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Hughmac

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The Sigma 150-600c makes a surprisingly good macro type of image also. ?
Yes I thought it would; great for bee and butterfly bothering from a distance.

Not so good as a walkaround lens though ;)

I took mine out today mounted on a D200, having resolved the soft focusing issues (or so I thought).
It was fine up to about an estimated 100 feet away; above that the camera was missing focus again, or am I expecting too much from the old D200?
I know it's not the lens so I'm going to go back to the same lakes again tomorrow but with the Z50.

Cheers :)

Hugh
 
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mollyc

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Yes I thought it would; great for bee and butterfly bothering from a distance.

Not so good as a walkaround lens though ;)

I took mine out today mounted on a D200, having resolved the soft focusing issues (or so I thought).
It was fine up to about an estimated 100 feet away; above that the camera was missing focus again, or am I expecting too much from the old D200?
I know it's not the lens so I'm going to go back to the same lakes again tomorrow but with the Z50.

Cheers :)

Hugh
It is heavy but I carried it on a two mile walk the other day ?
 
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Hughmac

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It is heavy but I carried it on a two mile walk the other day ?
The lakes I mentioned are about 2 miles away, but because we were getting shopping as well I took the car.
That's my excuse anyway ;)

Incidentally, I've been using Auto Area AF to focus on the Z 50; would single point be better for birding?
I'll try both tomorrow anyway.

Cheers :)

Hugh
 

mollyc

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The lakes I mentioned are about 2 miles away, but because we were getting shopping as well I took the car.
That's my excuse anyway ;)

Incidentally, I've been using Auto Area AF to focus on the Z 50; would single point be better for birding?
I'll try both tomorrow anyway.

Cheers :)

Hugh
I never like auto area AF. I stick to single point.
 

RogerWilco6502

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Micky Do

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So you all who are the pro birders. Do you just hang out a spot for awhile and wait patiently for birds to come by? Obviously you have to sort of plan where their habitat is. I’m not sure I’m patient enough to be a birder!! ????
Two factors for birds..... and sports, musicians, dancers and the like where there is movement possible, or happening.

One...... Know your equipment.

Sophisticated (and costly) cameras and lenses are nice to have, but you have to be prepared to learn to use them. It is also possible to get good results with simpler / cheaper equipment as long as you learn to work within its limitations.

Also, be prepared to spend computer time editing your photos. A bit of cropping and adjusting can turn something quite ordinary into something to be proud of. Again, you can use costly pro level apps like Photoshop, Lightroom and the like, or just stick with Photos that comes preloaded, at no extra cost on your Mac.

Being of humble means, I use a Fujifilm X20 (I am on to my second, which I picked up heavily discounted about 18 months ago) and Photos (which was a dreadful replacement for iPhoto when it first arrived on the scene, but has evolved into something worth using). I am using a 2017 MacBook Air at the moment, but am looking forward to setting up a Mac Mini, with a 22" monitor again when the situation arises.

I have occasionally snapped birds using the webcam on the Air, though getting something worth working with is rare. I don't have a smartphone, but folks do get some good shots on an iPhone these days.

Two...... Know your subject....... Anticipation is key.

Spend some time getting to know the behaviour of your subject. If it is birds, observe how they behave, and move. If it is a musician, check out their movements, and the moments they hesitate. If it is sport, learn the basic rules of the event, how it flows, and the movment of individual players.

Anticipate the moment when you are going to get a good shot. I learned this when hunting and spear-fishing. You only get one shot, so make it a good one! With photography, however, you have many more opportunities, so anticipate what could happen, take plenty of shots, and you will land up recording a few memorable moments...... but be prepared to delete plenty.

I'll take several hundred shots at a game of cricket, but will land up with just a few (catches, stumping, bowled etc) that are interesting enough to work with. When photographing birds I don't take so many shots, but still only land up with only a few keepers.

I generally just use single shot, with the camera set on "P", but having used manual cameras I have some idea of what the settings are. I set the focus with the shutter release half way down, and click when the moment is (or could be) right.

On occasion I'll go to more specific settings (ISO, shutter, aperture) depending on conditions or what I want to capture. Likewise with multi-shot, which I tend to use only when I do want a series of shots (to capture the action of a bowler, for instance).

Patience is fundamental, and experience is your teacher.
 
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mollyc

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Aug 18, 2016
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Two factors for birds..... and sports, musicians, dancers and the like where there is movement possible, or happening.

One...... Know your equipment.

Sophisticated (and costly) cameras and lenses are nice to have, but you have to be prepared to learn to use them. It is also possible to get good results with simpler / cheaper equipment as long as you learn to work within its limitations.

Also, be prepared to spend computer time editing your photos. A bit of cropping and adjusting can turn something quite ordinary into something to be proud of. Again, you can use costly pro level apps like Photoshop, Lightroom and the like, or just stick with Photos that comes preloaded, at no extra cost on your Mac.

Being of humble means, I use a Fujifilm X20 (I am on to my second, which I picked up heavily discounted about 18 months ago) and Photos (which was a dreadful replacement for iPhoto when it first arrived on the scene, but has evolved into something worth using). I am using a 2017 MacBook Air at the moment, but am looking forward to setting up a Mac Mini, with a 22" monitor again when the situation arises.

I have occasionally snapped birds using the webcam on the Air, though getting something worth working with is rare. I don't have a smartphone, but folks do get some good shots on an iPhone these days.

Two...... Know your subject....... Anticipation is key.

Spend some time getting to know the behaviour of your subject. If it is birds, observe how they behave, and move. If it is a musician, check out their movements, and the moments they hesitate. If it is sport, learn the basic rules of the event, how it flows, and the movment of individual players.

Anticipate the moment when you are going to get a good shot. I learned this when hunting and super-fishing. You only get one shot, so make it a good one! With photography, however, you have many more opportunities, so anticipate what could happen, take plenty of shots, and you will land up recording a few memorable moments...... but be prepared to delete plenty.

I'll take several hundred shots at a game of cricket, but will land up with just a few (catches, stumping, bowled etc) that are interesting enough to work with. When photographing birds I don't take so many shots, but still only land up with only a few keepers.

I generally just use single shot, with the camera set on "P", but having used manual cameras I have some idea of what the settings are. I set the focus with the shutter release half way down, and click when the moment is (or could be) right.

On occasion I'll go to more specific settings (ISO, shutter, aperture) depending on conditions or what I want to capture. Likewise with multi-shot, which I tend to use only when I do want a series of shots (to capture the action of a bowler, for instance).

Patience is fundamental, and experience is your teacher.
I’ve got gear, shooting, and editing down. I know my equipment and how to use it. And I’m a fairly good photographer. ?

Just new to the bird genre. ?
 

Micky Do

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...... so we played @ Rarangi Beach, near Blenheim, NZ

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Fujifilm X20: ISO 100, f 6.4 @ 1/800 sec
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I’ve got gear, shooting, and editing down. I know my equipment and how to use it. And I’m a fairly good photographer. ?

Just new to the bird genre. ?
So..... get to know your subject.... be patient, and prepared to learn how to use your equipment to enter a new field of photography.
 
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Darmok N Jalad

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Sep 26, 2017
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In regards to shooting birds, I’m also not a pro, but I do enjoy the hunt, as they say. One advantage comes from having a good local area, with mature trees, dense shrubs, and open space. Many animals like the “edge” of wooded areas, as it maximizes their ability to find food, hide from predators, and build shelter for nesting. A double bonus for me, I live in a part of the country where migration routes cross. Just today, we saw a grosbeak—I’d never seen one before. So much of it does come down to “right place, right time,“ but a big dose of it is just plain observation. Many of these birds have been here all along, we just never paid them any attention!

It is key to feed year round, and don’t let the sparrows and squirrels discourage you when they clean you out. They are messy eaters, which just benefits the species of birds that like to feed from the ground anyway. :)

Other than that, no sudden movements, have a long lens, and watch your ISO so you can keep shutter speed up. I used to lean on animal detect, but single point + CAF is doing a little better most of the time. Make a list of the birds you grab—it adds to the adventure. We’re up to 36 now after 1.5 years in this home.
 

r.harris1

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Feb 20, 2012
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Denver, Colorado, USA
So you all who are the pro birders. Do you just hang out a spot for awhile and wait patiently for birds to come by? Obviously you have to sort of plan where their habitat is. I’m not sure I’m patient enough to be a birder!! ????

Far from being a pro, and lots of great advice so far, but start to listen for them. When you do, you’ll start to see them too. This is a great time of year, with the “dawn chorus” of all of the breeding birds. Here at our home in Denver, the first bird we hear in the morning is the American Robin. Sometimes as early as 3:30 or so. During the day we hear Starlings, Chickadees, Northern Flickers, Bushtits, House Finches, and on it goes. Look up. You may see Red-tailed Hawks soaring above, or Turkey Vultures. Go near water - tons of birds. Go put that new Sigma to good use :).
 

Darmok N Jalad

macrumors 603
Sep 26, 2017
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Far from being a pro, and lots of great advice so far, but start to listen for them. When you do, you’ll start to see them too. This is a great time of year, with the “dawn chorus” of all of the breeding birds. Here at our home in Denver, the first bird we hear in the morning is the American Robin. Sometimes as early as 3:30 or so. During the day we hear Starlings, Chickadees, Northern Flickers, Bushtits, House Finches, and on it goes. Look up. You may see Red-tailed Hawks soaring above, or Turkey Vultures. Go near water - tons of birds. Go put that new Sigma to good use :).
Haha, we had a northern flicker drilling on our metal fireplace flue cap a couple weeks ago. It literally sounded like a jackhammer in our living room. Poor fella was hard up, chirping all week long. I hope he found was he was looking for!
 

keyrex

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Apr 16, 2012
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Not sure if I have posted this before it was taken a while ago, but ....
Long Tailed Tit, this little guy was perched less than a metre from me and sat patiently waiting for me to take my shot. I had 100mm Macro lens on at the time - anything longer and I wouldn't have been able to get the shot, he would've been too close! I was like a kid in a sweet shop when he landed next to me.
long tailed tit.jpg

It's amazing what you can get into the garden if you put out the right food and water but also it is important to position the feeders correctly. Little birds like to 'hide' in nearby trees and bushes before venturing down for food but once they get used to you they become quite brave, especially the Robin, who is very friendly, my neighbours must think i am mad becuase I regularly talk to the Robin ? You might like to know it hasn't spoken back to me, yet!
 

Apple fanboy

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Feb 21, 2012
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Not sure if I have posted this before it was taken a while ago, but ....
Long Tailed Tit, this little guy was perched less than a metre from me and sat patiently waiting for me to take my shot. I had 100mm Macro lens on at the time - anything longer and I wouldn't have been able to get the shot, he would've been too close! I was like a kid in a sweet shop when he landed next to me.
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It's amazing what you can get into the garden if you put out the right food and water but also it is important to position the feeders correctly. Little birds like to 'hide' in nearby trees and bushes before venturing down for food but once they get used to you they become quite brave, especially the Robin, who is very friendly, my neighbours must think i am mad becuase I regularly talk to the Robin ? You might like to know it hasn't spoken back to me, yet!
How rude! My Robin talks to me all the time! :eek:
 

r.harris1

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Feb 20, 2012
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Haha, we had a northern flicker drilling on our metal fireplace flue cap a couple weeks ago. It literally sounded like a jackhammer in our living room. Poor fella was hard up, chirping all week long. I hope he found was he was looking for!

We get the same thing! They're pretty funny (unless you are trying to sleep :) ). Another favorite spot is our neighbor's satellite dish.
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Not sure if I have posted this before it was taken a while ago, but ....
Long Tailed Tit, this little guy was perched less than a metre from me and sat patiently waiting for me to take my shot. I had 100mm Macro lens on at the time - anything longer and I wouldn't have been able to get the shot, he would've been too close! I was like a kid in a sweet shop when he landed next to me.
View attachment 915289
It's amazing what you can get into the garden if you put out the right food and water but also it is important to position the feeders correctly. Little birds like to 'hide' in nearby trees and bushes before venturing down for food but once they get used to you they become quite brave, especially the Robin, who is very friendly, my neighbours must think i am mad becuase I regularly talk to the Robin ? You might like to know it hasn't spoken back to me, yet!

That's a great image! Bushtits and the Mountain & Black-capped Chickadees are similarly brave around our home. And also similarly, our neighbors are quite sure we're completely insane, what with the conversations we have with our visitors :).
 
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RogerWilco6502

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Haha, we had a northern flicker drilling on our metal fireplace flue cap a couple weeks ago. It literally sounded like a jackhammer in our living room. Poor fella was hard up, chirping all week long. I hope he found was he was looking for!
The flicker drilling into the metal components of the chimney assembly is a standby for spring/summer for us. It's shocking when you first hear it for the season, but then you get used to it :p
 
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