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puma1552

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I haven't looked that deep into them. I wouldn't get one for their handling abilities though. For straightaway drag racing the power is very good but I'm a twisty mountain run guy so I prefer the 370z, not as many horsies but much much better handling than the stang

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For me every 'stang == meh. I've just never cared about straight line speed. On a road course the straight is just the boring part between the good bits. :)

Please drop the old, very outdated thinking that American muscle cars don't handle. They can and have been able to for nearly 30 years now.

Unless you can beat an M3, you can't beat a new Stang either:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4

I wouldn't exactly call 370Zs rare, either.:confused:

BTW RaceTripper, the Stang does that with a crusty old solid rear axle, not the IRS that the BMW has. He also notes that the Stang has more torque without winding itself way out like the BMW which winds out but just doesn't have the pull, the Stang feels more balanced (not much you can do about that on the M3), and the BMW has better shocks (meaning a simple shock swap--which anyone serious would do, probably as the very first mod--would put the Mustang ahead of the BMW alone). Considering the Americans can get this kind of performance out of a $30k car with a live axle, it doesn't say much for the BMW IMO.

It gets so, so old listening to import guys who've never so much as sat behind the wheel of an American RWD car bash American cars year-in, year-out for not being able to handle when they've clearly been able to do so for the last 3 decades. They've also gotten 25 mpg+ for the last three decades as well. I see this all the time, but nobody can ever site a source for why they are so sure American cars suck at handling.
 
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In your last post you said the Z had "much better" handling than the Mustang, now you say they are close? It's one or the other, but not both. Pick one and stick with it.

Preference is preference, and that's fine, we each have our own, but don't go around speaking false truths. The American cars are no worse off than the Japanese or German cars in handling, nor have they been for some time.

I see it alot, guys running imports saying that the American cars can't handle and don't have "proper" rear suspensions :rolleyes: , when evidence out there proves otherwise. Showing a link showing a mere .03 G discrepancy doesn't really help the case that American cars handle so poorly, especially when you consider that they are doing it on crusty live rear axles with 3600-4000 lb curb weights.

It's a good time to be buying a new car; all the cars out there have comparable handling, so it's really time to finally drop the outdated thinking. I don't want to turn this into another endless pissing match, so let's just leave it at that.
 

RaceTripper

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Please drop the old, very outdated thinking that American muscle cars don't handle. They can and have been able to for nearly 30 years now.

Unless you can beat an M3, you can't beat a new Stang either:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4

I wouldn't exactly call 370Zs rare, either.:confused:

BTW RaceTripper, the Stang does that with a crusty old solid rear axle, not the IRS that the BMW has. He also notes that the Stang has more torque without winding itself way out like the BMW which winds out but just doesn't have the pull, the Stang feels more balanced (not much you can do about that on the M3), and the BMW has better shocks (meaning a simple shock swap--which anyone serious would do, probably as the very first mod--would put the Mustang ahead of the BMW alone). Considering the Americans can get this kind of performance out of a $30k car with a live axle, it doesn't say much for the BMW IMO.

It gets so, so old listening to import guys who've never so much as sat behind the wheel of an American RWD car bash American cars year-in, year-out for not being able to handle when they've clearly been able to do so for the last 3 decades. They've also gotten 25 mpg+ for the last three decades as well. I see this all the time, but nobody can ever site a source for why they are so sure American cars suck at handling.

Whatever, even if the Mustang is a great handling car...I still think it's a "meh" car. You can argue its merits 'till blue in the face, but I still won't like it. You can name any one of them in the line, and for the money there will always be other cars I'd rather have.
 

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^^^And that's perfectly fine, just don't insinuate that they can't handle or are only capable of straight line speed, etc. when it's simply not the case.
 

TheGenerous

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I'm an Austronaut
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I Love My Mac

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Loving the Evo I always wanted one.

The whole American and import discussion is old all together as a car enthusiast I prefer imports but I also respect American cars. Each car is built for a purpose whether it's for the street or for the track (1/4 mile beast or auto x/circuit). It's so hard for people to see a muscle car as a track car that can handle because most of the time they are shown just eating up the 1/4 going in a straight line. Maybe they are changing things up a bit as of lately.

I guess it all comes down to preference an what your wants an needs are from your automobile.
 

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einmusiker

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^^^And that's perfectly fine, just don't insinuate that they can't handle or are only capable of straight line speed, etc. when it's simply not the case.

nobody is insinuating the mustang can't handle, we're just saying it's built better for straightaway speed than for twistys and that there are an abundance of stangs on the road in the US.

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the Boss 302 is a completely different beast now thats a mustang I'd love to drive
 

TheNewDude

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Just got mine... Still too cold though to have fun right now.
 

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ryannel2003

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Ok I knew it was somewhere in the general vicinity but I wasn't sure exactly where. Nice looking Liberty btw. My buddy has a green 2005 Renegade and surprisingly it drives pretty good.
 

chordate68

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I tried resurrecting the Mustang yesterday and really didn't have any luck. It turned over when I jumped it with the truck, but it died when I took the cables off. It sounded great when it was running.

The Silverado is my daily. It's great that I only live a few miles from work with gas as high as it is.
 

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