Its all about "skinny" to them. I mean lets just be honest. If the fashionista's want THIN then that's what the AIR lineup should have been. PRO is about power first, style second. Why is that such a tall order for them?
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Phil Schiller Says 32GB RAM on New MacBook Pro Would Have Required Battery Compromising Design
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Its all about "skinny" to them. I mean lets just be honest. If the fashionista's want THIN then that's what the AIR lineup should have been. PRO is about power first, style second. Why is that such a tall order for them?
The demand for 32GB RAM is real. From virtual machines / OS simulators to incredibly large photo libraries to multi track Logic Pro recordings. 16GB is enough for most but not for some .. those "some" used to be the professional users.
Now days everyone is a Pro user. Battery life and the thinner yada yada makes sense from an Apple business perspective. I get Phil's arguments too. But lets be honest, the REAL Professional notebook user is being left behind. I dare say that Apple released the Macbook Plus.... and the Pro is dead.. the Pro stands for PROduct. Macbook Product.
Apple needs to work with Intel regarding these low power challenges and design a real Pro machine or start designing their own hardware again. Basically Phil is calling out Apple himself.. there's no LPDRAM for the hardware.. Oh wait don't you design the hardware
It's an incredible machine for the everyday user. Heck maybe at WWDC we'll see the Macbook Pro +
A note for Apple Pro users don't need a 17% thinner machine.. Its nice, but its not a requirement to get our every day jobs done.
Now days everyone is a Pro user. Battery life and the thinner yada yada makes sense from an Apple business perspective. I get Phil's arguments too. But lets be honest, the REAL Professional notebook user is being left behind. I dare say that Apple released the Macbook Plus.... and the Pro is dead.. the Pro stands for PROduct. Macbook Product.
Apple needs to work with Intel regarding these low power challenges and design a real Pro machine or start designing their own hardware again. Basically Phil is calling out Apple himself.. there's no LPDRAM for the hardware.. Oh wait don't you design the hardware
It's an incredible machine for the everyday user. Heck maybe at WWDC we'll see the Macbook Pro +
A note for Apple Pro users don't need a 17% thinner machine.. Its nice, but its not a requirement to get our every day jobs done.
So when the Surface Studio compromised on the CPU and the GPU, that's ok, right? But when Apple compromises, it's Teh Evilz!!!
I got news for ya: ALL Engineering is ALL about COMPROMISES.
Ask ANY Engineer.
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When you drop your phone repeatedly, or stick it in your back pocket and make a boomerang out of it, yes, that's your fault.
When Intel blows their CPU timeline and causes everyone to continue to develop with last-year's parts that can't use low-power RAM above 16 GB, yes, it is Intel's fault.
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The Surface Studio has RAM/GPU options of 32GB/980M, what are they compromising on exactly? We don't even get a power adapter extension cable anymore for $4000 CAD lmao
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You DO realize, of course, that if Apple made the new MBP even 1 mm Thicker, the internet would literally melt-down at how "fat and heavy" the MBP was, and how "Apple needs to put the MBP on a DIET!", etc. etc.
If you don't think that's true, you haven't been on any internet forums in the past 10 years.
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Really?
Ok, let's assume that Apple decided to keep the extra 17% of volume.
All things being equal, that means that, at BEST, they could have increased the battery volume by that same 17%, AND NO MORE.
So, do you REALLY believe that an additional 17% of battery volume would suddenly make the MBP have 10 hours (or even 8 hours) of run-time with OVER DOUBLE the RAM-POWER-REQUIREMENTS???
They (obviously) did the math. Why can't you?
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WOW! YOU CAUGHT 'EM RED HANDED!!!
They WASTED a WHOLE FIVE WATTS OF BATTERY CAPACITY!!!!
YEAH, THAT'LL MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE!!!
Gimme a break, willya?!?
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It was just trying to show the amount of I/O bandwidth this laptop has available (80 Gbps), which, BTW IS more than the Mac Pro (60 Gbps).16 GB of RAM in this machine is just great in the universe where a new Mac Pro was released alongside this laptop. I sure don't need more than that if I have a brand new tower taking on my heavy lifting.
But in THIS universe Apple has put the following graphic on their website in a clear attempt to make us understand that this laptop is the Mac Pro replacement.
So, in that case, **** you, Apple.
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The only dimensional increase that would have NOT resulted in a severe COMPROMISE of battery-life would be a nearly 2 TIMES volume INCREASE.
Nothing less would make enough difference to matter in the REAL WORLD.
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IOW, Apple designs an Alienware LUGGABLE...
Why don't we just give it a RAID controller, a dozen 20th century I/O ports and a couple of PCI slots while we're at it, jeez! Afterall, isn't that what ALL "Pros" need???
Oh, and I forgot the trailer to haul your batteries...
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Yeah, cuz they gave you more than DOUBLE the I/O BANDWIDTH than ANY OTHER LAPTOP.
They are CLEARLY trying to rip you off and starve you of I/O....
Riiiight.
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So, you've done the math, run the power-budgets, talked with the OS Designers and the Hardware Designers, prototyped-up some mockups for real-world and benchmark testing, right?
THAT's why you KNOW that a "couple of extra mm on the thickness" would make ALL the difference, right?
AMIRITE?
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The CPU is the same Skylake CPUs that Apple has supposedly "Compromised" with.
The GPU is last-year's NVidia design.
2015 iMacs can have 32 GB of RAM (and I think maybe OWC even has 64 GB RAM for them). Line-Powered computers are different than laptops.
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Apple is a multinational multi-billion dollar company. while I'm sure they appreciate your efforts, they can defend themselves. Apple is also a for profit business that decides themselves what to offer and sells them to us for our money, they are a fair target for criticism.
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Lmao... I would be jumping for joy if they included last years NVidia design over these laughable AMD cards.
Or rather they can let customers decide for themselves, instead of telling them what they need like they're all children.
Yet you'll proudly rip off their OS and Applications, all the while bad-mouthing them, right?
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IT Startercourse. That's rich.
You need to read Phil's Bio.
Well... Apple doesn't exactly sell new desktops anymore and they marketed this as a workstation replacement.
This should have just be called the MacBook Plus or something.
DDR4-RS memory consumes 3 times less in stand-by than DDR3L. So just use that with the old battery size.
https://www.micron.com/~/media/documents/products/product-flyer/why_dram_for_ultrathins_lo.pdf
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6326/additional-details-on-microns-ddr3lrs-ddr4rs-and-other-memory
Yeah holding back features and then releasing them a year later is making it better.
Given the excessive Apple tax on everything RAM, I find it credible that Apple couldn't offer 32 GB.
They certainly wouldn't have forfeited the profit margin had they seen any opportunity to implement a 32 GB option without compromising the product's performance significantly.
They certainly wouldn't have forfeited the profit margin had they seen any opportunity to implement a 32 GB option without compromising the product's performance significantly.
That's funny because people were walking out of the store with brand new iphones with the touch disease.
That's funny because the 6 models have a higher incident than other phones.
That's funny because other computers continue to offer 32 gb.
Come on, not even a solid attempt? 0/10. Who's next?
LPDDR3 memory also is responsible for the poor performance of Skylake processors in new MacBooks?
This wonderful little fact only strengthens my argument.
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Weak explanation, Phil and Co are totally out of touch with their customers
Did you bother to read my actual post ? I stated that an additional form factor similar to the non-Retina Macbook Pros would have been an excellent alternative, by taking out the optical drive and the 2.5" drive, we'd have plenty of space for some internal upgrades and expansion options. Then you make this straw-man argument and wildly extend that what I suggested, to an Alienware-like laptop that is about twice as thick as my original suggestion and ridicule the result ?
Please contribute constructively and refrain from fallacies.
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