojibar
(76.0 Wh battery)
Option 2:
2015 15" Macbook Pro with:
- Skylake CPU's from 2016 model
- GPU's from 2016 model
- Display from 2016 model
- 2x DDR4 slots
- 2x M.2 slots
(99.5 Wh battery)
I know my pick...
You'll only get decent battery life for the FHD version. Even with the the bigger battery the UHD version gets about 5 hours and 2 hours under load.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-X...HD-InfinityEdge-Notebook-Review.156462.0.html
So if concerned about battery life, your only choice is bump down to a lower resolution model and that model doesn't even have a high gamut display - so not great for photo or video work if you value colour accuracy.
True, but in that case the resolution is closer to Apple's than the 4K version. So if we are comparing specs, take a 84Wh XPS with FHD and see how far it is from the true runtime of a 2016 MBP.
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I guess that's why the 2015 MBP's had a 99,5Wh battery, which is 30% bigger than the current 76Wh. Magic, huh?
Hint: if you make the case 17% larger, the mainboard and keyboard don't also grow by 17%, you gain empty space that can be filled with battery.
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So Apple builds computers now in the hope that their customers' most important use case is not to use them for 30 days. Yeah, that's really important in our age where crossing the Atlantic means you'll be on a sail boat for a months.
Made me laugh.
On the battery I think there was some inference that they actually couldn't/wouldn't make the battery bigger because carrying over 100Wh Lithium Ion batteries is prohibited for carry on baggage by the FAA.
Apple's obsession with "thinness" will kill the usability of their machines and the company.
If I close the lid of my laptop and let it sit there for a few hours the PC should figure out what to do to save battery.
I can....
2015 15" rMBP 99,5 Wh
2016 15" rMBP 76 Wh
is nearly 25% less battery capacity...
So use the same 2015 form factor, fill it with battey cells (as rMB 2015 and 2016, rMBP 2015, iPhone, iPad) and, coupled with the more efficent skylake achitecture, you could achieve 8/9 hrs battery with 16GB DDR4, a little less with 32GB which is perfectly acceptable, and FFS who cares for 30 days stand by??
Apple did the math and chose to compromise in battery capacity for the sake of thinness.
It is entirely their choice to use LPDDR3 and not to fill all the space with battery cells, and yet, except for the non-TB 13", they failed to reach their alleged 10 hrs threshold...
Ah, and before someone starts talking about heat, battery expansion, internal airflow...Look at the other laptops or iOS devices, no free space. Apparently only the 2016 rMBP laptop has that empty space...
If you don't use your computer for over a week regularly, you are no Pro user. Or an unemployed Pro user.
Pro's - like artisans - use their tools to build and craft.
Given the price premium, I'd get an external USB-C SSD for a fraction of the price - or even a spinning disk to store non-performance based stuff. Can't do external RAM...yet
It'd be a fraction of the speed as well though. There's only one USB-C 3.1 Gen 2 device I know of by Sandisk that can get 700MB/s, which puts it 4.5 times slower than the internal drive.
Eventually Thunderbolt 3 SSD's will arrive, but you'll be looking at big money then...especially as you'll just be paying for an external cased Samsung 960 Pro to make use of the available bandwidth. So expect $2000 for an external 2TB of those speeds.
The standby issue is actually a big deal - not for 30 days worth because all computers will go into hibernate during that time and the RAM will be powered down - but in day to day use. Windows laptops have improved on this somewhat in recent years, but I still have never had a Windows laptop that is as reliable at going into its lowest power sleep mode every time. This means that I often put my Windows laptop to sleep in my bag, spend 18-24 hours traveling internationally, and when I go to use it for work upon arrival, it's often depleted 40-50% of the battery on me. So my laptop that has '8 hours' of battery life is now down to 4 when I need it. Apple has long been much more reliable when it comes to sleep and standby power drain, so it is no surprise that they would choose the lowest power RAM they can get.
The only reason for that empty space is that Apple wanted to hit some weight target to brag about how light their MBPs are. Further, they are incapable of figuring out true small-bezel displays like Dell XPS has and therefore the MBP needs a large footprint.
The levels of condescension necessary to distinguish between computer users and 'real' computer users.
Naaah. Apple owns the whole stack and can design their systems and OS so that their machines can go to deep sleep. If they currently achieve 30d, compromising this down to 7d would hurt hardly anyone even aver a year of battery decay.
Also: why don't you put your Windows box into hibernation before boarding a flight? I do it all the time and it helps conserving battery power.
I could, but Windows 10 doesn't include Hibernate by default, and I haven't actually used the Start menu to put a computer to sleep in years. I just close the thing like everyone else does. If I really know I'll need the battery life I can manually put it in hibernate. But we shouldn't have to.
I know how to do that, but most of the time I don't want my laptop to go into hibernate. What it's supposed to do is go to sleep so it wakes instantly (and continues to update some core processes in the background) for 3 hours, then go into hibernation after that. This is similar to Apple's method, but the Windows implementation has never been as reliable.
And also to lure people into updating to Rev A or Rev B when they'll fill all the avaliable spaces and brag about 12 hrs battery life...
Then go read some other thread -- people are pissed off and want to task about it. you're the one doing the whining.
Clearly option #2 - and no reason for option 2 not to also retain: Magsafe, SD card slot, 1x USB-A and add 2xUSB-C
2x M.2 slots would be great for future upgradeability
I like the thickness of my MBP 15'' 2008, because it has space for all the Ports i need,
but it's too heavy those Days......
But i would like to have that size with all the ports and
a weigth of a FLY!! Yeah, and i guess you could change the SSD and RAM, that's why my
MBP is still alive, ok now they kill it with the Software.......
To charge over 2000$ (Europe) for that new 13'' machine (oh i forgot to include the Adapter's ;-)
and with all the limitations,
i don't think that machine will be a workhorse for 8 years.....
It's up to you, if you earn enough money, wanna play with the new bar and you don't care to buy
a new one in a few years,
go for it
if not, .......
AND... do you really wanna put your new beauty MBP next to this ugly 5K Displays?? aawww
and don't hang on your powercord, uhhh, hello apple care, is that covered anyway, killing you port?
but it's too heavy those Days......
But i would like to have that size with all the ports and
a weigth of a FLY!! Yeah, and i guess you could change the SSD and RAM, that's why my
MBP is still alive, ok now they kill it with the Software.......
To charge over 2000$ (Europe) for that new 13'' machine (oh i forgot to include the Adapter's ;-)
and with all the limitations,
i don't think that machine will be a workhorse for 8 years.....
It's up to you, if you earn enough money, wanna play with the new bar and you don't care to buy
a new one in a few years,
go for it
if not, .......
AND... do you really wanna put your new beauty MBP next to this ugly 5K Displays?? aawww
and don't hang on your powercord, uhhh, hello apple care, is that covered anyway, killing you port?