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Reality4711

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Mistake

The Stones and Muddy Waters are prime examples of where nigh on perfect remains so decades on...:)

Get it I do.

Probably should have been Oasis and the Beatles.

My dislike of Oasis being the point. Funny though when you think of the Beatles going on from the Everly Brothers etc etc.

I think one is just evolution where as the other Oasis/Beatles IMHO is more just rehash and plagiarism ;)

Any way perhaps in the end cheap just means character. Obviously not at time of manufacture.

My 18-35mm to me has character when I compare it to images taken with my canon 16-35mm.. Or that is the way i could put it instead of lacking a little in definition across the frame detail/punch.

Putting it your way I suppose;)

Regards

Sharkey the rambler :confused::rolleyes:
 

Reality4711

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I think that you might have got to the crux of the matter there Sharkey. Trying to recreate the look and feel of a bygone age via tools from that era.

Nothing wrong with that if you haven't lived it I guess :)

Agree with that!

Not being the jolliest or positive of souls looking at old stuff does not give me much by way of inspiration. In fact the other 3/4rs suggested I enter a 'dog photography' contest yesterday - I nearly fell off my chair. Could not think of anything less attractive (apart from Mrs Sly Stallone or a crushed warthog) :D

Looking for inspiration is hard when going out of the house is an anathema. But I do strive to create new looks (for me) when I do get out keeping away from any style that harks back to things I have already explored. Short concentration span helps. Not many multishot sequences of a subject in my library. I either get it or I don't. In the past one in three was my average when working (for someone else). With me as the customer it is about one in one hundred.

OK nuff waffle.

Regards

Sharkey
 

Designer Dale

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Folding space

Interesting choices going on here. A purist would gripe about the centered subject and bland background but there are two seperate elements in play in the photo. One is the main subject and the other is the color factor of the extraneous red bars. The red of the rails forms a composition in itself that offsets the centering of the girl and makes the photo work. Everything looks very well thought out, including the out of focus red blob camera right. Nice work.

Cheese&Apple: I don't want to get dinged for multiple posts so I'll add this here. Very smart editing on the owl pic.

Dale
 

gaswerks

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acearchie

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That's a really good point. 99% of the MF lenses I have bought are old legacy glass that have cost me peanuts. For next to nothing you can have a lens that either performs nearly as well as modern glass or gives a unique look due to it's flaws.

For example:

Rokkor 50mm 1.4 - £50

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Jupiter 8 50mm F2 - £40

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Wonderful character of both lenses for next to nothing.

Totally agree that older lenses can have some really interesting looks. Very true in cinema as well.

My favourite lenses are SuperSpeeds which are older than I am!

Talking of old cameras and lenses, I've finally found a free Saturday to scan an edit some shot from the 'blad!


Flo & Kat
by acearchie, on Flickr
 

MacRy

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Totally agree that older lenses can have some really interesting looks. Very true in cinema as well.

My favourite lenses are SuperSpeeds which are older than I am!

Talking of old cameras and lenses, I've finally found a free Saturday to scan an edit some shot from the 'blad!

[url=https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7705/17264712472_348a6b27cb_h.jpg]Image[/url]
Flo & Kat
by acearchie, on Flickr


Very nice.

Went home to visit today and found a familiar sight from my childhood.

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My mum decorating the living room. I didn't just take photos of her before anyone comments ;)
 

kenoh

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Jul 18, 2008
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Get it I do.

Probably should have been Oasis and the Beatles.

My dislike of Oasis being the point. Funny though when you think of the Beatles going on from the Everly Brothers etc etc.

I think one is just evolution where as the other Oasis/Beatles IMHO is more just rehash and plagiarism ;)

Any way perhaps in the end cheap just means character. Obviously not at time of manufacture.

My 18-35mm to me has character when I compare it to images taken with my canon 16-35mm.. Or that is the way i could put it instead of lacking a little in definition across the frame detail/punch.

Putting it your way I suppose;)

Regards

Sharkey the rambler :confused::rolleyes:

Truth is i lack my own scientific comparisons and photographic evidence to demonstrate what it is I ike about the manual lenses, specifically the Leica Summiluxes. What I know is I own Leica 35 and 50 asph lenses and i enjoy using them immensly. I also enjoy my native lenses in different situations.
 

Reality4711

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Truth is i lack my own scientific comparisons and photographic evidence to demonstrate what it is I ike about the manual lenses, specifically the Leica Summiluxes. What I know is I own Leica 35 and 50 asph lenses and i enjoy using them immensly. I also enjoy my native lenses in different situations.

That my friend is one of our greatest freedoms. To say what we like and not have to back it up - bit like religion - you believe nuff said.:)

Regards

Sharkey
 

kenoh

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Jul 18, 2008
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Wow. Looks like I started a whole conversation here. I'll reply in rapid-fire fashion with my 2 cents before moving on to my photo of the day.



There is a rather big difference. Lenses built for AF (like most modern lenses) have a focus by wire system for MF (meaning it's not really responding to your touch/feel, but rather, your rotation of the ring causes an electronic signal to move the focus inside the lens. These lenses, meant for AF, have a usually short throw (the amount of rotation of the ring that takes you from minimal focusing distance to infinity), so the focusing feels kinda loose and imprecise (hard to explain in words). The slightest touch to the ring will take you from say 3m to 10m (just an example). Manual lenses are designed to have an actual dampened ring, with usually pretty long throws as they do not require to communicate with an AF mechanism and are meant to be fine tuned by hand. I hope that made sense.

Also, as some mentioned, there is an inherent satisfaction in controlling the focus yourself. Much like the feeling you get from going off the "Auto" setting in your camera and using M for the first time. So there's definitely something of a "fun factor" to the experience that also causes you to slow down and think about your shot before hitting that button repeatedly.

AF does have its advantages though. There's no way I could ever MF in time to catch birds in flight, sports or wildlife.





Exactly what MacRy said. I explained the technical difference of MF lenses. But there's something more to it than that. A bit intangible (albeit visible in photos).

These lenses are usually very small. Which makes carrying them around fun. And makes the shooting experience more fun. I have started taking my camera with me almost everywhere I go. You never know when something interesting will lend itself to a photo. Big difference compared to the more rigorously planned approach of "going for a photo walk" where you intentionally set out with 10 lbs. of gear (for me, that meant the Canon 6D, 16-35L, 24-70L, 70-200L and sometimes 100-400L)...Yeah.

As for character...Well, that's another one that people who haven't tried it seem to think "How can something based in physics have character? It's not really organic". And that is indeed true. But after trying a couple of these lenses (an old Canon FD 50/1.8 and a Vivitar 135/2.8), both of which practically fit in my pockets, I do understand what character means. Character really means "lack of technical perfection" and that can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on one's interpretation and how one chooses to use it.
Modern lenses are very much striving for optical perfection (and many of them are pretty damn close). That means sharpness from corner to corner, microcontrast across as much of the frame as possible. Resistance to flare using modern lens coatings, etc.
Basically, the type of things you read about as "pros" in every new gear release pamphlet and announcement.
Older lenses don't always hit those marks. Some have pretty bad contrast, or bad flare resistance. Or their colors are rendered somewhat differently, or get soft away from center-frame. All this contributes to each of these lenses producing photos that are a bit different and distinct from "technically perfect" stuff we see in most modern lenses.
That can be good in some cases (some lenses are said to have "character") and it can be bad in some cases (some lenses are just awful).

That shot I posted yesterday...Very minimal processing. I don't think I could have gotten those colors and that vintagey look from my Canon (at least not without post processing it to intentionally look that way).

Here's today's photo. Shot with the Canon FD 50/1.8. Handheld and manually focused at f/1.8 for that uber shallow DOF.

Also note that this lens can be had for under $100 on ebay...(to compare to those Leicas mentioned in the above post, hehehehe).

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No fair to poke fun at those who suffer from GAS... :) it is an addiction like all others but at least if you time it right, you have an asset to sell. I had the FDn 50mm 1.4. It was a lovely lens but the sniff of a profit made me sell it. Lovely DoF In your shot. A few folks have been shooting with a low angle of view and the shots are interesting. Really nice.
 

Apple fanboy

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Feb 21, 2012
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Can you not pump more exposure out of that sky? I always love it when you can see much more that the naked eye can see. Also a WB adjustment can really help gain a more interesting colour to the sky and get rid of any local practical lighting squeezing its way in.

I'll certainly revisit night shooting. Wasn't really happy with most of my shots. I think the exposure was a little too long which gave me lines instead of stars. Think I'll limit it to a 15 second exposure next time and a higher ISO. Plus I really hate seeing the noise creep in, so will have to think about the processing a bit more.

Anyway, mine for today. _DSC0323 by apple fanboy1, on Flickr

Sort of view I'd like from my back garden.
 

Puckman

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Feb 5, 2008
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A Date with a View

A date with a view.

Hilltop Park - Signal Hill by Puckman2012, on Flickr

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No fair to poke fun at those who suffer from GAS... :) it is an addiction like all others but at least if you time it right, you have an asset to sell. I had the FDn 50mm 1.4. It was a lovely lens but the sniff of a profit made me sell it. Lovely DoF In your shot. A few folks have been shooting with a low angle of view and the shots are interesting. Really nice.

Poking fun? Far be it for me to do that.
I'm sitting here looking at my desk that currently holds a Canon 6D, 24-105, 16-35, 70-200, 100-400, a Fuji X100T, a Sony A7ii, a Canon FD 50/1.8 and a Vivitar 135/2.8 and I'm thinking I'd like a couple of smaller Voigtlander lenses...
So... :)
 

kallisti

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Apr 22, 2003
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Armenian genocide

A local Armenian church puts out crosses every year to commemorate the Armenian Genocide. I pass this church on my way to work every day.

For several years I've been photographing this subject, each year trying to change something.

For this year, I decided to shoot it in IR. I finally found a lens that is pretty sharp in IR and doesn't have any hotspots--the old Nikon 35mm f/2D.

The crosses are only about 2 feet tall. Set up my tripod to be just barely above the ground to get this perspective.

For this version I kept it in color but swapped the red and blue channels in PS.

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kenoh

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A date with a view.

[url=https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7585/17008086618_57abc2d315_b.jpg]Image[/url]Hilltop Park - Signal Hill by Puckman2012, on Flickr

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Poking fun? Far be it for me to do that.
I'm sitting here looking at my desk that currently holds a Canon 6D, 24-105, 16-35, 70-200, 100-400, a Fuji X100T, a Sony A7ii, a Canon FD 50/1.8 and a Vivitar 135/2.8 and I'm thinking I'd like a couple of smaller Voigtlander lenses...
So... :)

I miss my 100-400 EF :-(

A7 ii is the image stabilization good on the FD? I fancy an upgrade from my mk i...
 

MacRy

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Apr 2, 2004
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England
Photo of the day April 2015

I'm thinking I'd like a couple of smaller Voigtlander lenses...

So... :)


Oh god don't mention the Voigtlanders! I've spent most of the day trying to convince myself that I can afford a Nokton 50mm 1.5 for my Fuji XE1.....failing miserably and then looking at the 40mm 1.4 MC again instead. I've got a Heliar 15mm and it renders so beautifully that I feel that I really "need" another Voigtlander in my collection.
 

Apple fanboy

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Feb 21, 2012
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