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yg17

macrumors Pentium
Aug 1, 2004
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Those 3 series sedans got a much needed facelift and look a little nicer than the Kia-esque rear they had before, but BMW's pricing has gotten absolutely asinine.

Want a 328i? Start at $35k, pay another $2k-$2500 for one of the "line" models, then pay a ridiculous $3,600 for the premium package, $1,450 for leather, $1,350 for the cold weather package, $950 for a good stereo, and they even pour salt in the wound by making you shell out $900 for Xenons that cars half the price have standard. Or, if you go the non-package route, the moonroof is $1,050, the heated front seats are $500, power seats are $995 (that's just an insult to the consumer to shell out a grand for power seats on an already $40k car), and the stereo will still set you back $950 and the Xenons still will cost you $900. Leather still comes in at $1,450, ouch.

As a final kick in the pants, they'll insult you to the tune of $475 for a freaking fold down rear seat. Incredible.

So I don't get any of that stuff standard on a $35k car, nor on the "Modern" line I paid another $2k for. Instead they tell me about how for $2k extra I get a color-accented key-fob among my other piddly upgrades. So what am I paying $40k for if I don't even get Xenons, leather, or a moonroof on a "luxury" car?

Sorry, but while I've had an E30 and an E36 myself, I have to say BMW has just gotten out of hand with their pricing. Nothing is included, and every option/package has way unrealistic prices. I can't stomach $3,600 for a "premium" package to give me things that should be standard on that level of car.

And to think, this is a 328i, not even a 335i. It wouldn't surprise me if those top out somewhere close to $60k.

It's like they just milk the brand name for all it's worth these days. And what's with all of a sudden charging $550 for metallic paint? I can understand paying more for a tri-coat, but paying an extra $550 for simple metallic paint that's been around for decades? Christ almighty, the only colors that are free now are black and white.

I agree. In my head, I've always kept a list of cars that I'd look at first if I had to buy a new car tomorrow (never a bad idea to keep such a list in mind since you never know what will happen) and the current pricing for the 3 series has pretty much knocked it off the list.

I remember back in my senior year of college, I had planned on getting a 3 series when I got a job and made a decent living. I remember being able to configure one fully loaded with damn near every option for the mid 30s. Now it would be close to 50. Of course, after graduation, reality hit and I had to get my priorities straight, so instead I bought a Golf GTI, which I absolutely love and adore. And it has xenons standard ;)
 

Sylon

macrumors 68020
Feb 26, 2012
2,032
80
Michigan/Ohio, USA
Everybody that goes for a BMW, goes for the 3 series. And the fact that everyone has a 3 series was one of the reasons I went with the 1 series. Not only was it less expensive, but its faster, lighter, and a lot less common than the 3 series. I hate driving the same thing everyone else is. I could have bought a 328i (E9x), but I wanted the much faster and more fun 135i (E82). And frankly, it's the best car I've ever owned. I love it.
 

alphaod

macrumors Core
Feb 9, 2008
22,183
1,245
NYC

Nice!

I'm currently looking to test drive one of those once I get back to the States.

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Almost forgot~

My X5
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gngan

macrumors 68000
Jan 1, 2009
1,829
72
MacWorld
Here's my 2008 Suzuki Swift Sport and 2008 Yamaha R6.
 

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Cliff3

macrumors 68000
Nov 2, 2007
1,556
180
SF Bay Area
My M3 shadowline window trim was installed today, so a couple of quick garage shots. ZHP back bumper and M3 rockers are next.
 

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neiltc13

macrumors 68040
May 27, 2006
3,128
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Those 3 series sedans got a much needed facelift and look a little nicer than the Kia-esque rear they had before, but BMW's pricing has gotten absolutely asinine.

Want a 328i? Start at $35k, pay another $2k-$2500 for one of the "line" models, then pay a ridiculous $3,600 for the premium package, $1,450 for leather, $1,350 for the cold weather package, $950 for a good stereo, and they even pour salt in the wound by making you shell out $900 for Xenons that cars half the price have standard. Or, if you go the non-package route, the moonroof is $1,050, the heated front seats are $500, power seats are $995 (that's just an insult to the consumer to shell out a grand for power seats on an already $40k car), and the stereo will still set you back $950 and the Xenons still will cost you $900. Leather still comes in at $1,450, ouch.

As a final kick in the pants, they'll insult you to the tune of $475 for a freaking fold down rear seat. Incredible.

So I don't get any of that stuff standard on a $35k car, nor on the "Modern" line I paid another $2k for. Instead they tell me about how for $2k extra I get a color-accented key-fob among my other piddly upgrades. So what am I paying $40k for if I don't even get Xenons, leather, or a moonroof on a "luxury" car?

Sorry, but while I've had an E30 and an E36 myself, I have to say BMW has just gotten out of hand with their pricing. Nothing is included, and every option/package has way unrealistic prices. I can't stomach $3,600 for a "premium" package to give me things that should be standard on that level of car.

And to think, this is a 328i, not even a 335i. It wouldn't surprise me if those top out somewhere close to $60k.

It's like they just milk the brand name for all it's worth these days. And what's with all of a sudden charging $550 for metallic paint? I can understand paying more for a tri-coat, but paying an extra $550 for simple metallic paint that's been around for decades? Christ almighty, the only colors that are free now are black and white.

Why get 328i? What is wrong with 316d or 320i?
 

SuperJudge

macrumors 6502
Apr 2, 2008
449
5
The Triangle, NC
A BMW with less than 200 horsepower just wouldn't work in the US, I'm afraid.

QFT.

That's kind of a shame in my book since I would be all over a 316d. A torquey engine like that in a Bimmer chassis would be fun as hell on the backroads where I live. I wish that American drivers as a whole could grasp that torque is generally more important in daily driving (and fun driving!) than power.
 

Hisdem

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Jul 3, 2010
772
49
South Florida
QFT.

That's kind of a shame in my book since I would be all over a 316d. A torquey engine like that in a Bimmer chassis would be fun as hell on the backroads where I live. I wish that American drivers as a whole could grasp that torque is generally more important in daily driving (and fun driving!) than power.

Oh I agree. In daily driving, it's much more useful. We don't get the diesels here though. The small gasoline engines though, don't appeal to me at all (by small I mean the 318i, 316i...)
 

SuperJudge

macrumors 6502
Apr 2, 2008
449
5
The Triangle, NC
Oh I agree. In daily driving, it's much more useful. We don't get the diesels here though. The small gasoline engines though, don't appeal to me at all (by small I mean the 318i, 316i...)

I think we're on the same page. Small gasoline engines don't do it for me, either. I still can't figure why diesels aren't more popular in the US. Oh, well.
 

Hisdem

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Jul 3, 2010
772
49
South Florida
I think we're on the same page. Small gasoline engines don't do it for me, either. I still can't figure why diesels aren't more popular in the US. Oh, well.

I'm not sure this is even a reason, but when I was in Florida in January, I noticed diesel prices are not really different from gas prices. Here and in the EU, diesel tends to be much cheaper, hence their popularity in Europe (they're not allowed to be sold here). ;)
 

einmusiker

macrumors 68040
Apr 26, 2010
3,001
355
Location: Location: Location:
Diesel engines used to have a foul odor, were hard to start in the winter and were less reliable. Thats why they arent popular in the is because people have that negative image of them (no longer the case as dielsel engines have improved significantly)

In the us diesel is more expensive than gasoline but it gives the car much better gas milage so it ends up being much cheaper to run a diesel vehicle.
 

Sylon

macrumors 68020
Feb 26, 2012
2,032
80
Michigan/Ohio, USA
Diesel engines used to have a foul odor, were hard to start in the winter and were less reliable. Thats why they arent popular in the is because people have that negative image of them (no longer the case as dielsel engines have improved significantly)

In the us diesel is more expensive than gasoline but it gives the car much better gas milage so it ends up being much cheaper to run a diesel vehicle.


I think that negative image will change soon. BMW has been trying with their commercials, Fiat is coming out with a diesel Cherokee soon from what I hear. The European companies are trying to get us past the sigma that diesel has had on itself, as diesel is so popular over there.

I've always looked at diesel cars as slow, noisy and miserable. But I've driven a few newer diesel cars while I was in Europe and I was surprised at a couple of them. The VW Polo Estate was a joy to drive, got insane MPG, and was actually somewhat sporty. The Mercedes C-class I had was a little noisier, not as sporty in talks of handling, but my god that thing flew! Cruising on the Autobahn in that, 125mph felt like 80mph. And with BMW's new 3-series and 5-series diesels, many reviewers are praising them for how great they are.

Maybe they can find a place in the US. I'd rather have a gasoline car over a diesel, but I would rather have a diesel over a damn electric car.
 

Cliff3

macrumors 68000
Nov 2, 2007
1,556
180
SF Bay Area
QFT.

That's kind of a shame in my book since I would be all over a 316d. A torquey engine like that in a Bimmer chassis would be fun as hell on the backroads where I live. I wish that American drivers as a whole could grasp that torque is generally more important in daily driving (and fun driving!) than power.

A 2.0 liter turbo diesel like the one found in the 123d would be ideal. 204 hp, 300 lb ft of torque, and 46 mpg composite mileage (and 55 on the highway). And like most turbocharged engines, I bet you can chip it for extra fun. Sign me up.
 

neiltc13

macrumors 68040
May 27, 2006
3,128
28
Speaking of engines and that picture of a VW Beetle above, I was shocked to find out that this car's entry level engine is 2.5L in the USA :eek:

The European car comes with a 1.4TSI.
 
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